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February 02, 2020, 08:39:25 PM
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I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

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February 03, 2020, 06:22:56 AM
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So when I give "displacement of aether" as an explanation of why any object in a vacuum chamber is stuck to the bottom if gravity doesn't real, I'm giving a "general" explanation. The more technical explanation lies in understanding the extremely complex network of electromagnetic field lines surrounding the object and the forces involved therein.

Well, I would love to see the more technical explanation! How do I find it?

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February 03, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
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I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

Don't think they'd want to do such thing, although even if someone from FE community would do it and tell everyone else "look the earth is round, it's not flat!" - they would reject him and say "oh boi, he's one of them" instead of believing him. Those people are rejecting the fundamental basics of physics, and even though lots of them are smart people, i wouldn't expect from them to change their beliefs, especially when they are having fun - they have their own community, they can talk about it, socialize, cult it etc.
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February 03, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
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@odolvlobo "A treatise on electricity and magnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell."

I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

Don't think they'd want to do such thing, although even if someone from FE community would do it and tell everyone else "look the earth is round, it's not flat!" - they would reject him and say "oh boi, he's one of them" instead of believing him. Those people are rejecting the fundamental basics of physics, and even though lots of them are smart people, i wouldn't expect from them to change their beliefs, especially when they are having fun - they have their own community, they can talk about it, socialize, cult it etc.

You guys are delusional because NASA is a propaganda agency, there is no "astronaut training camp" you halfwit morons. There are no university or college courses to become an astronaut, outer space is a hoax.

Globalism is the cult, so fuck off with your bullshit! In fact don't come back until you can spell "atmospheric balloons" correctly.



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February 03, 2020, 06:50:38 PM
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You guys are delusional because NASA is a propaganda agency, there is no "astronaut training camp" you halfwit morons. There are no university or collage courses to become an astronaut, outer space is a hoax.
Globalism is the cult, so fuck off with your bullshit! In fact don't come back until you can spell "atmospheric balloons" correctly.

Oh well,
I'm sorry I made a mistake spelling "atmospheric balloons", I've never been in one. And this is also what happens when you speak 3 languages and English isn't the mother tongue.

But seeing how you spelled college, I assume you never attended one either  Grin

You have no argumentation, attacking people on the form instead of the debunking ideas.

Are you telling us that The MUERICAINS, the Russians, The Europeans and now the Chinese are all part of this cult that pretends they send people in space just to keep the dream going?
How delusional you are.

And obviously I knew that there isn't any camp/college/university as per se.
But you are not going to send Kim dot Com on ISS, it has to be someone fitter.


So again, have a member board a shuttle, make photos and then you will see the truth (or prove us all wrong)


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February 03, 2020, 09:31:15 PM
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^^^ It's [outer space] all nonsense, the globalists are international in nature so it's no wonder there's a space agency set up in all major countries. All these politicians and leaders are in bed together, sometimes literally as the Masons, Jews, Jesuits and the rest of the conspiracy cabal are mostly promiscuous homosexuals.

The space shuttle, a zero-g airplane rigged up as a flying Hollywood film studio has been retired for many years. Today the ISS is faked with Chroma Key CGI technology and actors hanging from wires.

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February 04, 2020, 07:06:58 AM
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@odolvlobo "A treatise on electricity and magnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell."

Thanks for nothing. There is no mention of the displacement of aether by anything.

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February 04, 2020, 11:18:53 AM
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^^^ I'm sorry but you're an idiot, now you're going to cry because Maxwell above your IQ level and you can't see how it relates to your question?

You asked for a technical explanation and you got it. It took me many weeks to read and understand that shit, I had to read them several times over. You didn't have time to read any of it.

Displacement of aether as I stated before is a macroscopic explanation for why objects fall in a vacuum, however electromagnetic forces are behind this phenomenon. If you want to understand the concept of aether and the forces at play Maxwell's calculus goes into details but, this is not a physics textbook for pre-schoolers that describes why shit falls.

You keep asking about aether displacement and I keep telling you about electromagnetic forces, I'm not avoiding the question I'm explaining what I understand is going on, capiche?



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There's a few things I should mention, for one there's original copies of the treatise available. Any copies linked from Google or academia will be censored versions. Also the equations touted as "Maxwell's Equations" by academia are not from Maxwell, these equations are crippled versions of his original quaternions.

Second, the aether can be regarded as a superfine gas however, it's what matter is made of. Let me explain with an analogy:

Say we have air, water, a whirlpool and a boat. We can talk about buoyancy with the boat displacing the water or the water displacing the air but, what does the whirlpool displace? It displaces the water creating a funnel shaped void of air and, it's made of water, and water is flowing through it.

Do you see the difficulty in describing the whirlpool using buoyancy and the displacement of water? You need to use fluid dynamics to describe it properly. Maxwell's original equations are all based on fluid flow mechanics.
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February 04, 2020, 07:35:54 PM
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2) The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

Deceptive speaking^^. If the earth were flat, anybody looking straight ahead, parallel to the earth, would never see the horizon in his line of sight. His line of sight would always remain at the same height above the horizon as his eye/camera was above the ground.

The only time the horizon would rise to meet his eye would be if the earth were curved upward, like on the inside of a hollow earth. But then it wouldn't be a horizon. It would only be the ground.

So we see that this point doesn't have anything to do with proving FE or GE.

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February 05, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
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^^^ Dubay (the author of that quote) is correct and you're an complete idiot, here's why:

   The horizon (apparent) is created by the angular size limit of the eye or camera, this physical limit is the result of the aperture size and wavelength(s) of light. As objects recede into the distance they get smaller to a vanishing point (the size limit), the distance to this point is defined by the eye. The result of all objects in the field of view converging to a point is a vanishing line a.k.a. the horizon line.

The globe model's geometric horizon (physical) is complete nonsense and doesn't exist, this can be confirmed by the individual with modern optics such as the Nikon P900. The apparent horizon is an established part of science and has been a known optical effect for a long time.



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   Yanoff, Myron; Duker, Jay S. (2009). Ophthalmology 3rd Edition. MOSBY Elsevier. ISBN 978-0444511416.

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   Nikon P900 Distance to the Horizon Test -- https://youtu.be/U7GIW0vJcic
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^^^ Dubay (the author of that quote) is correct and you're an complete idiot, here's why:

   The horizon (apparent) is created by the angular size limit of the eye or camera, this physical limit is the result of the aperture size and wavelength(s) of light. As objects recede into the distance they get smaller to a vanishing point (the size limit), the distance to this point is defined by the eye. The result of all objects in the field of view converging to a point is a vanishing line a.k.a. the horizon line.

The globe model's geometric horizon (physical) is complete nonsense and doesn't exist, this can be confirmed by the individual with modern optics such as the Nikon P900. The apparent horizon is an established part of science and has been a known optical effect for a long time.



Reference:

   Yanoff, Myron; Duker, Jay S. (2009). Ophthalmology 3rd Edition. MOSBY Elsevier. ISBN 978-0444511416.

Documentation:

   Nikon P900 Distance to the Horizon Test -- https://youtu.be/U7GIW0vJcic

You are quite good at directing us away from what is being talked about. But here is the answer.

Let's say that your eye is 6 feet above the ground. And let's say it is focused perfectly parallel to the ground. On a flat earth, all you have to do is follow the line of sight. Walk, if you must. Walk for miles and miles, perfectly parallel to the FE, in the line of sight. Walk for another couple of days. Walk 10,000 miles on the FE, always keeping to the eye height, which the eye is using... the 6 feet.

Let's say you only walked to the horizon that the eye sees. The eye is simply too weak and unable to distinguish you from other objects on the horizon... we're talking FE here. But the straight line that the eye is following is still 6 feet above the FE ground.

If your focus is on the fact that the eye has its limits, great. But the horizon never rises to meet the eye no matter where the horizon is... except in one place. Where is the one place that the horizon rises to meet the eye on a FE? In the mind of the observer. Camera, the same.

I don't really want to tell you what to do or say. But why not say what is factual? Your FE is a lie, but worse than that, the ways you try to explain it are a complete sham and deception. Why? Because everything you say doesn't have anything to do with FE or GE. You simply play on the standard thinking of people in ways that make them THINK that you are talking about the shape of the earth.

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February 06, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
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February 07, 2020, 05:33:05 AM
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^^^ I'm sorry but you're an idiot, now you're going to cry because Maxwell above your IQ level and you can't see how it relates to your question?

You asked for a technical explanation and you got it. It took me many weeks to read and understand that shit, I had to read them several times over. You didn't have time to read any of it.

Displacement of aether as I stated before is a macroscopic explanation for why objects fall in a vacuum, however electromagnetic forces are behind this phenomenon. If you want to understand the concept of aether and the forces at play Maxwell's calculus goes into details but, this is not a physics textbook for pre-schoolers that describes why shit falls.

You keep asking about aether displacement and I keep telling you about electromagnetic forces, I'm not avoiding the question I'm explaining what I understand is going on, capiche?

Well, I read the original 1873 edition -- at least, the electrostatics chapters, and I found it to be very basic, tedious and primitive (they still didn't know what electricity was at that point). I asked for a technical explanation of buoyancy in the absence of air, and again like the flywheel paper you  previously linked, you gave me something that was not applicable.

I suspect that you pointed me to Maxwell because you truly feel that the "buoyancy" claim by flat-earthers is unsupportable, and you prefer an electrostatic attraction explanation. Is that right? I hope so. BTW, I ran across this relevant quote by Maxwell:

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Aethers were invented for the planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and magnetic effluvia, to convey sensations from one part of our bodies to another, and so on, until all space had been filled three or four times over with aethers. ... The only aether which has survived is that which was invented by Huygens to explain the propagation of light.


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February 07, 2020, 05:48:00 AM
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There are "flat" territories found on Earth, obviously. Take any given section of land in a salt level and you will find that it approximates a plane. Yet, on a lot bigger scales there are no genuinely planar surfaces on our planet.

The least complex model for the state of the Earth is a circle, and it would appear that one from a reasonable separation in space. In any case, when estimated precisely, it is seen as more like an oblate ellipsoid, with its equator a small amount of a percent fatter than its stature.
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February 07, 2020, 09:21:10 AM
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February 07, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
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@odolvlobo,

"...they still didn't know what electricity was at that point..."

   Maxwell, the guy who wrote the book on electromagnetism, he didn't know what electricity was? You're joking right?

"...I asked for a technical explanation of buoyancy in the absence of air..."

   And you got it, aether behaves as a superfine gas (a fluid).

   If you can't put two and two together and see that Maxwell's treatise describes electromagnetism in terms of fluid flow equations where the fluid is the aether, then you're in over your head buddy.

   All the forces involved with buoyancy are electromagnetic in nature; Coulomb's Law applies.

"...like the flywheel paper you  previously linked, you gave me something that was not applicable..."

   The paper I linked describes shear stress in regards to flywheels, the SHEAR STRESS on a flywheel thousands of miles wide would be absolutely catastrophic. A spinning globe just like pressurized gas in a vacuum, is physically impossible!


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February 07, 2020, 07:46:50 PM
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15) If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and descend 2,777 feet (over half a mile) every minute! Otherwise, without compensation, in one hour’s time the pilot would find themselves 31.5 miles higher than expected.

You missed the part about the center of gravity of the airplane. Airplanes are built to automatically adjust to their center of gravity. No dipping of the nose is necessary. Natural center of gravity causes the plane to follow the curvature of the earth.


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"Maxwell, the guy who wrote the book on electromagnetism, he didn't know what electricity was? You're joking right?"

  By 1873, electricity was well studied, but the existence of the electron itself was not known until shortly after the book was written. Before that, the closest they got was that electricity was some kind of fluid with a charge.

"...And you got it, aether behaves as a superfine gas (a fluid). If you can't put two and two together and see that Maxwell's treatise describes electromagnetism in terms of fluid flow equations where the fluid is the aether, then you're in over your head buddy. All the forces involved with buoyancy are electromagnetic in nature; Coulomb's Law applies...."

Yes, Maxwell's treatise describes electromagnetism in terms of fluid flow equations where the fluid is the aether. However in this context, the only property of aether is that it transmits electromagnetism, and it has no other properties. Likewise, Coulomb's Law applies only to the electrical force between charged particles. I can't put two and two together because they don't seem to apply to buoyancy and you have yet to explain how they do.

"...P.S. Don't ever become an engineer."

Too late. I've worked as an engineer for more than 30 years. As for being "over my head", I'll admit that electromagnetism is not my area of expertise, but it is not beyond my ability to comprehend. What about you? Are you sure that you aren't in over your head?

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February 08, 2020, 01:35:58 AM
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4) Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.

5) One portion of the Nile River flows for a thousand miles with a fall of only one foot. Parts of the West African Congo, according to the supposed inclination and movement of the ball-Earth, would be sometimes running uphill and sometimes down. This would also be the case for the Parana, Paraguay and other long rivers.


Just because FE people can't get it into their heads that gravity is a force towards the center of the earth...

If people in the United States are standing on a GE, it doesn't mean that people in China should be falling off the earth.

If you are going to mix talk about a FE and a GE without letting folks know what you are doing, all you are proving is that you are deceptive.

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