Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST!

[SOSLOVE868]

I sell my most PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something..only small amount of it at 0.6-0.99...I only made 5 BTC lose there...

No you didn't. Remember that all trades are public. You are a liar either now or before, but you just revealed yourself to be undeniably a liar.

Earlier, you wrote:

The answer is also important...as I hold about 500 contracts

Since that date, only 72 bonds have been traded at above 0.1. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt because you may have meant 'I held' (I know English is not your primary language), I'm fairly certain that I can easily see when your panic started, which was on June 3 around 21:00 BTCT time. Since then, only 232 bonds have been sold above 0.1.

320 bonds have been sold below 0.9, though, so if you sold all your 500 bonds, that means someone else sold 52 bonds either below or above 0.1. In other words, you alone sold 90% of the bonds, and roughly 50% of your holdings were sold below 0.1.

You cannot possibly have sold 'most [your] PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something' because there hasn't been that many sales. Either you lie about your trades or your holdings, but you are undeniably a liar, and now you ask newbie investors to trust you. *tsk*

You shame yourself!

Further, someone, and I strongly suspect you been manipulating the prices by doing a 1-bond sale at market just after a market buy. That may be someone else looking to pick up your shares, so I won't hold that against you, but it's clear that you are the only one in a state of panic. When the rest of the world does not think the same thing you do, it is more often than not you who are wrong.

You can hold your PAJKA bonds...I think three months later You will believe I am right...
under current difficulty PAJKA bond will take 4500 days to recover what you have invested now....(based on 10% difficulty increase each 12 days)
Please, you think you are right...let's say if after two week ,you still can sold you asset above 0.1,I mean market average selling price over last week) then I will accepted I am wrong...

Your math sucks and your investor-foo is weak.

Go away, troll!

.b

We will see after two weeks what the price of PAJKA bond will be.......I do not calculate anything I just use the calculation provides by the web-site. It use the formula compound the decline rate at 10 % increase of difficulty at each 12 days...I know it is unfair advantage because all the calculator your uses ignoring the factors that difficulty will increase after time...therefore You assume my math is suck...
http://mining.btcfans.com/
The website is above anyone who know Chinese ,or willing to do a translate of the website(you could found out by yourself by putting 3/Mhash rate   per cost of 0.1 btc paid) if anyone think 4500 days is acceptable...... I am alright...then I made a mistake...I never think a investment repays me for 10 years time is a safe investment......!
I think sooner you will start worry about your contracts.... the market will tells everthing, before the market make their own judgement, please do not attack my knowledge and my perception...you can argue and debate with me ,but not personal attack...thanks

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[furuknap]

We will see after two weeks what the price of PAJKA bond will be.......

You do realize that the price of PAJKA has been fairly steady for months prior to your stupidity, right? It's been hovering between 0.1 and 0.11 for a very long time and guess what's been happening to the difficulty during that time? That's right, Sherlock, it has been going up, rapidly. The network hashrate and difficulty has gone up 500% over the previous couple of months. Your 25% panic is a sign that you have absolutely no shread of knowledge about what you're saying. That's why I attack it because you insist on repeating the same nonsense again and again. Low volume is the reason your panic managed to drive the price down a bit temporarily, not that everyone has been completely oblivious to what's been going on in mining over the previous months.

And when you clearly lie, I point that out. Someone who paints is a painter, somone who bakes is a baker, and someone who lies is a liar.

I do not calculate anything I just use the calculation provides by the web-site. the use the formula compound the decline rate at 10 % increase at each 12 days...I know it is unfair advantage because all the calculator your uses ignoring the factors that difficulty will increase after time...therefore You assume my math is sack...

You have no idea what calculations I use. Your math sucks because you don't understand what you're investing in and thus have no idea how to apply that math. If I say that 2+2=4 and not 6 then I'm right, but that doesn't mean squat in terms of investing unless you know where to apply those numbers, something you've clearly demonstrated that you don't.

you can argue and debate with me ,but not personal attack...thanks

I attack your stupidity and lies and failed attempts at FUD. Whether you exhibit those behaviors is up to you, not me. You can stop being an idiot at any time you choose but instead you're stubborn, act like a child, and start lying.

This may be a culture shock to you, that someone confronts your attutide and behavior in this way. You may expect to get away with market manipulation, but that's not how it works in the real world. It's time to grow up, look yourself in the mirror, and think whether your feelings of hurt is really relevant to anyone but yourself and your mother.

Maintaining a stupid behavior when the stupidity has been clearly pointed out is a sign of fundamental stupidity. Your choice, not mine.

.b

[SOSLOVE868]

We will see after two weeks what the price of PAJKA bond will be.......

You do realize that the price of PAJKA has been fairly steady for months prior to your stupidity, right? It's been hovering between 0.1 and 0.11 for a very long time and guess what's been happening to the difficulty during that time? That's right, Sherlock, it has been going up, rapidly. The network hashrate and difficulty has gone up 500% over the previous couple of months. Your 25% panic is a sign that you have absolutely no shread of knowledge about what you're saying. That's why I attack it because you insist on repeating the same nonsense again and again. Low volume is the reason your panic managed to drive the price down a bit temporarily, not that everyone has been completely oblivious to what's been going on in mining over the previous months.

And when you clearly lie, I point that out. Someone who paints is a painter, somone who bakes is a baker, and someone who lies is a liar.

I do not calculate anything I just use the calculation provides by the web-site. the use the formula compound the decline rate at 10 % increase at each 12 days...I know it is unfair advantage because all the calculator your uses ignoring the factors that difficulty will increase after time...therefore You assume my math is sack...

You have no idea what calculations I use. Your math sucks because you don't understand what you're investing in and thus have no idea how to apply that math. If I say that 2+2=4 and not 6 then I'm right, but that doesn't mean squat in terms of investing unless you know where to apply those numbers, something you've clearly demonstrated that you don't.

you can argue and debate with me ,but not personal attack...thanks

I attack your stupidity and lies and failed attempts at FUD. Whether you exhibit those behaviors is up to you, not me. You can stop being an idiot at any time you choose but instead you're stubborn, act like a child, and start lying.

This may be a culture shock to you, that someone confronts your attutide and behavior in this way. You may expect to get away with market manipulation, but that's not how it works in the real world. It's time to grow up, look yourself in the mirror, and think whether your feelings of hurt is really relevant to anyone but yourself and your mother.

Maintaining a stupid behavior when the stupidity has been clearly pointed out is a sign of fundamental stupidity. Your choice, not mine.

.b

I calculate fully for you...actually I really do not want to do...it really cost me time ...but you are really stupid and stubborn enough.

Expected dividends to be paid by the issuer(after 6 months): use conservatively 15% increase of difficulty and increase each 12 days. (last time difficulty went up 26%) :  During the 6 months difficulty will adjusted by 180 days/12 =15 times
1:(12 days each): Current dividend is 0.46541752 per day for total 4814 shares. 15%increase of difficulty equals roughly 15% decrease of dividend.
2:                                                0.46541752*0.85=0.395605
3:                                                0.395605*0.85=0.33626425
4:                                                0.33626425*0.85=0.2858246125  
5:                                                0.2858246125*0.85=0.242950
6:                                                0.242950*0.85=0.2065
7:                                                0.2065*0.85=0.1755
8:                                                0.1755*0.85=0.1492
9:                                                0.1492*0.85=0.1268
10:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.1078
11:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.09163
12:                                              0.09163*0.85=0.07788
13:                                              0.07788*0.85=0.0662
14:                                              0.0662*0.85= 0.056
15:                                              0.056*0.85=0.04783    
Accumulated total dividends paid by the issuer: =2.831358*12=33.97 .gives it 35....OK? assume that issuer sold all contracts at 0.1 total 4841 equal to 481 BTC.
 the first half year you will have 7.06%(and continued decrease ) ROI on this asset....No capital gain or loss been calculate so far.....

Assuming half years later , if you are the issuer of this bond, what decision will you made ? continuing this bond and pays on needless dividend to those bond contract holder or pays 110% of market price to buying it back? .. assume the contract is still worth 0.1 half year later .what will you do ? If I am the bond holder I will absolutely continued my contracts because in the future I will pay less dividend . as the time goes, difficulty will continue growth....almost zero cost for the issuer to continued the contract . Am I correct?  
We assuming all investors are rational, they will only investing in the project which will maximize its profit... and this will caused another problem I want to sold out my bond contract , but no one will buying it ,because they have better opportunity.(TAT.V for example) (Logically right ?)
As a bondholder like you what is you decision ? you will selling your contract today to prevent future lose , or hold it wait for fools to buying it?

My calculation could be wrong ,but I still happy about my decision...and hope you will good luck on your bond contract...there are premium advantage been taken by the issuer, I do not have better choice to prevent future lose !!!

[furuknap]

Am I correct?  

No, you are not, and saying the same wrong thing a lot of times doesn't make it right.

When I told you that an issuer would never want to increase the payments, you were as stubborn and wrong then too, until I wrote an article to explain it to you, at which point you completely freaked out and sold at up to a 45% loss.

.b

[SOSLOVE868]

Am I correct?  

No, you are not, and saying the same wrong thing a lot of times doesn't make it right.

When I told you that an issuer would never want to increase the payments, you were as stubborn and wrong then too, until I wrote an article to explain it to you, at which point you completely freaked out and sold at up to a 45% loss.

.b

only net loss 5.3 below is my transaction I do not know how to upload picture ...but I am not liar.....if you think you are right then time will tell...

2013-06-07 21:25:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   16   0.06   0.00192   0.95808
2013-06-07 21:25:33   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.0605   0.000484   0.241516
2013-06-07 21:25:32   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.061   0.000488   0.243512
2013-06-07 21:25:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   15   0.07   0.0021   1.0479
2013-06-07 21:25:29   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:25   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   3   0.0721   0.0004326   0.2158674
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.073   0.00146   0.72854
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   6   0.073001   0.00087601   0.43712998
2013-06-07 21:00:38   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.089631   0.00017926   0.08945173
2013-06-06 21:19:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.095   0.0019   0.9481
2013-06-06 21:19:21   PAJKA.BOND   sell   8   0.095   0.00152   0.75848
2013-06-06 11:48:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.101   0.00202   1.00798
2013-06-06 06:55:26   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.101   0.000202   0.100798
2013-06-06 04:52:51   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.099   0.00495   2.47005
2013-06-06 04:52:49   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.0991   0.001982   0.989018
2013-06-06 04:52:48   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.099101   0.0001982   0.09890279
2013-06-05 22:38:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.106001   0.000212   0.10578899
2013-06-05 18:06:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.10897   0.00021794   0.10875206
2013-06-05 04:56:28   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.10897   0.0010897   0.5437603
2013-06-05 01:41:59   PAJKA.BOND   sell   26   0.10897   0.00566644   2.82755356
2013-06-04 00:11:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.099   0.00198   0.98802
2013-06-04 00:11:37   PAJKA.BOND   sell   20   0.099   0.00396   1.97604
2013-06-04 00:11:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   2   0.0991   0.0003964   0.1978036
2013-06-03 23:29:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.109498   0.00021899   0.109279
2013-06-03 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   2   0.109499   0.00043799   0.21943599
2013-06-03 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   100   0.102   0.0204   10.1796
2013-06-03 21:25:14   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.102001   0.00428404   2.13773695
2013-06-03 21:25:09   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.1035   0.001035   0.516465
2013-06-03 21:25:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.105   0.00525   2.61975
2013-06-03 21:25:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:24:56   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:10:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   13   0.1084   0.0028184   1.4063816
2013-06-03 21:10:19   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.1086   0.002172   1.083828
2013-06-03 21:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.10861   0.00086888   0.43357112
2013-06-03 21:09:42   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.1087   0.0019566   0.9763434
2013-06-03 21:03:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.109   0.004578   2.284422
2013-06-03 21:03:35   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.109   0.001962   0.979038
2013-06-03 19:50:47   PAJKA.BOND   sell   40   0.1098   0.008784   4.383216
2013-06-03 19:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.1098   0.0002196   0.1095804
2013-06-01 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-30 22:45:07   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.11   0.00022   0.11022
2013-05-28 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10901   0.00021802   0.10922802
2013-05-26 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.109989   0.00021997   0.11020897
2013-05-24 22:45:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-22 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108987   0.00021797   0.10920497
2013-05-21 10:44:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108989   0.00021797   0.10920697
2013-05-20 12:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10899   0.00021798   0.10920798
2013-05-17 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1049   0.0002098   0.1051098
2013-05-16 06:39:35   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10521
2013-05-13 21:29:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1059   0.0002118   0.1061118
2013-05-12 00:50:24   PAJKA.BOND   buy   104   0.109998   0.02287958   11.46267158
2013-05-12 00:48:53   PAJKA.BOND   buy   107   0.1098   0.0234972   11.7720972
2013-05-12 00:46:22   PAJKA.BOND   option-buy   228   0.07   0   15.96

[SOSLOVE868]

Am I correct?  

No, you are not, and saying the same wrong thing a lot of times doesn't make it right.

When I told you that an issuer would never want to increase the payments, you were as stubborn and wrong then too, until I wrote an article to explain it to you, at which point you completely freaked out and sold at up to a 45% loss.

.b

Check out copy from my trading.... I made a mistake in the begin I bought someone's option 227 at 0.1125, but I really only loss 5.7 in total sell...
10%...which I noticed their is not future for holding it. I did step by step calculation for you ,why you still not understand it?? Please convince me which part of my calculation went wrong ? Mr.doctor for PAJKA BOND or PMB....

[furuknap]

Check out copy from my trading.... I made a mistake in the begin I bought someone's option 227 at 0.1125, but I really only loss 5.7 in total sell...

So that buyer was you. How fun, I was the seller on a lot of what you bought on May 12. Now I bought the shares back at close to half the price.



Sucks to not do your homework, doesn't it?

Next time you haphasardly head into an investment, like I offered previouisly, just send me the money directly, I'd be happy to save your from the public embarassement.

.b

[SOSLOVE868]

Check out copy from my trading.... I made a mistake in the begin I bought someone's option 227 at 0.1125, but I really only loss 5.7 in total sell...

So that buyer was you. How fun, I was the seller on a lot of what you bought on May 12. Now I bought the shares back at close to half the price.



Sucks to not do your homework, doesn't it?

Next time you haphasardly head into an investment, like I offered previouisly, just send me the money directly, I'd be happy to save your from the public embarassement.

.b

Never mind , 5btc is the cost to pay for what I have learned .
Only I pray for you the shares you bought today will far decrease its value.i hope you will shorting out them in the future or waiting for another fish coming. Only one person will benefit from this game is the issuer.I am totally ok for what I loss .since AM price was double since last month which account for 80%of my stock.

[TsuyokuNaritai]

Guys, get a room!

Thread re-railed & useful again in 3... 2... 1...

[Peter Lambert]

Guys, get a room!

Thread re-railed & useful again in 3... 2... 1...

Wow, talk about going off on a tangent. That was a whole lot of useless bickering and name calling, and I am still not sure what they were arguing about? Please don't answer that question, I am better of not knowing.

Anyway, back to the original topic...

Did everybody see how Mircea Popescue just raised something like 1.2 Million Dollars (worth of bitcoins) for his new "Ministry of Games" game developing company? That was pretty amazing how quickly that got funded. That seems like a stock to keep an eye on, sort of an experiment to see if bitcoin financing can result in real development.

[MikeMark]

Bump for other new investors / speculators.

[furuknap]

For the record, and not to spark any further flame wars, the mistake that SOSLOVE made was assuming that a growth of X% reduces dividends by X% too.

This is not the case, and to show this, imagine what would happen if the difficulty rose 100%. With SOSLOVE's math, this would wipe out all future dividends, when the correct result is that dividends would be reduced by 50% if difficulty doubled.

.b

[SOSLOVE868]

For the record, and not to spark any further flame wars, the mistake that SOSLOVE made was assuming that a growth of X% reduces dividends by X% too.

This is not the case, and to show this, imagine what would happen if the difficulty rose 100%. With SOSLOVE's math, this would wipe out all future dividends, when the correct result is that dividends would be reduced by 50% if difficulty doubled.

.b

If you will not deleted my post , I will be much happy to debate my assumption with you ,but however reality is better than any arguments , please just go check the price on BTCT.CO and the trading volume....

[jmutch]

Shameless plug for my Sandstorm Investment Fund:

It's been running successfully for over a month. It's going live on the Havelock platform this Friday with the remainder of the IPO being sold on there. 

Obviously I have a vested interest in this project. I'm just letting people know that it exists Cheers

[hennessyhemp]

This was not me...someone usurped my account via hacking!  Watch your butts people...use Escrow for trades!

[bob131313]

Big thing to keep in mind when looking to invest. Do the Research on the company before you buy.

It is easy to get suckered into buying garbage stock that hasn't been traded in weeks and people are praying someone comes along and buys their worthless bids.

All of this is IMHO and IANAL