Why charge me?

[bitcoun.user.z]

I had recently registered in this forum but I received this  message:

Your IP address has previously been used for evil on this forum, or it is a known proxy/VPN/Tor exit node, so you are required to pay a small fee before you are able to post messages or send PMs. You can still use all of the read-only features without paying.
Your account contains 200.00 units of evil. To atone, you must pay a total of 0.00804568 bitcoins (8.04568 mBTC; 804568 satoshi). Pay to the address 1FmoVtRgPyWWzXbFPkadkisjs9QVE9ex7F. Once you have paid the full amount, wait a few seconds and then reload this page. If the fee is so small that your wallet is unable to send it, you can send any larger amount, though you will not be refunded the difference.
Alternatively, any forum staff member and some other notable members can manually whitelist you. Paying the fee is probably easier/quicker, though.
If you don't have any bitcoins, you can get small amounts of free bitcoins using the sites listed here. It is recommended that you give the free bitcoin sites the address listed above. Do not collect money in your own wallet and then send the bitcoins to the forum -- this will likely result in significant network fees.
If you find any bugs in this system, email pbbugs-...@.... You will be permanently banned if you send email here requesting free whitelisting.

However when I reboot my modem and register again, it don't have this message. Why?

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[bitcoun.user.z]

Update: after few minutes and when I check the account, it said that it was banned for no posts! Why?!

[Amph]

well the answer is there, you used tor(or a proxy with your modem) for your account, and that ip was using for bad things apparently

probably the ban is because you used the same ip to register two accounts, without paying for the first

[dquancey]

Update: after few minutes and when I check the account, it said that it was banned for no posts! Why?!

Gives you the reason there? Doesn't it?

[guitarplinker]

If you're sharing the internet with others who browse this forum, or signed up on a public connection that could be why. I've heard that the only reason users have to pay to sign up is because there has been a previous ban on their IP, or that it's a Tor exit node.

Also, are you using a VPN? If you are then that's probably why you're being asked to pay for signing up. Chances are that accounts registered on the VPN's IP have been banned before.

[bitcoun.user.z]

If you're sharing the internet with others who browse this forum, or signed up on a public connection that could be why. I've heard that the only reason users have to pay to sign up is because there has been a previous ban on their IP, or that it's a Tor exit node.

Also, are you using a VPN? If you are then that's probably why you're being asked to pay for signing up. Chances are that accounts registered on the VPN's IP have been banned before.

I am using a local network provider which gives me random IP addresses everytime I reboot the modem. So that's maybe why I can register this account for no problem.

[notlist3d]

If you're sharing the internet with others who browse this forum, or signed up on a public connection that could be why. I've heard that the only reason users have to pay to sign up is because there has been a previous ban on their IP, or that it's a Tor exit node.

Also, are you using a VPN? If you are then that's probably why you're being asked to pay for signing up. Chances are that accounts registered on the VPN's IP have been banned before.

I am using a local network provider which gives me random IP addresses everytime I reboot the modem. So that's maybe why I can register this account for no problem.

That would be a very slim amount of people who have this. You might email if this is true.

The vast majority are IP's for tor, vpn, etc that were used for something bad.  In a lot of cases I would guess spamming a company.

[BadBear]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

[bitcoun.user.z]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

I don't have those accounts. I am just new to bitcoin, and I wanted to join as a faucet user so I don't have any coins now. Fortunately I can use this account without paying.
Thanks!

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

So...
Buying extra accounts is legit
Selling accounts is legit.
Making "constructive posts" to get paid by signature campaigns is legit.
but
Making "constructive posts" to sell and get paid for your account is not?

I'm sure this isn't because most of this forum's staff makes money off both account sales & signature advertising, though I can't quite put a finger on what else it could be.

This account will self-destruct soon as BadBear logs on

What does that bolded part mean?

[micky123]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

Am I to understand that you can buy your way back onto the forum?? That sounds legit

This is interesting, at first glance, that email / post looked like a phishing email to me. Badbear though gives it credence by saying that the email is legit! If this is true, then we need to have a serious re-look at the rules. We should not be allowing scammers / account farmers to buy their way in. They will do the exact thing that got them banned in the first place and may get them banned again, but not before scamming more people! Perma ban should be a perma ban imo. Also, what are these funds being used for? Development of the forum?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

Am I to understand that you can buy your way back onto the forum?? That sounds legit

This is interesting, at first glance, that email / post looked like a phishing email to me. Badbear though gives it credence by saying that the email is legit! If this is true, then we need to have a serious re-look at the rules. We should not be allowing scammers / account farmers to buy their way in. They will do the exact thing that got them banned in the first place and may get them banned again, but not before scamming more people! Perma ban should be a perma ban imo. Also, what are these funds being used for? Development of the forum?

Same. I thought it was fiction at first. What are units of evil? 

[Superhitech]

Spammer, account farmer. Fee is because I banned all your accounts a little while ago, besides one.

Am I to understand that you can buy your way back onto the forum?? That sounds legit

This is interesting, at first glance, that email / post looked like a phishing email to me. Badbear though gives it credence by saying that the email is legit! If this is true, then we need to have a serious re-look at the rules. We should not be allowing scammers / account farmers to buy their way in. They will do the exact thing that got them banned in the first place and may get them banned again, but not before scamming more people! Perma ban should be a perma ban imo. Also, what are these funds being used for? Development of the forum?

Same. I thought it was fiction at first. What are units of evil? 

Here is a description of units of evil as said by theymos:

When you register, the IP that you used when you submitted the registration form is used to calculate your evilness. The more frequently this IP or its neighbors were banned, the more evil is associated with your account. The amount of evil associated with an IP decays slowly over time, but the amount of evil associated with an account does not. You must pay or be manually whitelisted to enable posting on one of these "banned" accounts.

Here are some stats:

Evil	% new users
0	53
0-1	35
1-10	4.4
10-20	0.80
20-50	2.2
50-100	1.3
100+	2.9

Currently each unit of evil requires a payment of 4023 satoshi. You only need to pay something if you have 1 or more, though.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

This sounds like the more money you have the more you can be banned and buy your way back in?









@gadman2. I put it more delicate; I still don't know how many evil units I have hanging over me

[gadman2]

I had never heard of this before this thread. Sounds like a load of horseshit and a terrible decision...

[bitkilo]

Never heard of these "units of evil" before, is there anyway we can check what our current level of evil is? Don't think i should have any on my account, never been banned before.
Is there a sticky relating to this?

[tspacepilot]

Never heard of these "units of evil" before, is there anyway we can check what our current level of evil is? Don't think i should have any on my account, never been banned before.
Is there a sticky relating to this?

Yah, I feel the same way.  While the fact that I can post and whatnot obviously means that I don't have too much evil.  I'd love to know my evilness just for trivia.  Who knows, maybe I'd pay a fee just to become atoned completely.  I have a little bitcoin.

[BadBear]

It's not for banned users, it's for innocent users who are wrongfully caught in an ip ban, or who want to use a proxy, like tor.  Some people abuse it to make new accounts after being banned. Paying the fee to register an account does not magically make previous offenses okay, it's still ban evasion.

[hilariousandco]

Never heard of these "units of evil" before, is there anyway we can check what our current level of evil is? Don't think i should have any on my account, never been banned before.
Is there a sticky relating to this?

Yah, I feel the same way.  While the fact that I can post and whatnot obviously means that I don't have too much evil.  I'd love to know my evilness just for trivia.  Who knows, maybe I'd pay a fee just to become atoned completely.  I have a little bitcoin.

If you wanted to know how much 'evil' you have if any just create a new account on your connection and it will tell you but it's only really proxies and tor and multiple spammers that usually have their connections banned. If you're posting from your own private connection and haven't been banned multiple times before then you're probably ok and won't have any units. You can still posts from a banned connection just not sign up from it as well. Sign up with a 'clean' proxy or connection then you're free to continue posting on the 'dirty' one.

[bitcoun.user.z]

It's not for banned users, it's for innocent users who are wrongfully caught in an ip ban, or who want to use a proxy, like tor.  Some people abuse it to make new accounts after being banned. Paying the fee to register an account does not magically make previous offenses okay, it's still ban evasion.

That means I am the innocent one? Hope no others will become this because of the evils. However it is still a good way for preventing spams.