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October 07, 2018, 12:48:59 AM
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Show me proof of this curve you believe in so much.

Do you have a rudimentary understanding of astrophysics ?

I'm talking just the basics. F=Ma type stuff ? Basic knowledge gravitational effects on space/time. Etc ?

Can you please show some empirical proof of the gravitational effects on space/time.  I would be very interested in your demonstration of this.  I would love to see a working example of this.  

If you can make a large object attract a small object as the Newtonian model suggests I would love to see this demonstrated as well.  I think the last time it took place was in the 1790's in Mr. Cavendish's shed.  Unfortunately he was the only one who saw it.

Hopefully with you apparent high education you can all show us this.  You will also be rewarded handsomely by the science community as well due to the fact they are having a bit of trouble showing a display of any of this.  

Do you know this science your speaking of or is it a belief?

Very excited to see your demonstrations.  Extra credit if you can do it without insults.
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October 07, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
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Show me proof of this curve you believe in so much.

Do you have a rudimentary understanding of astrophysics ?

I'm talking just the basics. F=Ma type stuff ? Basic knowledge gravitational effects on space/time. Etc ?

Can you please show some empirical proof of the gravitational effects on space/time.  I would be very interested in your demonstration of this.  I would love to see a working example of this.  

If you can make a large object attract a small object as the Newtonian model suggests I would love to see this demonstrated as well.  I think the last time it took place was in the 1790's in Mr. Cavendish's shed.  Unfortunately he was the only one who saw it.

Hopefully with you apparent high education you can all show us this.  You will also be rewarded handsomely by the science community as well due to the fact they are having a bit of trouble showing a display of any of this.  

Do you know this science your speaking of or is it a belief?

Very excited to see your demonstrations.  Extra credit if you can do it without insults.


Two things I can think of are:
1. At the poles it has been proven that things are slightly heavier than at the equator. One might think that the equatorial bulge would make for more material at the equator (the diameter is larger at the equator), and more weight because of this, but it seems that the difference and distance is offset by the centrifugal force at the equator... and so much so that things at the poles weigh slightly more than the equator;
2. A very sensitive spring balance scale shows that things weigh less when taken into a tunnel under the middle of a tall mountain. This is because the gravitational force of the mountain above, offsets some of the gravitational force of the earth below.

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October 07, 2018, 01:24:36 AM
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Folks, I'm asking the simplest, most basic and least complex physical question possible. After 50 pages of discussing the Lorentz contraction, its reasoning, proofs and feasibility it becomes obvious it's an artifact of the provably false model that special relativity describes. Why engage in pilpul wandering off into complex mathematical equations that have no basis in reality when you can answer this one simple (two-part) question:

   If the Moon is a sphere illuminated by the Sun, why is it missing shading around the edges and a hot spot in the middle?
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October 07, 2018, 01:28:36 AM
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Can you please show some empirical proof of the gravitational effects on space/time.  I would be very interested in your demonstration of this.  I would love to see a working example of this.  

Do you understand how our moon affects tides here on Earth ?
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October 07, 2018, 01:42:19 AM
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Can you please show some empirical proof of the gravitational effects on space/time.  I would be very interested in your demonstration of this.  I would love to see a working example of this.  

Do you understand how our moon affects tides here on Earth ?

I know what the science book says.

My question to you is simply this.  Prove it is the moon causing it the tides here on earth.  Use the scientific method if you don't mind. 

We all know what the science book says.  What we are asking for is you to prove it to us. 

Show me gravity.  Prove it.  You will do something that the top scientists cannot do.

Do you have beliefs or facts?
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October 07, 2018, 01:42:48 AM
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Show me proof of this curve you believe in so much.

Do you have a rudimentary understanding of astrophysics ?

I'm talking just the basics. F=Ma type stuff ? Basic knowledge gravitational effects on space/time. Etc ?

Can you please show some empirical proof of the gravitational effects on space/time.  I would be very interested in your demonstration of this.  I would love to see a working example of this.  

If you can make a large object attract a small object as the Newtonian model suggests I would love to see this demonstrated as well.  I think the last time it took place was in the 1790's in Mr. Cavendish's shed.  Unfortunately he was the only one who saw it.

Hopefully with you apparent high education you can all show us this.  You will also be rewarded handsomely by the science community as well due to the fact they are having a bit of trouble showing a display of any of this.  

Do you know this science your speaking of or is it a belief?

Very excited to see your demonstrations.  Extra credit if you can do it without insults.


Two things I can think of are:
1. At the poles it has been proven that things are slightly heavier than at the equator. One might think that the equatorial bulge would make for more material at the equator (the diameter is larger at the equator), and more weight because of this, but it seems that the difference and distance is offset by the centrifugal force at the equator... and so much so that things at the poles weigh slightly more than the equator;
2. A very sensitive spring balance scale shows that things weigh less when taken into a tunnel under the middle of a tall mountain. This is because the gravitational force of the mountain above, offsets some of the gravitational force of the earth below.

Cool

Thanks for your polite response.   It's appreciated.

#1 Have you personally been to the true north and south pole?   All my research indicates there is a military blockade and no true independent exploration or experimentation can be done.   Can you practically demonstrate, from the poles (which I don't think the two sides agree upon anyways) your experiment?   Who proved it?   How was the experiment done?   Do you simply believe these results that were given to you?   I think this is the fundamental issue the two sides are having.   I'm a practical person.   I want to see it and do the experiment for myself.   Not be told.   If you choose to believe the finding you were given that fine but know all you have is a belief.   I think the flat earthers want proof and everything that they can prove for themselves is showing flat earth.   Hence the debate.

#2 Assuming I take the spring scale example at face value as I have not done this experiment, how do you know it was gravity which caused your results and not something else.   Most in this thread do not believe in gravity so that claim must be proven.   Can you prove to us gravity is the cause of your findings?   How did you rule out all other factors?

Once again I'm not attempting to be argumentative but we are 600 pages in.   We need proof, not stories about experiments none of us have ever seen, done or can verify.   It sounds like all that is happening is your preaching the science you were given.   It's understandable given that if you repeat it well enough you get A's in school and get a nice job!   
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October 07, 2018, 02:14:15 AM
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Globe Earth requires globe Moon, prove the globe by explaining how the Moon is evenly lit! Explain in detail how the fact there's no shading around the edges or a hot spot in the middle proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the Moon is a sphere lit by the Sun.

Use science, you can do it!
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October 07, 2018, 02:20:01 AM
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Show me gravity.  Prove it.  You will do something that the top scientists cannot do.
Do you have beliefs or facts?

Do you understand why an apple falls from a tree and hits the ground ?

Why we don't just float off the firmament ?

It's because Holy Space Turtle has lots of mass, and we are attracted to his thicc shell, yo.
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October 07, 2018, 02:40:12 AM
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And yet you believe that you live on a spinning ball, although we can not see, observe or measure any curvature at all. And that is moronic  Grin
No curvature equals no ball, comprende amigo?
3D, just make sure that you will not die once atheist, because living in the lake of fire for all eternity really isn't profitable. Make sure to invest in profitable future.
Are you a fucking moron or what? Of course it's been observed and measured. Do some real research.
I'd link some sites to show you but won't waste my time because you will just come up with some retarded rebuttal about nasa hoaxes or what have you.
Jeezus christ dude, fucking educate yourself and get off this ridiculous thread.
(or just keep posting moronic hilarious pics, IDFC)
Unless you are just obsessively trolling for past 3 years or whatever, (distinct possibility)
I feel sorry for you and your sheer ignorance.
Now go pray to your magic invisible sky fairy that I burn in imaginary hell...

....Hey btw, is hell shaped like a pancake too...a really hot one?.. like floating below the earth pancake?

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October 07, 2018, 02:41:12 AM
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Show me gravity.  Prove it.  You will do something that the top scientists cannot do.
Do you have beliefs or facts?

Do you understand why an apple falls from a tree and hits the ground ?

Why we don't just float off the firmament ?

It's because Holy Space Turtle has lots of mass, and we are attracted to his thicc shell, yo.

Nothing but insults.  This from Mr. do you know astrophysics.  What a joke. 

Great proofs by the way! 

We know how things fall but we don't know why they fall.    Show us your proof if you have any.

We will be waiting for your proofs or more insults. 
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October 07, 2018, 02:42:38 AM
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And yet you believe that you live on a spinning ball, although we can not see, observe or measure any curvature at all. And that is moronic  Grin
No curvature equals no ball, comprende amigo?
3D, just make sure that you will not die once atheist, because living in the lake of fire for all eternity really isn't profitable. Make sure to invest in profitable future.
Are you a fucking moron or what? Of course it's been observed and measured. Do some real research.
I'd link some sites to show you but won't waste my time because you will just come up with some retarded rebuttal about nasa hoaxes or what have you.
Jeezus christ dude, fucking educate yourself and get off this ridiculous thread.
(or just keep posting moronic hilarious pics, IDFC)
Unless you are just obsessively trolling for past 3 years or whatever, (distinct possibility)
I feel sorry for you and your sheer ignorance.
Now go pray to your magic invisible sky fairy that I burn in imaginary hell...

....Hey btw, is hell shaped like a pancake too...a really hot one?.. like floating below the earth pancake?


Nice one Exemplaar.  You got this one triggered. 
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October 07, 2018, 03:19:32 AM
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Two things I can think of are:
1. At the poles it has been proven that things are slightly heavier than at the equator. One might think that the equatorial bulge would make for more material at the equator (the diameter is larger at the equator), and more weight because of this, but it seems that the difference and distance is offset by the centrifugal force at the equator... and so much so that things at the poles weigh slightly more than the equator;
2. A very sensitive spring balance scale shows that things weigh less when taken into a tunnel under the middle of a tall mountain. This is because the gravitational force of the mountain above, offsets some of the gravitational force of the earth below.

Cool

Thanks for your polite response.   It's appreciated.

#1 Have you personally been to the true north and south pole?   All my research indicates there is a military blockade and no true independent exploration or experimentation can be done.   Can you practically demonstrate, from the poles (which I don't think the two sides agree upon anyways) your experiment?   Who proved it?   How was the experiment done?   Do you simply believe these results that were given to you?   I think this is the fundamental issue the two sides are having.   I'm a practical person.   I want to see it and do the experiment for myself.   Not be told.   If you choose to believe the finding you were given that fine but know all you have is a belief.   I think the flat earthers want proof and everything that they can prove for themselves is showing flat earth.   Hence the debate.

#2 Assuming I take the spring scale example at face value as I have not done this experiment, how do you know it was gravity which caused your results and not something else.   Most in this thread do not believe in gravity so that claim must be proven.   Can you prove to us gravity is the cause of your findings?   How did you rule out all other factors?

Once again I'm not attempting to be argumentative but we are 600 pages in.   We need proof, not stories about experiments none of us have ever seen, done or can verify.   It sounds like all that is happening is your preaching the science you were given.   It's understandable given that if you repeat it well enough you get A's in school and get a nice job!   

Sorry, I'm not into this deeply enough to be able to show the proof. The best I can do is direct you to what others say. Google "weight difference between equator and poles."

As for the gravitational pull of the mass of a mountain, you might Google "gravitational force of a mountain."

Cool

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October 07, 2018, 03:26:38 AM
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Army's however navigate using proper world map without distortion like this:

You're not seriously suggesting that Greenland is about as big as South America? Every flat map is distorted.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd tells you how big Greenland is.
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Mercator's is, Gleason's is but Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM)  or MGRS (NATO's system) is not. You can not stack if it is distorted.


You can see the distortion on Mercators map


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October 07, 2018, 03:27:29 AM
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Two things I can think of are:
1. At the poles it has been proven that things are slightly heavier than at the equator. One might think that the equatorial bulge would make for more material at the equator (the diameter is larger at the equator), and more weight because of this, but it seems that the difference and distance is offset by the centrifugal force at the equator... and so much so that things at the poles weigh slightly more than the equator;
2. A very sensitive spring balance scale shows that things weigh less when taken into a tunnel under the middle of a tall mountain. This is because the gravitational force of the mountain above, offsets some of the gravitational force of the earth below.

Cool

Thanks for your polite response.   It's appreciated.

#1 Have you personally been to the true north and south pole?   All my research indicates there is a military blockade and no true independent exploration or experimentation can be done.   Can you practically demonstrate, from the poles (which I don't think the two sides agree upon anyways) your experiment?   Who proved it?   How was the experiment done?   Do you simply believe these results that were given to you?   I think this is the fundamental issue the two sides are having.   I'm a practical person.   I want to see it and do the experiment for myself.   Not be told.   If you choose to believe the finding you were given that fine but know all you have is a belief.   I think the flat earthers want proof and everything that they can prove for themselves is showing flat earth.   Hence the debate.

#2 Assuming I take the spring scale example at face value as I have not done this experiment, how do you know it was gravity which caused your results and not something else.   Most in this thread do not believe in gravity so that claim must be proven.   Can you prove to us gravity is the cause of your findings?   How did you rule out all other factors?

Once again I'm not attempting to be argumentative but we are 600 pages in.   We need proof, not stories about experiments none of us have ever seen, done or can verify.   It sounds like all that is happening is your preaching the science you were given.   It's understandable given that if you repeat it well enough you get A's in school and get a nice job!   

Sorry, I'm not into this deeply enough to be able to show the proof. The best I can do is direct you to what others say. Google "weight difference between equator and poles."

As for the gravitational pull of the mass of a mountain, you might Google "gravitational force of a mountain."

Cool

10-4.  I respect your response. 
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And yet you believe that you live on a spinning ball, although we can not see, observe or measure any curvature at all. And that is moronic  Grin
No curvature equals no ball, comprende amigo?
3D, just make sure that you will not die once atheist, because living in the lake of fire for all eternity really isn't profitable. Make sure to invest in profitable future.
Are you a fucking moron or what? Of course it's been observed and measured. Do some real research.
I'd link some sites to show you but won't waste my time because you will just come up with some retarded rebuttal about nasa hoaxes or what have you.
Jeezus christ dude, fucking educate yourself and get off this ridiculous thread.
(or just keep posting moronic hilarious pics, IDFC)
Unless you are just obsessively trolling for past 3 years or whatever, (distinct possibility)
I feel sorry for you and your sheer ignorance.
Now go pray to your magic invisible sky fairy that I burn in imaginary hell...

....Hey btw, is hell shaped like a pancake too...a really hot one?.. like floating below the earth pancake?


Nice one Exemplaar.  You got this one triggered.  


Too right. I love being triggered by delusional twats on this thread my friend. Its entertaining, how about you?

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October 07, 2018, 04:17:30 AM
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All my research indicates there is a military blockade 

So you're blindly trusting this but not actual science? Is there a youtube video of the blockade?

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October 07, 2018, 04:53:01 AM
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BADecker, surely you of all people can answer this riddle:

   If the Moon is a sphere illuminated by the Sun, why is it missing shading around the edges and a hot spot in the middle?



Show me gravity.  Prove it.  You will do something that the top scientists cannot do.
Do you have beliefs or facts?

Do you understand why an apple falls from a tree and hits the ground ?

Why we don't just float off the firmament ?

It's because Holy Space Turtle has lots of mass, and we are attracted to his thicc shell, yo.

This is leaps and bounds closer to the truth than a globe spinning a thousand miles an hour with a pressurized atmosphere in a hard vacuum rocketing through space at over 0.2% the speed of light in a vacuum. Do you have any concept of how much energy a 6.669 sextillion ton sphere traveling at 388.5 miles per second relative to the so-called cosmic microwave background would have? If a spec of dust got in the way the resulting explosion would destroy half the known universe!
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This is leaps and bounds closer to the truth than a globe spinning a thousand miles an hour with a pressurized atmosphere in a hard vacuum rocketing through space at over 0.2% the speed of light in a vacuum. Do you have any concept of how much energy a 6.669 sextillion ton sphere traveling at 388.5 miles per second relative to the so-called cosmic microwave background would have? If a spec of dust got in the way the resulting explosion would destroy half the known universe!

Good lord...If there was a Nobel Prize for trolling, you'd win hands down.

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October 07, 2018, 05:09:00 AM
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All my research indicates there is a military blockade

So you're blindly trusting this but not actual science? Is there a youtube video of the blockade?

All sides claim this information is true.  Both government (antarctic treaty) and people who have been turned around.  There is no dispute in the matter.  I would liken this to me believing that Australia is real.  Never been there and it is a belief for me personally that it exists however I don't have a legion of people claiming it's not there.  If eventually a group of people claim it's not there and they can show me evidence that goes in line with my direct reality that it was not there then I would suspend that belief until I flew there to see.  I have the capability to suspend pre-conceived beliefs if information is presented to me that goes directly against what I'm experiencing.  I do not get the wild fight or flight some of you boys are getting when your world view is challenged and go on the attack.  

In my reality everything about my environment tells me it's flat.  I would have to disbelieve my own reality to believe in the sphere.  There is where the issue stems.  You also have no idea we are on a sphere.  Earlier today you were claiming the earth is a sphere because you have seen the curve with your binoculars.  You have been debunked. You still refuse to even acknowledge your error.  This shows the type of individual you are and also shows your motives.   You are a deciple.  You do not even know why you believe what you do.  You are whats referred to as a useful idiot for the elite.

Are you ever going to show us your real science and proof of the curve that doesn't involve you bullshit binocular story?  You keep talking about this science but I just see you getting thrashed on this subject then seemingly forgetting it and moving to your next bullshit point (of which never contains any proof whatsoever - just you running your mouth) .  Either way the more you spout your complete and obvious bullshit the more you help spread the word.  I don't even think you realize the arguments your making go against what your own team is saying.  I bet if they had your binoculars they would see it your way.  

Can't wait to see your next batch of bullshit (that will most likely cause the rest of the science community to do a face palm).  I can guarantee the next thing out of your mouth will contain no proof or real science.

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