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April 01, 2015, 09:09:08 PM
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Hello folks,
my company commissioned me to deal with the big "Bitcoin" topic a month ago.
Now when I feel I understood the technic aspects of bitcoin (and I find it amazing btw) I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.
And excuse my bad english please.

Kind Regards!
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April 01, 2015, 09:18:15 PM
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The best and safest investment you can make is just buying bitcoin and hold it.

If you are able to assess bitcoin start ups, go for it, but 100k doesn't seem much money for that.

Don't buy hardware!

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April 01, 2015, 09:20:13 PM
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What does your company do? Maybe you could somehow incorporate Bitcoin into your current business model.
Hardware is not the best investment, unless you could make your own. Cloud mining is even worse as it's very risky, most companies that did it ended up closed, bankrupt, or running with the money.

The best and safest investment you can make is just buying bitcoin and hold it.

I'd say the safest is selling goods and services for Bitcoin. This way you don't even have to hold it to profit.

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 I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

So you're saying that your company sent you to public forum to seek for advise on 100k ($?) investment?

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.

What for? What's the use of proof of BTC1 holding?

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April 01, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
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You have to invest into bitcoin or could it be some altcoin?
If I would have such budget to invest into cryptocurrencies I would invest into monero - both in currency itself and some service development. It's bit risky because as far as I know it's code wasn't peer reviewed but you know, investing into bitcoin was also a risk some time ago.
If it has to be a bitcoin I would invest into companies that allows you to buy bitcoins on high-street - bitcoins ATMs/ buying via payment systems available in shops like paypoint.

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April 01, 2015, 09:44:41 PM
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As a newbie i can only suggest buying low selling high or accepting bitcoin as payment.
As far as I know mining is hard now and geting harder day by day, cloud mining mostly turns as scum. So i suggest buy/sell option.
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April 01, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
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What does your company do? Maybe you could somehow incorporate Bitcoin into your current business model.


If that is possible that this way 100k  would be best used.
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April 01, 2015, 09:51:48 PM
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The best and safest investment you can make is just buying bitcoin and hold it.

If you are able to assess bitcoin start ups, go for it, but 100k doesn't seem much money for that.

Don't buy hardware!

100k is not the limit, we can go up to one M.

What does your company do? Maybe you could somehow incorporate Bitcoin into your current business model.
Hardware is not the best investment, unless you could make your own. Cloud mining is even worse as it's very risky, most companies that did it ended up closed, bankrupt, or running with the money.

The best and safest investment you can make is just buying bitcoin and hold it.

I'd say the safest is selling goods and services for Bitcoin. This way you don't even have to hold it to profit.

We are an investment company based in Arabia.
Thanks for your tips!

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 I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

So you're saying that your company sent you to public forum to seek for advise on 100k ($?) investment?

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.

What for? What's the use of proof of BTC1 holding?

No, my company did not send me here. I decided to ask for advice in a public forum.

Just to proof you that I have one btc on my address that can be given away to someone who is willing to help me on this topic.
You have to invest into bitcoin or could it be some altcoin?
If I would have such budget to invest into cryptocurrencies I would invest into monero - both in currency itself and some service development. It's bit risky because as far as I know it's code wasn't peer reviewed but you know, investing into bitcoin was also a risk some time ago.
If it has to be a bitcoin I would invest into companies that allows you to buy bitcoins on high-street - bitcoins ATMs/ buying via payment systems available in shops like paypoint.

Monero? Never heard if it - will look into it.

What does your company do? Maybe you could somehow incorporate Bitcoin into your current business model.


If that is possible that this way 100k  would be best used.

I don't think we can use bitcoin in our business model - we invest Fiat money into startups (angel investors) but we are looking into bitcoin now.
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April 03, 2015, 01:57:00 PM
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I can imagine your thread is real since all the latest news out there showing that established organizations try to jump on the topic.

If you check the price development of bitcoins then you would need to have trading skills since you most probably wont get the permission to hold them with these fluctuations.

If youre interested in interesting products or ideas then check the security subforums. Get ideas from there. The blockchain can be widely used. But beware of investments because practically every investment publicly advertised turn out the bad way.

Beware of mining hardware. You need a calculator that includes the rising difficulty in order to make a real decision. Then add the uncertainty of the hardware developer delivering early enough or at all.

Though there are offers out there for hosting with very low electricity prices you might consider when going that route. You might check out http://bit.ly/1uM1Tw9.

The best route for an investment firm would be to have a promising business idea based on the blockchain.

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April 03, 2015, 02:07:39 PM
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Look for startups which would bring BTC to the mainstream. Im keeping an eye on SendChat

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April 03, 2015, 02:21:01 PM
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Maybe you can buy BTCitcoin and start to be a trader, I think it's the best way to invest in BTCitcoin.
And don't you dare to invest in Cloud Mining, because it's useless (I know this from my research in this forum).

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April 03, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
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Hello folks,
my company commissioned me to deal with the big "Bitcoin" topic a month ago.
Now when I feel I understood the technic aspects of bitcoin (and I find it amazing btw) I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.
And excuse my bad english please.

Kind Regards!

1. Buy bitcoin at a low price and wait untill the price goes up and then sell it  Cheesy

2. Buy latest mining equipment and mine bitcoins at low electricity cost  Cheesy

3. By some altcoin low and sell it when it goes high, spikes happen quite often  Cheesy

These three things come to my mind  Cheesy
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Last edit: April 03, 2015, 03:53:28 PM by Pab
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April 03, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
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Buy bitcoins as soon as, his prize is going up again, btw part of them I would invest to litecoin and clams, try it, but really only small amount of your bitcoins.

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how about a sharia compatable microfinance platform enabled by bitcoin?  If so, then my receiving address is below for my rather nominal finder's fee.

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If it's fine by you, may I ask what kind of business do you guys have? Also, if you're looking into adding bitcoins into your investments, why not integrate bitcoins into your existing business as well? Also, if you are offering services, try asking for bitcoin payments too. As for bitcoin investments, buying bitcoins can be considered as one. Trading is also a way to go but if you guys are not yet familiar on how bitcoin trading works, stay away from it first and try to educate yourself about it before going deeper.

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April 03, 2015, 03:56:27 PM
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Go to Bitfinex, create a business account, and provide the 100K as swappable USD balance.  Currently paying around 40%+ yearly interest (50%+ if you factor in compounding interest).  You will make much more this way than just about anything else you can do with bitcoin.  The only other possible way to make this type of return is if you buy bitcoin and the price doubles (in which case buy and hold bitcoin).

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Go to Bitfinex, create a business account, and provide the 100K as swappable USD balance.  Currently paying around 40%+ yearly interest (50%+ if you factor in compounding interest).  You will make much more this way than just about anything else you can do with bitcoin.  The only other possible way to make this type of return is if you buy bitcoin and the price doubles (in which case buy and hold bitcoin).
And wait for bitfinex being hacked and then you lost all your assets. Keeping money online is never good idea. I am lacking information whether op wants to create bitcoin related business, like opening exchange market in his country, or just want to incorporate bitcoin payments to his already existing company or just create new branch related to cryptocurrencies. Possibilities are endless here.


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April 03, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
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the best thing to do right now is to buy bitcoin, after all the crash a rise is more expected than another crash, chances are against a possible dump, so it should be relatively safe to buy bitcoin right now

don't invest in any HW, they need 6+ months to roi(with free electricity)

you can at the very least play with some altcoin, but without some serious experience in trading(don't know how goo you are at it) it is very risky
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So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.


I would suggest you to try out Cloud Mining. It is a little risky area, but as an investor u must be knowing that every investment has some associated risk.

I am an individual and does not have a deep pocket. Back in November, I invested 0.11 BTC in www.CloudMining.website. A lot of people asked me not to, but still I did. Today, I have already made ROI and running on profit.

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852857.0

There are also third party review services that have reported ROI on www.CloudMining.website.

Proof: http://www.cmmonitor.com/24-cloudmining-website.html

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Cloud Mining is better than hardware mining as you have far less headache. If you think, my advise helped you, you may PM me for my BTC address. GooD Luck...

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Hello folks,
my company commissioned me to deal with the big "Bitcoin" topic a month ago.
Now when I feel I understood the technic aspects of bitcoin (and I find it amazing btw) I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.
And excuse my bad english please.

Kind Regards!

You can buy Bitcoins or join BTC Services offering interests on deposits (if there are any). Don't waste your money in mining, too expensive now.
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Buy btc two way atm,install in touristic places and make money

 
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So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?

Definitively Bitcoin startups, for mining you need extra cheap electricity you can get and easy cooling (cold area). About Bitcoin startups, think very critical if the idea Bitcoin startup come with has chance to be successfull + bring revenue

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I would suggest to take a look BTC start-ups as your primary target. After all the technology behind BTC is extremely valuable. 100k s not enough to invest into cloud mining.

Also, there are a few interesting PoS coins I would recommend, I can even connect you directly with one or two of dev teams, free of charge, cause I am a nice guy.

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Advice: Take any advice given here with a large pinch of salt. Especially when it comes to alt coins, which people have great incentive to promote irrespective of whether they have long term value. Lots of deluded people with great promises willing to take your money and deliver nothing.

But, bitcoin startups.

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Hello folks,
my company commissioned me to deal with the big "Bitcoin" topic a month ago.
Now when I feel I understood the technic aspects of bitcoin (and I find it amazing btw) I got an Investment Contract to do.
My team got a capital of 100k+.

So now is my question: In what should we invest? Mining hardware? Cloud mining? Bitcoin startups?
If someone of you guys can provide me a detailed plan with that I can work and present my OP I'm willed to pay 1 BTC.

If necessary I can provide a signed bitcoin address with 1 BTC.
And excuse my bad english please.

Kind Regards!

Just buy Bitcoin. Seriously, the mining business is risky as hell. Never invest in a new mining startup, as the chances for them to go bust is much too high now. Also they need a lot more money than just $100k. Seriously, just hold on to the coins and thank us later Smiley

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Be warned that Bitcoin as a whole is still a pretty woolly area legally.  The law wasn't ready for it, there's a lot of uncertainty, and there are, predictably, scammers and fraudsters trying to take advantage of that uncertainty.

It's been getting better lately as the law catches up a little and figures out how to do their jobs here. But the scammers are still around.  Making a bet that they're planning how to get you to "invest" your money in their next house in the Bahamas would be a pretty good investment.   Roll Eyes

That said?  An investment in mining could be a good idea if and only if you live in an area with heavily subsidized electrical utilities and/or can work out a sweetheart deal that gets you at least a 50% discount on electricity.  Some people are installing bitcoin miners as electric heaters in chilly areas, which gets them free electricity out of what homeowners or business owners are willing to pay for utility costs for heating. Otherwise, mining reliably loses money for two reasons.  First, because you're competing with people who do their mining in exactly those conditions.  And second, because at least a few of them are deliberately mining at a loss, either as an expensive way to speculate on a future price rise or as a premium they're willing to pay for the "virgin coins" they mine, which have no transaction history whatsoever and, if spent carefully, cannot be traced at all.  

Ummm, yeah, that probably means exactly what it sounds like it means if you're paying attention.  Like I said, you should be very careful about whom you do business with and what business you do, because the law is catching up and the sort of people who are likely to come to their attention are by no means gone.  

An investment in Bitcoin startups would be best for the community as a whole, but for the investor it's a risky play.  Could be astoundingly lucrative depending on what happens, but.... I guess it depends on how much money your coalition has to invest in the *whole* portfolio that determines how much you can put on something risky.  

Probably the most reliably profitable, least risky, and lowest-margin bitcoin business right now would be a currency exchange.  Right now there are dozens of players trying to be currency exchanges - and federal money transmitter laws are removing many of them from the business, so if you can navigate that legal maze the competition is getting weeded out for you as we speak.  But on that score you'd have to act pretty fast, because there are already some big players moving.  It's not just the Winklevii either; there are some sharper, faster-moving businessmen in some of those startups.  

Second on the list is people who supply payment services;  Joe merchant wants to accept Bitcoin at his truck stop bar & grill, but doesn't want the bother and complexity of managing it himself.  Payment services guy steps in and sets him up with the appropriate secured equipment, shows him how to use it, processes payments for him, etc.  Bitcoin here is a competitive advantage over Visa etc, because the per-transaction costs are lower.  That is, the bitcoin-to-bitcoin transaction costs are lower.  If you're paying an exchange to convert to and from other forms of money, you'll want to aggregate bitcoins to make fewer and smaller tx at the exchanges.  Or, you know, do vertical integration and be the exchange as well as the payment services provider.

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The best tip is hold your coins! Smiley

Don't invest in hardware!

Don't invest in "cloud mining".

Don't invest in securities!

Don't invest in altcoins!
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The best tip is hold your coins! Smiley

Don't invest in hardware!

Don't invest in "cloud mining".

Don't invest in securities!

Don't invest in altcoins!
I do not think that  your point number 1 is valid strategy for a company. They will have stagnant economy with little flow it is better to have business when you will be earning coins on daily basis.
Unless you have a lot of capital and and gearing for a long time strategy holding is not good option for business imo.


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I have sent a private message, I want to see if I may be of assistance.
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Come back in 2-5 years. Right now anyone who has 'invested' in anything ended up setting their money on fire in almost every single case. Any company worth investing in will not be originating on this forum.

Look elsewhere for organisations with real potential.
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Monitoring, statistical and data mining services for actuaries and factors.

Of course I gave you bad advice. Good one is way out of your price range.
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Take a look at Monero:

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Mining hardware?
Probably not. There are a lot of scams in the mining world as many manufacturers either do not deliver at all or are horribly delayed in delivering their miners. Even if you do receive hardware and on time, the difficulty is more or less expected to rise at a quick enough pace so that it is unlikely that you will achieve a return on your investment after considering electric costs.
Cloud mining?
This has similar problems as buying mining hardware, however almost all cloud mining companies are scams. The ones that are not outright scams eventually end up scamming. In addition to the issue of the difficulty rising, you will have additional expenses when "cloud mining" because an additional company will need to earn a profit
Bitcoin startups?
This would probably be the best of your options. Although you will need to ensure that you are not investing in a scam. The good thing about investing in a startup that is already somewhat established is that the startup will likely benefit/profit in the event that crypto currencies are successful in general - they don't need bitcoin specifically to be successful; this is important because although bitcoin is so far superior to other alt/shit coins it does not mean that a supperior coin will not come at one point in time. Two companies that come to mind are coinbase and circle.

Another option would be to invest in bitcoin ATM's (this has been mentioned once or twice already). When someone would buy or sell bitcoin at your ATM they would pay a slightly above or below (depending if they are buying or selling bitcoin to you) market price and you would get to keep the difference between the market price and the rate your customer pays/receives. You would probably want to keep both bitcoin and fiat at a major exchange in order to hedge transactions done at your ATM and can likely have it setup so that when someone buys bitcoin from your ATM that the bitcoin is automatically sold on the exchange so you do not have exchange rate risk

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Buy and hold, the best strategy beats everything else in fiat world (because of inflation), and it is even better in bitcoin world (fiat super inflation against bitcoin)

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With that size of funding maybe you can consider setting up a bitcoin exchanger site or a crypto currency trading platform. On top of that you could offer remittance services particularly in locations where there is a lot of foreign labor who has a need to send money abroad back to their home country. Or it could involve purely in crypto trading where right now the standard trading fee is something like 0.5%. You could get an experienced software developer to develop your own trading api platform and then hire people for the marketing part to promote your services. The most challenging part is perhaps how to maintain security to the wallets. You will need people with a lot of technical know how to guide you through on that.

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if you visit the "securities" section of this forum you will find every single one offered has caused its investors losses. the ones that haven't tanked are well on their way. its basically penny stocks in the 80s over there, avoid at all costs.

I would buy BTC and a hardware wallet. wait 5 years. that is all.

100k is not enough to get in on the promising btc businesses.

you could try leveraged trading with some of your btc, and if you are from finance you will know how to do it, but your safest bet is to hold btc.
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Interesting experiment and idea
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31eycl/what_if_you_had_a_billion_to_invest_in_bitcoin/cq0xh2i

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Mintcoin
No thanks. We do not need another altcoin, even better technologically that bitcoin. We just need strong and secure bitcoin. If we can achieve that future is ours, instead we are distracted by various projects with little chance of success. Look what happened to PayCoin would-be bitcoin killer.


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April 07, 2015, 07:08:18 AM
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I look for projects that serve as a platform that BTC businesses can interact with each other and their users. That way the parties can thrive on exposing BTC the most in the same platform. I see SendChat is achieving that by partnering with many parties and creating an app that would offer all their services. Having more of a chance to bring BTC to the main public.

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April 07, 2015, 07:14:41 AM
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I don't think the OP is serious, two posts, last active a week ago.
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April 07, 2015, 07:29:35 AM
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I don't think the OP is serious, two posts, last active a week ago.

go check out the picture in the buttercoin thread, that's him right now

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