Flat Earth

[xtraelv]

The DirecTV type "satellite" dish systems that are commonly in use today use troposcatter technology developed by the US military:



   "tropospheric scatter: 1. The propagation of radio waves by scattering as a result of irregularities or discontinuities in the physical properties of the troposphere. [NTIA] [RR] [JP1] 2. A method of transhorizon communications using frequencies from approximately 350 MHz to approximately 8400 MHz. (188) Note: The propagation mechanism is still not fully understood, though it includes several distinguishable but changeable mechanisms such as propagation by means of random reflections and scattering from irregularities in the dielectric gradient density of the troposphere, smooth-Earth diffraction, and diffraction over isolated obstacles (knife-edge diffraction). Synonym troposcatter." -- https://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/dir-038/_5617.htm

Antennas used for troposcatter reception and transmission are far larger than the ones used for satellite reception and  transmissions because the signal is much weaker and are influenced much more by atmospheric conditions.

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[Astargath]

^^^ The camera pans and the ''holographic wave'' stays with the moon, it's possible the cameras operating frequencies are at play in the generation of the effect but, after some consideration I believe it can be witnessed by eye with a telescope. In either case the moon being a holographic projection from an elctro-mechanical projection system is the most likely cause as objects illumined by the sun don't exhibit this behavior.

Funny that no one in history has ever observed that.

[philipma1957]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

[notbatman]

The DirecTV type "satellite" dish systems that are commonly in use today use troposcatter technology developed by the US military:



   "tropospheric scatter: 1. The propagation of radio waves by scattering as a result of irregularities or discontinuities in the physical properties of the troposphere. [NTIA] [RR] [JP1] 2. A method of transhorizon communications using frequencies from approximately 350 MHz to approximately 8400 MHz. (188) Note: The propagation mechanism is still not fully understood, though it includes several distinguishable but changeable mechanisms such as propagation by means of random reflections and scattering from irregularities in the dielectric gradient density of the troposphere, smooth-Earth diffraction, and diffraction over isolated obstacles (knife-edge diffraction). Synonym troposcatter." -- https://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/dir-038/_5617.htm

Antennas used for troposcatter reception and transmission are far larger than the ones used for satellite reception and  transmissions because the signal is much weaker and are influenced much more by atmospheric conditions.

The military version is not the same as the commercial one but they both use troposcatter technology.

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

You'll find some of those answers in this book:



Don't let the churches, or the pope, or the jesuits, or the society of jesus, or mockery by jews, or Vod poison your interpretation of those words.

[exemplaar]

+bonus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA1RtZkXyh8

[joerogers8]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

If you don't know where you're at what do you call that?  LOST.  If we don't know where we are we're lost as a people and have no chance of figuring out who we are.  

[notbatman]

^^^ I think we can simplify this by asking why does a person or group lie about anything? There's a handful of of special use cases, white lies, lies to your enemies, lies for your team or just propagating erroneous and false information unknowingly. I'm asking generally, what's the motivation to lie?





ORANGE MAN BAD!

[Astargath]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

If you don't know where you're at what do you call that?  LOST.  If we don't know where we are we're lost as a people and have no chance of figuring out who we are.  

Because somehow knowing that the earth is flat means we know where we are?

[yoseph]

^^^ I think we can simplify this by asking why does a person or group lie about anything? There's a handful of of special use cases, white lies, lies to your enemies, lies for your team or just propagating erroneous and false information unknowingly. I'm asking generally, what's the motivation to lie?





ORANGE MAN BAD!

And also what do they seek to benefit by saying that earth is round instead of it being flat, I don’t think they stand to gain anything at all. For the self doubters they should just come together and finance a space to ascertain the truth.

[joerogers8]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

If you don't know where you're at what do you call that?  LOST.  If we don't know where we are we're lost as a people and have no chance of figuring out who we are.  

Because somehow knowing that the earth is flat means we know where we are?

No but if you're deceived into believing something that is not true would you not agree you are much further away from knowing true self? 

If you can see that the proofs you were given regarding shape of the earth are false it opens a new set of doors to go through.  If you believe the earth is round then I believe you have an entire playbook to follow regarding your life and who you are so I would proceed to follow that path if I were you.  You don't seem to be taking a single bit of this information in.  Why would you waste your time here? 

[notbatman]

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And also what do they seek to benefit by saying that earth is round instead of it being flat, I don’t think they stand to gain anything at all. For the self doubters they should just come together and finance a space to ascertain the truth.

The shape of the earth is but one lie in world full of deception; a criminal doesn't just commit one crime, he's got a lengthy rap sheet. Now what you're suggesting is that we pool our money and give it to the criminal so he can take us all on a voyage to a place he's lied about. What could go wrong?

[Astargath]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

If you don't know where you're at what do you call that?  LOST.  If we don't know where we are we're lost as a people and have no chance of figuring out who we are.  

Because somehow knowing that the earth is flat means we know where we are?

No but if you're deceived into believing something that is not true would you not agree you are much further away from knowing true self? 

If you can see that the proofs you were given regarding shape of the earth are false it opens a new set of doors to go through.  If you believe the earth is round then I believe you have an entire playbook to follow regarding your life and who you are so I would proceed to follow that path if I were you.  You don't seem to be taking a single bit of this information in.  Why would you waste your time here? 

Ill write you from Mars in 2030. Knowing the earth isn't flat and the universe is vast only makes people want to explore more, if you wanted to control people you would tell them the earth is flat and there is no way to go.

[joerogers8]

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?

Why are they telling us this lie?

If indeed flat earth is true why lie to us?

If you don't know where you're at what do you call that?  LOST.  If we don't know where we are we're lost as a people and have no chance of figuring out who we are.  

Because somehow knowing that the earth is flat means we know where we are?

No but if you're deceived into believing something that is not true would you not agree you are much further away from knowing true self?  

If you can see that the proofs you were given regarding shape of the earth are false it opens a new set of doors to go through.  If you believe the earth is round then I believe you have an entire playbook to follow regarding your life and who you are so I would proceed to follow that path if I were you.  You don't seem to be taking a single bit of this information in.  Why would you waste your time here?  

Ill write you from Mars in 2030. Knowing the earth isn't flat and the universe is vast only makes people want to explore more, if you wanted to control people you would tell them the earth is flat and there is no way to go.

If they took you to Mars how could you prove you were really there on the luminary we see in the sky?  Maybe the Cavendish Experiment will work better on Mars and you can test the gravity!

Any concern we cannot get to the moon at 238-239k miles away but they are planning trips to Mars at 34 million miles away?  Are you going to go first?

[xtraelv]

You'll find some of those answers in this book:



Don't let the churches, or the pope, or the jesuits, or the society of jesus, or mockery by jews, or Vod poison your interpretation of those words.

I'm struggling to find that a reliable source.

Exodus 21:7
Exodus 35:2
Lev 11:10
Lev. 25:44
2 Kings 2:23

Stoning people, owning slaves and selling my daughter into slavery, cursing and smiting kids for calling me bald - conflict with my personal views of morality.

I also like eating shellfish.

[notbatman]

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Ill write you from Mars in 2030. Knowing the earth isn't flat and the universe is vast only makes people want to explore more, if you wanted to control people you would tell them the earth is flat and there is no way to go.

There you have it, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that earth is spinning ball in a vacuum and that every light in the sky is also a giant heavy ball is, the claim that in 11 years from now, elon musk and nasa are going going to have built vacation cities on mars and, there will be family holidays to mars like in the movie total recall. How could elon build a sprawling vacation getaway on mars with his bear hands if it wasn't a solid sphere; proof beyond a reasonable doubt no doubt?

But evil notbatman wants "to control people" and stop them from exploring mars and the universe and has worked out an evil plot against the heroic elon musk and the honest, dedicated and hard working men and woman at nasa who just want the best for all of mankind, a dastardly plan to "tell them the earth is flat and there is no way to go". Humanity will never know the joy of growing potatoes on mars and discovering fossilized martian flowers.

[suchmoon]

There you have it, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that earth is spinning ball in a vacuum and that every light in the sky is also a giant heavy ball is, the claim that in 11 years from now, elon musk and nasa are going going to have built vacation cities on mars and, there will be family holidays to mars like in the movie total recall. How could elon build a sprawling vacation getaway on mars with his bear hands if it wasn't a solid sphere; proof beyond a reasonable doubt no doubt?

That's 11 years in Elon Musk's time, which as any M3 buyer would tell you is ~50 years in human time. So don't worry, you won't live long enough to see it.

[BADecker]

There you have it, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that earth is spinning ball in a vacuum and that every light in the sky is also a giant heavy ball is, the claim that in 11 years from now, elon musk and nasa are going going to have built vacation cities on mars and, there will be family holidays to mars like in the movie total recall. How could elon build a sprawling vacation getaway on mars with his bear hands if it wasn't a solid sphere; proof beyond a reasonable doubt no doubt?

That's 11 years in Elon Musk's time, which as any M3 buyer would tell you is ~50 years in human time. So don't worry, you won't live long enough to see it.

All that Musk is really telling us is that the USD economy will have crashed within 11 years. Of course, that means that we will never be going to Mars in a big way. But certainly not because the earth is anything other than a globe.

[notbatman]

For somebody arguing the flat and motionless nature of the Earth here's a tip:

   Use arguments in pairs, for example:

      FE Argument #1 - Eratosthenes and his sticks and shadows experiment works the same on a flat Earth with a close Sun.

      FE Argument #2 - A selenelion eclipse with the Sun and Moon both visible in the sky above the viewer is evidence the Earth is flat and motionless.


   The person arguing for the globe now has a problem, but he thinks he's got the answers. He's done some research and the authority has given him instructions on what to say.

      Globe Rebuttal #1 - We just add more sticks and the measurements are consistent with a globe but don't work on any flat Earth model.  

      Globe Rebuttal #2 - During a selenelion or horizontal lunar eclipse, atmospheric refraction causes the Moon to rise up from below the curvature of the Earth and become visible
      above the horizon.  


   Now our celebrity scientists such as Tyson or Nye look cool and smart. "We have pictures from space and I just proved Earth is a globe with 2000 year old math,
   I have nothing further to discuss with you flat earthers." loudly proclaims Tyson!


  Victory is short lived my chubby friend, has the reality of the answers you just gave set in Mr Tyson? Maybe you know and hope we wouldn't notice, or perhaps you've fooled yourself?

     Tyson: "I told you we have nothing further to discuss, now if you'll excuse I'm enjoying my sandwich!"

     The reality here Mr Tyson, the truth is that when adding more sticks to Eratosthenes experiment on a plane you must also calculate for atmospheric refraction. Remember,
     there are two questions here, either you have refraction or you don't but it matters not; if you claim refraction Argument #1 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe,
     if you claim no refraction then Argument #2 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe.


There you have it, always use two arguments so they're forced to falsify their own rebuttals.

[BADecker]

For somebody arguing the flat and motionless nature of the earth here's a tip:

   Use arguments in pairs, for example:

      FE Argument #1 - Eratosthenes and his sticks and shadows experiment works the same on a flat Earth with a close Sun.

      FE Argument #2 - A selenelion eclipse with the Sun and Moon both visible in the sky above the viewer is evidence the earth is flat and motionless.


   The person arguing for the globe now has a problem, but he thinks he's got the answers. He's done some research and the authority has given him instructions on what to say.

      Globe Rebuttal #1 - We just add more sticks and the measurements are consistent with a globe but don't work on any flat Earth model.  

      Globe Rebuttal #2 - During a selenelion or horizontal lunar eclipse, atmospheric refraction causes the Moon to rise up from below the curvature of the Earth and become visible
      above the horizon.  


   Now our celebrity scientists such as Tyson or Nye looks cool and smart. "We have pictures from space and I just proved Earth is a globe with 2000 year old math,
   I have nothing further to discuss with you flat earthers." loudly proclaims Tyson!


  Victory is short lived my chubby friend, has the reality of the answers you just gave set in Mr Tyson? Maybe you know and hope we wouldn't notice, or perhaps you've fooled yourself?

     Tyson: "I told you we have nothing further to discuss, now if you'll excuse I'm enjoying my sandwich!"

     The reality here Mr Tyson, the truth is that when adding more sticks to Eratosthenes experiment on a plane you must also calculate for atmospheric refraction. Remember,
     there are two questions here, either you have you have refraction or you don't but it matters not; if you claim refraction Argument #1 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe,
     if you claim no refraction then Argument #2 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe.


There you have it, always use two arguments so they're forced to falsify their own rebuttals.

But by adding more sticks on a globe, depending on where you add them, you have to account for atmospheric refraction, as well. So globe earth still stands.

[notbatman]

When you add more sticks a planar model fails without accounting for refraction, when you account for refraction the globe model fails and a planar model becomes consistent with observation.

Look at BADecker's intellectually dishonest and blatantly false statement. He tries to agree with with refraction being needed then claims it doesn't falsify the globe. He can't claim it's not needed or the selenelion falsifies the globe.

See how using two arguments forces him to start using gaslighting, semantics, goal post shifting, circular logic and the like? He can no longer argue with any facts and has to go down the path of intellectual dishonesty and start playing games. This is the point I just tell him to go rope himself, as he's playing a part in a massive conspiracy against me and almost everybody else.