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^^^ No, the confusion is that you are using the sextant for a wrong kind of measurement. How to prove this? Take a balloon up to within 5 feet of the sun, and make your sextant measurement there. How many minutes in diameter is the sun now? It's way off the scale. You'd get a similar measurement if you simply pointed the sextant at the ground and measured the earth. The 32 degrees is meaningless.

You've seen those carpenter or artist T-squares. Hold the base of the T at your eye, and aim the T at the sun. Eyeball the sun's width at the T cross member measurement increments. Then run two strings, one from each side of the T cross member where either side of the sun measurement spot is located, down to the center point at the base of the T. Notice how the sun gets narrower - the strings getting closer together - as you approach the base of the T-square. This tells you nothing about the width of the sun unless you know the distance to the sun.

You are using incomplete info. If the sun were 20 billion miles in diameter, and it still showed 32 degrees, it would be because the sun was much farther away. You are simply misusing the sextant, and misinterpreting the 32 degrees when you call it in miles.

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 June 15, 2019, 10:58:53 PMLast edit: June 15, 2019, 11:41:39 PM by odolvloboMerited by suchmoon (4)

^^^ when I measure the Sun with a sextant it's 32 minutes in diameter.
Your (((confusion))) seems to stem from not understanding how this particular map projection works, the presenter explains how it works and you're not following along at all.

Notice that your diagram says "1 degree of latitude". I agree that 1 degree of latitude is 60 nm. The presenter mistakenly believes that 1 degree of longitude is 60 nm. The result is that his distances, other than those to the North Pole (because he uses degrees of latitude), are all wrong.

The presenter believes that each degree of longitude is 60 nm. That's what he is saying, right? That means that the distance around the earth is 21600 nm (360 degrees times 60 nm) no matter where you start from. According to him, whether you are near the North Pole, on the equator, or at the southern edge, the distance around is 21600 nm. Do you believe that too?

Now, it should be noted that he picked a latitude at which 1 degree of longitude is coincidentally close to 60 nm, but if he picked a different latitude his results would have been obviously wrong. For example, the distance between Östersund, Sweden and Reykjavik, Iceland is only about 1000 nm, even though they are also 36 degrees of longitude apart.

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 June 16, 2019, 12:53:05 AM

^^^ when I measure the Sun with a sextant it's 32 minutes in diameter.
Your (((confusion))) seems to stem from not understanding how this particular map projection works, the presenter explains how it works and you're not following along at all.

Notice that your diagram says "1 degree of latitude". I agree that 1 degree of latitude is 60 nm. The presenter mistakenly believes that 1 degree of longitude is 60 nm. The result is that his distances, other than those to the North Pole (because he uses degrees of latitude), are all wrong.

The presenter believes that each degree of longitude is 60 nm. That's what he is saying, right? That means that the distance around the earth is 21600 nm (360 degrees times 60 nm) no matter where you start from. According to him, whether you are near the North Pole, on the equator, or at the southern edge, the distance around is 21600 nm. Do you believe that too?

Now, it should be noted that he picked a latitude at which 1 degree of longitude is coincidentally close to 60 nm, but if he picked a different latitude his results would have been obviously wrong. For example, the distance between Östersund, Sweden and Reykjavik, Iceland is only about 1000 nm, even though they are also 36 degrees of longitude apart.

Just curious. Does "nm" stand for nano-meters?

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 June 16, 2019, 06:32:06 AMLast edit: June 16, 2019, 09:05:57 AM by notbatman

"nm" is nautical miles.

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 June 16, 2019, 01:27:20 PM

^^^ You are mistaken about a sextant. You can't find the distance to an object without knowing its width/height. All the sextant does is gives an angle. You can't find the width/height of the sun itself without knowing the distance to it. You need more than a simple angle to find distance or height. If you have a method, show us the method.

BTW, research globe earth to find out where you really are in life.

EDIT: Parallax method for measuring the distance to the sun - https://www.universetoday.com/117843/how-did-we-find-the-distance-to-the-sun/.

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 June 16, 2019, 02:03:22 PMLast edit: June 16, 2019, 02:57:52 PM by notbatman

^^^ You're a fucking liar, you can measure distances with sextant and it's 1 nautical mile per 1 minute. The diameter of the Sun can be measured directly and it's 32 minutes.

Stellar parallax is crock of shit, refraction causes a margin of error greater than the measurement being made. Also if all the stars are a different distances why do they all move as a group never changing relative positions to one another, shit for brains.

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^^^ Refraction index can be determined and accounted for, because there isn't any atmospheric refraction when the object is directly overhead.

Show us how to measure the distance to an object with the sextant alone, not knowing the distance to, or size of, any object or shadow. How does it work? Show us the complete equation.

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 June 16, 2019, 02:36:37 PMLast edit: June 16, 2019, 03:08:19 PM by notbatman

^^^ You have to change the subject from the Sun's diameter to it's distance from the viewer because you can't debunk the fact the Sun is 32 minutes wide as measured directly. We know 1 minute is equal to 1 nautical mile and that's enough to measure objects.

inb4 bad start spewing shit about an objects apparent size, angles measured with a sextant are the angle between the horizon and the object not between the viewer and the object. Bad will try and push this bullshit because most people don't understand how a sextant works.
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 June 16, 2019, 06:16:20 PM

^^^  ....you can't debunk the fact the Sun is 32 minutes minutes wide as measured directly.

because it is.... you trolling moron

....We know 1 minute is equal to 1 nautical mile ......

no we don't ,... you trolling moron (read odolvlobo post again, which you conveniently did not respond to)

.... that's enough to measure objects.

no its not,  you trolling moron (read odolvlobo post again, which you conveniently did not respond to)

..... because most people don't understand how a sextant works.

including yourself, you trolling moron

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 June 16, 2019, 07:38:49 PMLast edit: June 24, 2019, 01:48:00 AM by odolvlobo

^^^ You have to change the subject from the Sun's diameter to it's distance from the viewer because you can't debunk the fact the Sun is 32 minutes wide as measured directly. We know 1 minute is equal to 1 nautical mile and that's enough to measure objects.

I'm confused about what you are saying.

1. Degrees, minutes, and seconds are measurements of angles. 1 degree = 60 minutes. 1 minute = 60 seconds
2. 1 nautical mile (nm) is defined as 1 minute of latitude, but that only applies to measurements of the earth.

Do you disagree with any of those?

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There are other facts you can determine from 1 minute = 1 nm. The distance from the north pole to the equator is 90 degrees = 5400 minutes = 5400 nm, so 6214 miles. On a flat earth, the distance around the earth along the equator is 2π x 6214 = 39,000 miles. The distance from the north pole to the south pole is 180 degrees = 10800 minutes = 10800 nm, so 12428 miles. On a flat earth, the distance around the earth along the southern edge is 2π x 12428 = 78,100 miles.

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^^^ You have to change the subject from the Sun's diameter to it's distance from the viewer because you can't debunk the fact the Sun is 32 minutes wide as measured directly. We know 1 minute is equal to 1 nautical mile and that's enough to measure objects.

That's at the surface of the earth.

All you are saying is that if the earth is flat, then the sun is such and such diameter because the angles at the flat earth show that the sun is so many miles above us. This means that the earth is flat.

You are doing what the evolution people do. They say evolution exists because some animals look like other animals, and by evolution they must look like they do if evolution exists. So, evolution exists.

You are using circular explanations.

On a globe, you can't tell how far the sun is from the earth simply by the 32 degrees. Trig needs another measurement besides the angle. Science has found the other measurements in different ways so that the 32 degrees can be used to find the distance to the Sun, and then, the sun's diameter. One of the methods is the parallax.

The distance to the sun has been calculated to about 93 million miles, and its diameter about 800,000 miles. Neither globe earth or sun distance and size were calculated with globe earth in mind. These measurements simply prove that the earth is a globe.

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 June 17, 2019, 02:00:48 AM

You guys are fucking retards and liars trying to confuse the subject.

@odolvlobo you fucking shit for brains, the Sun measures 32 minuets and it's a 1:1 ratio with nautical miles.

The ratio of 1 nautical mile to 1 minute is based on the angular resolution limits of the human eye. Measurements made with a sextant are made against a horizon that's based on convergence to a point, an optical phenomenon with the eye not a hard physical barrier like these fucking faggots want you to believe.

These fucking faggots want you to believe a sextant measures apparent size or some other shit, it measures angles from the horizon.
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^^^ Why is it that you are so confused? Nobody else seems to be, 'cept. maybe, exemplaar.

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 June 17, 2019, 04:29:24 AM

@odolvlobo you fucking shit for brains, the Sun measures 32 minuets and it's a 1:1 ratio with nautical miles.

What?

The sun has an angular size of 32 minutes, or 0.533 degrees. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

But you are saying that anything with an angular size of 32 minutes is 32 nautical miles across. That doesn't work. You can use a sextant to measure the height of a building. If the sextant measures 32 minutes, then is the building 32 nautical miles tall?

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 June 17, 2019, 04:42:37 AM

^^^ Fuck you faggot, trying to conflate apparent size with angles measured against the horizon.
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 June 17, 2019, 05:23:43 AM

^^^ Fuck you faggot, trying to conflate apparent size with angles measured against the horizon.

Whose doing the conflation? You are saying that 1 minute (an angle) is equal to 1 nautical mile (a size).

I don't understand why you disagree with me. I'm really trying to understand. I've shown you my math. Please stop name-calling and just point out my mistake.

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 June 17, 2019, 05:45:32 AMLast edit: June 17, 2019, 06:42:58 AM by notbatman

This is what these faggots are so desperately trying to hide:

You can see the angle never changes no matter how close the telephone pole is. They feign ignorance in an attempt to lead people away from the truth, pretending apparent size is the angle depicted above in red.

The angle in red never fucking changes and it's based on the human eye, it doesn't matter how fucking close the object is!

The pole could be hanging from a fucking helicopter off in the distance, up in sky and it would still have the same fucking angle! Up, down, left, right, close up, far away it doesn't fucking matter the angle DOES NOT CHANGE EVER!!!!!!

The Sun is measured directly with a sextant to be 32 minuets or nautical miles in diameter. This would stand up in court.
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 June 17, 2019, 10:40:48 AM

On a rather calm yet breezy day, get out to the ocean. Through a telescope, watch a sailing ship coming in towards land. At a great distance away, only the topmost parts of the masts are visible on the horizon
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 June 17, 2019, 10:48:42 AM

f coarse you ask "but why would they lie, I don't understand". They lie because they're hiding the fact the Earth is flat and there is no space to travel to or in. We're inside a giant underwater terrarium and atmospheric life is an artificially created novelty.
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