Quickseller, trust abuse, innacurate negative ratings, unprofesional escrow...

[Twipple]

Incase you guys didn't notice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1043592.0

He gave another account on the basis of it being an alt of worshipper.

I find that really misuse of trust. Even though someone like worshipper didn't deserve it for just backing out of an escrow, it really didn't make him a scammer. But giving it to his alt and other accounts seems foolish and quickseller just trying to take revenge right now.

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[tspacepilot]

Incase you guys didn't notice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1043592.0

He gave another account on the basis of it being an alt of worshipper.

I find that really misuse of trust. Even though someone like worshipper didn't deserve it for just backing out of an escrow, it really didn't make him a scammer. But giving it to his alt and other accounts seems foolish and quickseller just trying to take revenge right now.

He took revenge on me for simply calling him out for his hot temper.   I think it's his primary MO (modus operandi).

[TECSHARE]

Incase you guys didn't notice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1043592.0

He gave another account on the basis of it being an alt of worshipper.

I find that really misuse of trust. Even though someone like worshipper didn't deserve it for just backing out of an escrow, it really didn't make him a scammer. But giving it to his alt and other accounts seems foolish and quickseller just trying to take revenge right now.

He took revenge on me for simply calling him out for his hot temper.   I think it's his primary MO (modus operandi).

When they claim some one like me does this one time, it is an unacceptable abuse of the default trust and multiple people must be contacted directly by staff to ask for my removal from default trust. When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months, it is perfectly acceptable to people like Tomatocage and Badbear (two people responsible for these users still being on the default trust list) pretend like they had a serious talk with the user and give them a "2nd chance" dozens of times. Badbear is doing the same with Quickseller.

Overall I respect the way Tomatocage conducts himself, but the #1 reason I am losing respect for him is because he continues to protect Vod in spite of his repeated pattern of abusive behavior. When individuals of authority here want to enforce the rules, they do so as an "individual" not staff or moderators, when they want to let their buddies slide they "don't moderate the trust". It is amazing how versatile things are when you don't have any public rules that everyone has to follow to hold you back from a hard day of selective enforcement.

[Vod]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

FINALLY I'm not alone! 

[TECSHARE]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

FINALLY I'm not alone!  

That is not an accomplishment.

Nepotism? In MY Bitcointalk? Unthinkable!

But here's a more practical question: Now that you understand the lay of the land, after restating your case multiple times to the same people, people who're clearly invested in maintaining the status quo, what is it you plan to accomplish?

I will assume you are talking to me since you didn't bother quoting. What I hope to accomplish is to make it evident to as many people as possible how little the rules mean around here to those in charge when they don't like the implications of enforcing them, while at the same time they scream at the top of their lungs how important the rules are to keeping the forum running well. What do you hope to accomplish by asking such a pointless question? (P.S., nice sock puppet)

[TheButterZone]

I will assume you are talking to me since you didn't bother quoting. What I hope to accomplish is to make it evident to as many people as possible how little the rules mean around here to those in charge when they don't like the implications of enforcing them, while at the same time they scream at the top of their lungs how important the rules are to keeping the forum running well. What do you hope to accomplish by asking such a pointless question? (P.S., nice sock puppet)

You're trying to convince the guy who stole your wallet (and his friends) that he's a thief.

No, he's not. He's doing what he said he's doing in his second sentence that you quoted and ignored. Except it seems that his actual intended audience, "as many people as possible", gives zero fucks as well, or at least has no way to show giving a fuck.

You can lead horses to water but you can't make them drink.

[worhiper_-_]

I see people are still posting here. I'm desperately busy with finals in my uni atm, I'll join you in a couple of weeks time. 

[tspacepilot]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

I'm not sure what happened between you and Vod, TECSHARE, but I observe two differences between Quickseller and Vod:

1) While Vod is out to get people who sell microsoft keys, he makes no bones about this.  It's his stated motivation and it's easy enough to remove him from your list if you're not worried about microsoft stuff
2) Vod seems to admit that sometimes he's wrong or hasty, he even has a link offering people to remove the negative trust he gave them if they stop selling the keys.  I've never seen quickseller back down on a single point or admit he was wrong, ever.

To me, those differences are substantial.

[nutildah]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

FINALLY I'm not alone! 

Vod you have way more credibility and moral fabric than Quickseller. I trust your ratings infinitely more than I trust anything QS does.

[Vod]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

FINALLY I'm not alone! 

Vod you have way more credibility and moral fabric than Quickseller. I trust your ratings infinitely more than I trust anything QS does.

Thanks, but it's still nice to have another name thrown into the BS lies.  Makes me feel less "singled out". 

[Bicknellski]

I will assume you are talking to me since you didn't bother quoting. What I hope to accomplish is to make it evident to as many people as possible how little the rules mean around here to those in charge when they don't like the implications of enforcing them, while at the same time they scream at the top of their lungs how important the rules are to keeping the forum running well. What do you hope to accomplish by asking such a pointless question? (P.S., nice sock puppet)

You're trying to convince the guy who stole your wallet (and his friends) that he's a thief.

No, he's not. He's doing what he said he's doing in his second sentence that you quoted and ignored. Except it seems that his actual intended audience, "as many people as possible", gives zero fucks as well, or at least has no way to show giving a fuck.

You can lead horses to water but you can't make them drink.

I care.

I just want to see who supports whom and that gives me a much better idea who Adam Allcock aka Dogie is tied to on the default trust list. As for the VOD TECSHARE hatred I am sure reasonable people could find a solution if they would be reasonable. Guessing they both hate scammers and the trust issue is just conflated pissing in the wind contest. I am more interested in the scummy hidden scammers or those who just do enough to game the forums for their benefit without any ethics whatsoever. Hiding in plain site right under the scam busters noses. There is a putrid stench that permeates these forums and Vod and Tecshare battling is a distraction.

[tspacepilot]

I will assume you are talking to me since you didn't bother quoting. What I hope to accomplish is to make it evident to as many people as possible how little the rules mean around here to those in charge when they don't like the implications of enforcing them, while at the same time they scream at the top of their lungs how important the rules are to keeping the forum running well. What do you hope to accomplish by asking such a pointless question? (P.S., nice sock puppet)

You're trying to convince the guy who stole your wallet (and his friends) that he's a thief.

No, he's not. He's doing what he said he's doing in his second sentence that you quoted and ignored. Except it seems that his actual intended audience, "as many people as possible", gives zero fucks as well, or at least has no way to show giving a fuck.

You can lead horses to water but you can't make them drink.

I care.

I just want to see who supports whom and that gives me a much better idea who Adam Allcock aka Dogie is tied to on the default trust list. As for the VOD TECSHARE hatred I am sure reasonable people could find a solution if they would be reasonable. Guessing they both hate scammers and the trust issue is just conflated pissing in the wind contest. I am more interested in the scummy hidden scammers or those who just do enough to game the forums for their benefit without any ethics whatsoever. Hiding in plain site right under the scam busters noses. There is a putrid stench that permeates these forums and Vod and Tecshare battling is a distraction.

Since this thread is actually about what Quickseller has done to worhipper_-_ (neg repping him for not going through with a trade when all parties weren't agreed on terms), do you have any opinion on QS behavior on these forums?

[Bicknellski]

I think QS is a piece of shit shill paid to promote and prop up Adam Allcock. Or could likely be Adam Allcock given the same types of posting patterns.

Either way he is an ANONYMOUS entity that no one in their right minds should be giving money in escrow to. I posted  my trust rating on him go see.

I will assume you are talking to me since you didn't bother quoting. What I hope to accomplish is to make it evident to as many people as possible how little the rules mean around here to those in charge when they don't like the implications of enforcing them, while at the same time they scream at the top of their lungs how important the rules are to keeping the forum running well. What do you hope to accomplish by asking such a pointless question? (P.S., nice sock puppet)

You're trying to convince the guy who stole your wallet (and his friends) that he's a thief.

No, he's not. He's doing what he said he's doing in his second sentence that you quoted and ignored. Except it seems that his actual intended audience, "as many people as possible", gives zero fucks as well, or at least has no way to show giving a fuck.

You can lead horses to water but you can't make them drink.

I care.

I just want to see who supports whom and that gives me a much better idea who Adam Allcock aka Dogie is tied to on the default trust list. As for the VOD TECSHARE hatred I am sure reasonable people could find a solution if they would be reasonable. Guessing they both hate scammers and the trust issue is just conflated pissing in the wind contest. I am more interested in the scummy hidden scammers or those who just do enough to game the forums for their benefit without any ethics whatsoever. Hiding in plain site right under the scam busters noses. There is a putrid stench that permeates these forums and Vod and Tecshare battling is a distraction.

Since this thread is actually about what Quickseller has done to worhipper_-_ (neg repping him for not going through with a trade when all parties weren't agreed on terms), do you have any opinion on QS behavior on these forums?

[TECSHARE]

When people like Quickseller or Vod do it over and over during a period of months

I'm not sure what happened between you and Vod, TECSHARE, but I observe two differences between Quickseller and Vod:

1) While Vod is out to get people who sell microsoft keys, he makes no bones about this.  It's his stated motivation and it's easy enough to remove him from your list if you're not worried about microsoft stuff
2) Vod seems to admit that sometimes he's wrong or hasty, he even has a link offering people to remove the negative trust he gave them if they stop selling the keys.  I've never seen quickseller back down on a single point or admit he was wrong, ever.

To me, those differences are substantial.

If you actually care to know one of the many reasons I take issue with Vods behavior, there is more than you care to bother to read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0;all

In short I criticized him openly for being abusive of his position of the default trust, and he proved he was not abusive by leaving me a negative rating claiming I lied about him. It just started out as me talking about him but then he took the offensive by harming my trust rating because he did not agree with my opinions. Rather than debating it on the forum like an adult he decided he would rather swing his weight around as usual and again abuse his position to attempt to intimidate me into silence.

I believe Quickseller is guilty of the same type of behavior, and in fact I have seen Quickseller change his ratings and admit he was wrong more than once (not that it excuses it). On the other hand Vod usually just blocks people whom he negative rates, and refuses to talk to them for over a month even if he does. I Wouldn't describe that as tolerance. I certainly have only seen him change his ratings a handful of times, a very small percentage of the negative ratings he spews out endlessly.

In the end both of these users engage in "scambusting" as a method of pumping up their own trust ratings which then gives them even more power to abuse users. This is nothing more than another method of trust farming only at the expense of other random users getting caught in the mad dash to collect trust ratings.

[Vod]

On the other hand Vod usually just blocks people whom he negative rates, and refuses to talk to them for over a month even if he does.

Obviously you are just lying/making assumptions, unless you have a number of scammer accounts that I have negative rated and then blocked as proof?  Or do you accept scammer's words as fact when they tell you anything anti-Vod?

In any case, we now have an enemy scammer in common - Armis.  I suggest we become best friends to tackle the bigger issue.  

[Bicknellski]

On the other hand Vod usually just blocks people whom he negative rates, and refuses to talk to them for over a month even if he does.

Obviously you are just lying/making assumptions, unless you have a number of scammer accounts that I have negative rated and then blocked as proof?  Or do you accept scammer's words as fact when they tell you anything anti-Vod?

In any case, we now have an enemy scammer in common - Armis.  I suggest we become best friends to tackle the bigger issue.  

That would be good.

How about having a long look at Adam Allcock aka Dogie's VAT and Mail Fraud while you are at it or Loshia who fed Technobit's fraud or how about Thomas S. who help feed the Minersource fraud by Bobsag3 aka Matt Carson a good pal of Dogie, Loshia and Quickseller.

[TECSHARE]

On the other hand Vod usually just blocks people whom he negative rates, and refuses to talk to them for over a month even if he does.

Obviously you are just lying/making assumptions, unless you have a number of scammer accounts that I have negative rated and then blocked as proof?  Or do you accept scammer's words as fact when they tell you anything anti-Vod?

In any case, we now have an enemy scammer in common - Armis.  I suggest we become best friends to tackle the bigger issue.  

I see people complaining about you blocking them and refusing to discuss your ratings all the time. I am sure it is easy to forget about with how often it happens. I was not your enemy until you negative rated me, up until that point I simply had things to say about your behavior that annoyed you. If you don't want to be my enemy then I think you know what actions you need to take. Otherwise take your pretender act elsewhere.

[tspacepilot]

On the other hand Vod usually just blocks people whom he negative rates, and refuses to talk to them for over a month even if he does.

Obviously you are just lying/making assumptions, unless you have a number of scammer accounts that I have negative rated and then blocked as proof?  Or do you accept scammer's words as fact when they tell you anything anti-Vod?

In any case, we now have an enemy scammer in common - Armis.  I suggest we become best friends to tackle the bigger issue.  

I see people complaining about you blocking them and refusing to discuss your ratings all the time. I am sure it is easy to forget about with how often it happens. I was not your enemy until you negative rated me, up until that point I simply had things to say about your behavior that annoyed you. If you don't want to be my enemy then I think you know what actions you need to take. Otherwise take your pretender act elsewhere.

Well, thanks for the links, TECSHARE, I may try to look into that further when I get a chance.  In the meantime, I just want to remind everyone that the best thing we can do for now about people on default trust who are causing issues is to remove them from our trust lists.  As I understand it, all it takes is
two people to put

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~Quickseller

into their trust lists and the problem (with him at least) will be temporarily solved.  Vod, do you trust Quickseller?

[cathoderay]

PFT:

What conclusions do you think can be made with either the above results or with results with your software?

Nothing at all. Apart from Adam Allcock & yourself following each other around, swapping spit & posting exactly the same thing as each other in an effort to cover up the fact that you both (correctly) have multiple trust abuse claims against you in this very thread. Not to mention his obvious scam thread where you keep posting for him 

It's ironic that probably the two worst trust abusers on the forum keep harping on about how trustworthy they think they are, when it took me less than a minute to count a combined total of at least 6 dedicated threads here complaining of trust abuse by both of you towards forum members - & that's not including the many more posts complaining about you both in many, many other threads.

This has all the hallmarks of becoming another quickseller/dogie love-in thread. Let it die before that happens.

Someone save us 

I'll not bump the other Quickseller/dogie complaint threads - just making a point 

[dogie]

PFT:

What conclusions do you think can be made with either the above results or with results with your software?

Nothing at all. Apart from dogie & yourself following each other around, swapping spit & posting exactly the same thing as each other in an effort to cover up the fact that you both (correctly) have multiple trust abuse claims against you in this very thread. Not to mention his obvious scam thread where you keep posting for him 

It's ironic that probably the two worst trust abusers on the forum keep harping on about how trustworthy they think they are, when it took me less than a minute to count a combined total of at least 6 dedicated threads here complaining of trust abuse by both of you towards forum members - & that's not including the many more posts complaining about you both in many, many other threads.

This has all the hallmarks of becoming another quickseller/dogie love-in thread. Let it die before that happens.

Someone save us 

I'll not bump the other Quickseller/dogie complaint threads - just making a point 

By copy and pasting the same oped post by a shill account in 3 places?