Flat Earth

[joerogers8]

How many times have I explained the Moon is an object holographically projected off of a concave mirrored dome? Your memory is so short it's almost non-existent, the keyword here is "mirror".

How many times have I explained we know the moon orbits a sphere earth at 240,000 miles?  Is your memory that short?  The keyword is "gravity".

How many experiments do I have to suggest to you before you get curious enough to investigate yourself?

Next you will claim the moon is made of green cheese, because you read that somewhere.

 

Can you guess the distance to the Moon when you bust out the sextant and measure it? Gravity is an unproven theory like the big bang, outer space, heliocentrism, the globe, dinosaurs, evolution and historical time-frames greater than 10,000 years.

As the number of experiments you suggest approaches infinity, the possibility of a globe approaches zero. Also you seem to conflate researching documented information and facts with stories written by hacks, quacks and crackpot scientists. You keep repeating these same stories that are beamed into your head via TV, can't you understand everything on TV is fake news and the government is in on it? Can you tell me the official 911 narrative resembles anything that looks like a fact? Do you think that corporations put fluoride and roundup in your beer because it helps increase your testosterone level?

Oh come on! Everybody knows that a sextant is for finding approximate relative distances between the heavenly bodies. A sextant is way too inaccurate for determining the size of heavenly objects. Why don't you come out of the ancient past by at least stepping up to modern transits and telescopes?

You measured the suns size and distance with transits and a telescope?  Explain your set up, how you took your measurements and how you derived your conclusions.  

See if you can top your explanation of how a liquid can stick to the exterior of a shape.  For all who missed it water on the interior of a glass is proof of water sticking to the exterior of a shape (according to Badecker) because the liquid in the glass is on the exterior of the interior of the glass.

Set it up on land in the same format as a sextant would be set up, and you get much more accurate readings.

LOL  Avoiding that one.  Not even a classic ridiculous response?  I'm disappointed.

Tell us exactly what you did to get your measurement of the sun 93,000,000 miles away.  Did you make any assumptions?  Come on tell us how you did it.  Let us in on the secrets.  Can't wait to hear how you used the transits.  What type of telescope did you use?

He's using stellar parallax to measure the distance to Venus then triangulating but, atmospheric distortions render this method completely useless as even the smallest distortions are bigger than the measurement he's claiming to make. So to avoid having you debunk his method he's making claims while omitting details of the method used. The sextant may be somewhat inaccurate for measuring the distance to the Sun but the margin of error sure as hell isn't 93,000,000 miles.

Astargath did this to me with Eratosthenes experiment, he kept claiming adding a 3rd well debunked flat earth but when I asked how and why he wouldn't answer. It turns out the experiment was taking the effects caused by refraction and claiming it was proof of curvature. The whole argument rested on the numbers NASA provides (we have to trust they are correct) for refraction.

I always love having them try to explain themselves here in the forum so others can see how full of shit they are.  It's obvious all of their data comes from the stories they were told and cannot be independently verified or none of us would need to be here.  Their refusal to simply admit this makes for some classic posts and great fun at times.  Badeckers response on the exterior of the interior was so classic I was hoping with a more complex subject he would really swing for the fences!  

[1713944399]

1713944399

[1713944399]

1713944399

[1713944399]

1713944399

[1713944399]

1713944399

[1713944399]

1713944399

[Vod]

He's using stellar parallax to measure the distance to Venus then triangulating but, atmospheric distortions render this method completely useless as even the smallest distortions are bigger than the measurement he's claiming to make. So to avoid having you debunk his method he's making claims while omitting details of the method used. The sextant may be somewhat inaccurate for measuring the distance to the Sun but the margin of error sure as hell isn't 93,000,000 miles.

Funny we don't have atmospheric distortions today, and can measure the distance to the moon, sun and many other planets and stars.

We can measure the distance to the next house, skyscraper and mountain in the same way.  All wil incredible precision.

Flat Earth is impossible.  Meaning... NOT POSSIBLE.     

[BADecker]

He's using stellar parallax to measure the distance to Venus then triangulating but, atmospheric distortions render this method completely useless as even the smallest distortions are bigger than the measurement he's claiming to make. So to avoid having you debunk his method he's making claims while omitting details of the method used. The sextant may be somewhat inaccurate for measuring the distance to the Sun but the margin of error sure as hell isn't 93,000,000 miles.

Funny we don't have atmospheric distortions today, and can measure the distance to the moon, sun and many other planets and stars.

We can measure the distance to the next house, skyscraper and mountain in the same way.  All wil incredible precision.

Flat Earth is impossible.  Meaning... NOT POSSIBLE.    

Who knows for sure, but it was probably atmospheric distortions that got the whole FE thing started in the first place... I mean in this modern day and age. But anybody can go outside on a clear night and watch the stars twinkle. How much are they displaced by their distortion twinkle? Perhaps a tiny fraction of a degree... not enough to create all the distortion and reverse distortion needed to show a FE. Bu, a person has dreams... even FE people do.

[notbatman]

He's using stellar parallax to measure the distance to Venus then triangulating but, atmospheric distortions render this method completely useless as even the smallest distortions are bigger than the measurement he's claiming to make. So to avoid having you debunk his method he's making claims while omitting details of the method used. The sextant may be somewhat inaccurate for measuring the distance to the Sun but the margin of error sure as hell isn't 93,000,000 miles.

Funny we don't have atmospheric distortions today, and can measure the distance to the moon, sun and many other planets and stars.

We can measure the distance to the next house, skyscraper and mountain in the same way.  All wil incredible precision.

Flat Earth is impossible.  Meaning... NOT POSSIBLE.    

Who knows for sure, but it was probably atmospheric distortions that got the whole FE thing started in the first place... I mean in this modern day and age. But anybody can go outside on a clear night and watch the stars twinkle. How much are they displaced by their distortion twinkle? Perhaps a tiny fraction of a degree... not enough to create all the distortion and reverse distortion needed to show a FE. Bu, a person has dreams... even FE people do.

All of your claims about stars being billions of miles away rest on that "Perhaps a tiny fraction of a degree" measurement, the distortions are greater than the measurement your parallax claims are based on. Then in the same post you claim the sextant is inaccurate while your margin of error is give or take 93 million miles? The angular size of objects doesn't lie and claims that objects seen with the naked eye are hundreds of thousands, millions and billions miles away are absurd. Both the Sun and Moon are measured at 32' (59 kilometers across) this makes your billion miles away claims a fucking joke, a big one; go rope yourself.

[Vod]

All of your claims about stars being billions of miles away rest on that "Perhaps a tiny fraction of a degree" measurement, the distortions are greater than the measurement your parallax claims are based on. Then in the same post you claim the sextant is inaccurate while your margin of error is give or take 93 million miles? The angular size of objects doesn't lie and claims that objects seen with the naked eye are hundreds of thousands, millions and billions miles away are absurd. Both the Sun and Moon are measured at 32' (59 kilometers across) this makes your billion miles away claims a fucking joke, a big one; go rope yourself.

There is no joking in physics.  What I measure today can be measured by anybody else anywhere else and at any other time.

The facts do not change.

The sun is 93,000,000 miles away - if it were any closer or further we would not be in the habitable zone.

Despite all your babbling, you cannot produce any evidence other then "derp - magic!" to hint everyone on the planet is wrong, and you are right.

 

[lightlord]

1. Launch a balloon with your own camera attached to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAifzh7_-cg


2. Sail around the world on your own.

3. Become an astronaut.

...but the curve is going the wrong way in that video!



The options were flat or spherical, now you've gone and complicated things by offering evidence for a concave earth.

If you understood simple photography, a wide-angle lens can create that kind of curvature. However, proving any information to a flat-earther is nearly impossible if not impossible. If you send one on a rocket into space and tell them to look out the window, they will say the windows are screened/faked with a display. If you put in a spacesuit into space, the glass on the spacesuit or they have been drugged.


Fish Eye Lens:

[Vod]

However, proving any information to a flat-earther is nearly impossible if not impossible. If you send one on a rocket into space and tell them to look out the window, they will say the windows are screened/faked with a display. If you put in a spacesuit into space, the glass on the spacesuit or they have been drugged.

So true - but it's fun to explain elementary school knowledge to them and watch them get all upset.

Notaman wants me dead sooooo bad because I keep exposing his lies.

 

[Astargath]

However, proving any information to a flat-earther is nearly impossible if not impossible. If you send one on a rocket into space and tell them to look out the window, they will say the windows are screened/faked with a display. If you put in a spacesuit into space, the glass on the spacesuit or they have been drugged.

So true - but it's fun to explain elementary school knowledge to them and watch them get all upset.

Notaman wants me dead sooooo bad because I keep exposing his lies.

 

His arguments are literally: ''some sort of effect/illusion'' always renders every measurement, observation useless. There is always some weird effect that always makes it look like the earth is a sphere.

[BADecker]

However, proving any information to a flat-earther is nearly impossible if not impossible. If you send one on a rocket into space and tell them to look out the window, they will say the windows are screened/faked with a display. If you put in a spacesuit into space, the glass on the spacesuit or they have been drugged.

So true - but it's fun to explain elementary school knowledge to them and watch them get all upset.

Notaman wants me dead sooooo bad because I keep exposing his lies.

 

His arguments are literally: ''some sort of effect/illusion'' always renders every measurement, observation useless. There is always some weird effect that always makes it look like the earth is a sphere.

Right. But our wish is for his betterment, isn't it? I mean, when he says that some sort of effect/illusion always renders every measurement or observation useless, why does he think that a sextant is more accurate? He really needs to get right down on the ground with a ruler so he can be sure that he's getting it right, right?

The point isn't to demean him. After all, look at everything he is trying to fight, especially in his own mind, right? First he has to fight all the proven science and observations. Then he has to fight all the people who know how to explain and use those observations. Then he has to figure out how to accept a bunch of FE observations by focusing on things that look like they are accurate. Then he has to fight himself, and his natural yearning to accept things that he knows go against common sense and standard science. Then he has to develop FE science to a point that fits reality, while not letting it slide into the realm of fantasy.

I mean, isn't a fighter like this some kind of a great guy? Who can hold his mind in place against all kinds of understanding like this? If he were a religious fighter, he would be among those who have the strongest of faith. No. I absolutely admire him.

Of course, it must be just as mentally draining for the interns at his funny farm. But, what the heck? He is still sane enough to get on the Internet and reply, right?

Bravo, nutbatman.

[notbatman]

The last few pages of discussion have focused primarily on the distance to the Sun. This is a make or break issue and the two sides of the argument can be broken down as follows.


Flat Earth:

   1. A sextant empirically measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles) with a triangulated distance of about 3,000 miles.

   2. People that openly deny an empirically measured value should rope themselves.


Globe Earth:

   1. Using a powerful telescope in an attempt to observe a theorized stellar parallax, a measurement so small that it's dwarfed by distortions caused by atmospheric turbulence (star twinkle) thus making conclusive observations impossible, the globalist claims he's able to triangulate the distance to the Sun at exactly 93,000,000 miles.

   2. NASA (a globalist organization) claims to use a Venusian radar system to measure it's exact distance to Earth then triangulate the distance to the Sun at 93,000,000 miles.

   3. The globalist makes the unsubstantiated and refutable claim is made that the Sun is always viewed the same size. This claim is refuted by images and photographs that show atmospheric magnification is occurring as a function of distance and that, under the right weather conditions, at higher altitudes the Sun is shown to change size drastically by shrinking to a point as it sets.

   4. Concern trolling and name calling.

[Vod]

  4. Concern trolling and name calling.

Not only do you troll, lie and name call, but you also continue to encourage people to commit suicide.

It's odd that no one else sees what you see.  Do you need glasses?

   1. A sextant empirically measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles) with a triangulated distance of about 3,000 miles.

Played around with you for a few days, but you should educate yourself - the sextant can be used for measuring the angle between a celestial object and the horizon.

It cannot be used for measuring the distance to an celestial object.   If you think it can - show the world!

 

[BADecker]

The last few pages of discussion have focused primarily on the distance to the Sun. This is a make or break issue and the two sides of the argument can be broken down as follows.


Flat Earth:

   1. A sextant empirically measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles) with a triangulated distance of about 3,000 miles.

Come on! about the sun size. If the sun were a 32 mile mirror, the lasers that would produce enough heat to heat the earth, by reflecting light off the sun, would have to be so immense that they couldn't be hidden. And the whole sun would have to be made of something like tungsten titanium diamond to be strong enough to withstand the heat without crashing. And the wires or rods that holds the sun up there would have to be so extremely strong that their tensile strength would be beyond anything that we can imagine.

I understand that anything is possible. But your stuff is way closer to fantasy magic than science or reality.  The point is that if you want to use the sun ideas to make or break the FE idea, you have a long way to go, with the kind of thinking you use.

[Vod]

I understand that anything is possible. But your stuff is way closer to fantasy magic than science or reality. 

Kind of like two of every animal going into a small boat for a few weeks while an old man flooded the earth.

 

[sirazimuth]

I see what you did there ^ ... lol.

[notbatman]

  4. Concern trolling and name calling.

Not only do you troll, lie and name call, but you also continue to encourage people to commit suicide.

It's odd that no one else sees what you see.  Do you need glasses?

   1. A sextant empirically measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles) with a triangulated distance of about 3,000 miles.

Played around with you for a few days, but you should educate yourself - the sextant can be used for measuring the angle between a celestial object and the horizon.

It cannot be used for measuring the distance to an celestial object.   If you think it can - show the world!

 

If you're lying to my face or even unknowing pushing false information as part of a horrible conspiracy, then how is telling you to go kill yourself unreasonable? As for the hard proof, I don't even to do a triangulation song & dance to calculate the distance, the sextant directly measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles). Fuck you.

[Vod]

If you're lying to my face or even unknowing pushing false information as part of a horrible conspiracy, then how is telling you to go kill yourself unreasonable? As for the hard proof, I don't even to do a triangulation song & dance to calculate the distance, the sextant directly measures the Sun's diameter at 32' (nautical miles). Fuck you.

I've never met you, and I guarantee you wouldn't lie to my face. 

I don't think you asking me to kill myself is wrong.  I understand how frustrating it is having your BS exposed.  I don't respect liars, so your threats mean nothing to me.

You play with your little sextant - you don't even know how it works.

 

[notbatman]

^^^ Continually accusing the target of doing what you're doing while you're doing it is a big part of this horrible conspiracy. The Sun's diameter is 32', see you in hell.  



Vod: "I'm reading 93,000,021.18 mm, that coin is huge!"

[sirazimuth]

Conversation with batty at a Halloween party....
Me.....”Hey now, nice costume dude...I like the funny hat and turkey bone”

Batty... “The earth is flat, the sun is 32 miles wide and 3000 miles away. I read somewhere
           that’s what a sextant says. And the moon landings were a hoax and all those scientists
           are lying. It’s a NASA conspiracy. They faked it . They don’t want you knowing the earth
            is a pancake.”

Me.....”Um...oookay ahhhh.....Oh, I get it now! You’re dressed up as a nutter who just escaped from the
          funny farm , right?...Ha ha ha! You’re a funny guy ..I get it....ha ha ha.....”

Batty...”Go rope yourself.”

[notbatman]

Fact: The Sun's angular size is 32 arcminutes.

Source:




Fact: One arcminute is equal to one nautical mile.

Source:




Fact: The Sun is 32 miles in diameter.
Source: Google & Wikipedia



Fact: The Sun is 32 miles in diameter.
Source: Direct measurement with a sextant.

[BADecker]

Fact: The Sun's angular size is 32 arcminutes.

Source:




Fact: One arcminute is equal to one nautical mile.

Source:




Fact: The Sun is 32 miles in diameter.
Source: Google & Wikipedia



Fact: The Sun is 32 miles in diameter.
Source: Direct measurement with a sextant.

The sun:

Its diameter is about 1.39 million kilometers, or 109 times that of Earth, and its mass is about 330,000 times that of Earth.

The sun:

The sun is nearly a perfect sphere. Its equatorial diameter and its polar diameter differ by only 6.2 miles (10 km). The mean radius of the sun is 432,450 miles (696,000 kilometers), which makes its diameter about 864,938 miles (1.392 million km). You could line up 109 Earths across the face of the sun. The sun's circumference is about 2,713,406 miles (4,366,813 km).

Let's Measure the Diameter of the Sun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZTG5eZ950

Hey, buddy, you're misreading, misinterpreting and misrepresenting a few things.




EDIT: What! These references are off by a millimeter?