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May 02, 2015, 01:21:18 PM
Last edit: May 04, 2015, 09:19:46 AM by valiron
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Look at the last 4 blocks:

Block 354643: https://blockchain.info/es/block/000000000000000015c33a22604bd9c01806c3add1b33d6b8dd1e663da95cbd1
Block 354642: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f181b8cfb70624cd74bcac01c930657bd1bde85ff59e7fd
Block 354641: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000a1ebf23947c2dc38f980c66c1fd1303235326e36ea5afae
Block 354640: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f8d7a12d307ddc717cab90d2ced5c7320624a13714b0aa3

All 4 blocks with a length of 731 kB

All 4 nounces very close by.

Last 3 blocks mined within 1 minute.


Edited to remove block 354644 and add block 354640,


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May 02, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
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Nobody has found a trick for fast mining, that's just good luck. Sometimes it can be an hour or two between blocks, other times it can just be seconds between them.
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May 02, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
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Nobody has found a trick for fast mining, that's just good luck. Sometimes it can be an hour or two between blocks, other times it can just be seconds between them.

Please, compute the probability of having the same length within 1kB, the probability of mining three blocks within 1 min, and the probability of having nearby nounce.

Then multiply since these events are independent.

Last, don't insult our intelligence.

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May 02, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
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Remember, mining has changed. ITs more centralized.. Did one person or one machine find those four blocks. i guess its hard to say anymore.. people that mine usually have tens or hundred of terabytes of power.. Soon, you will need hundreds of petahashes to find a block, lol... I have mixed feelings when bitcoin price took off. It made me a tidy sum, yet it made it so mining wasn't profitable for me. So, i think I probably lost money. it brought rich people out of the wood work to mine that would have never mined had bitcoin stayed at the 10 to 15 dollar level. too many cooks in the kitchen... When I was doing the math to figure out if spending 30k on a mining rig was worth it back in the day, the most I thought bitcoin could go up in the 4 years that i did the math was about 50 dollars a coin and I thought it would stay sub 20 dolllars for years. so, I was way off, lol..
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Remember, mining has changed. ITs more centralized.. Did one person or one machine find those four blocks. i guess its hard to say anymore.. people that mine usually have tens or hundred of terabytes of power.. Soon, you will need hundreds of petahashes to find a block, lol... I have mixed feelings when bitcoin price took off. It made me a tidy sum, yet it made it so mining wasn't profitable for me. So, i think I probably lost money. it brought rich people out of the wood work to mine that would have never mined had bitcoin stayed at the 10 to 15 dollar level. too many cooks in the kitchen... When I was doing the math to figure out if spending 30k on a mining rig was worth it back in the day, the most I thought bitcoin could go up in the 4 years that i did the math was about 50 dollars a coin and I thought it would stay sub 20 dolllars for years. so, I was way off, lol..

You are not addressing the point.
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May 02, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
Last edit: May 02, 2015, 02:10:48 PM by bronan
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First of all those 4 are not found by the same address, second look at the places where they supposed to be found.
This happens ofcourse not often but it happens that some people get shortly after another some blocks.
They seldom fall at the same spot but as you can see 2 are at the same spot and the 2 earlier ones elsewhere.
So for as i can see does it look so special
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Look at the last 4 blocks:

Block 354644; https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000d35454365c161addc0146286bcd6839017baffe75a2c3e9
Block 354643: https://blockchain.info/es/block/000000000000000015c33a22604bd9c01806c3add1b33d6b8dd1e663da95cbd1
Block 354642: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f181b8cfb70624cd74bcac01c930657bd1bde85ff59e7fd
Block 354641: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000a1ebf23947c2dc38f980c66c1fd1303235326e36ea5afae


All 4 blocks with a length of 731 kB

All 4 nounces very close by.

Last 3 blocks mined within 1 minute.

It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...


There is nothing unexpected by this, while it is indeed rare, (different)rare events happen all the time.

More data on improbabilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCf53ses22w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjbtZ4NgtdA

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May 02, 2015, 02:20:43 PM
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Nobody has found a trick for fast mining, that's just good luck. Sometimes it can be an hour or two between blocks, other times it can just be seconds between them.

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Last, don't insult our intelligence.



There is nothing odd going on here.  There is no "pre-mine" or some "trick for fast mining".  It is like seeing a dog in the clouds.  There isn't really a dog here.
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May 02, 2015, 02:36:26 PM
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Nobody has found a trick for fast mining, that's just good luck. Sometimes it can be an hour or two between blocks, other times it can just be seconds between them.

Please, compute the probability of having the same length within 1kB,

Miners decide the size of their blocks. It is not a random process. And only 3 out of 4 of your linked blocks are 731kb, and it is not rare: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2sezuu/is_there_a_reason_a_lot_of_blocks_are_731x_kb/

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May 02, 2015, 02:49:39 PM
Last edit: May 02, 2015, 05:33:17 PM by Foxpup
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All 4 blocks with a length of 731 kB
Which happens to be just under 750 metric kilobytes, which is the default maximum block size.

All 4 nounces very close by.
Not close at all. A difference of 300,000,000 is about one thirteenth of the maximum range, which means consecutive nonces will be this close together over 10 times a day.

(Edited to correct drunken math)

Last 3 blocks mined within 1 minute.
Huh 10 minutes, actually.

It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...
I kind of doubt it...

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May 02, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
Last edit: May 04, 2015, 09:49:41 AM by valiron
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Sorry, I meant to start with block 354640:

Block 354643: https://blockchain.info/es/block/000000000000000015c33a22604bd9c01806c3add1b33d6b8dd1e663da95cbd1
Block 354642: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f181b8cfb70624cd74bcac01c930657bd1bde85ff59e7fd
Block 354641: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000a1ebf23947c2dc38f980c66c1fd1303235326e36ea5afae
Block 354640: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f8d7a12d307ddc717cab90d2ced5c7320624a13714b0aa3

It makes sense that the size of 731 is close to maximum. But 4 consecutive blocks is more than suspicious. Will run some stats on that as soon as I get time.

It doesn't make sense how close are the 4 nounces.

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May 02, 2015, 05:11:06 PM
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All 4 nounces very close by.
Not close at all. A difference 300,000 is about one thirteenth of the maximum range, which means consecutive nonces will be this close together over 10 times a day.

4Byte nounce is between 1 and 2^32-1=4.294.967.295 right? Where is your 300.000 being 1/13th coming from?

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May 02, 2015, 05:16:02 PM
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It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...

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May 02, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
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Last 3 blocks mined within 1 minute.
Huh 10 minutes, actually.

I thought I posted by the times indicated by blockchain.info at the time. Note that timestamps are malleable and timestamps of reception by blockchain.info don't seem to be accurate. Block timestamp and blockchain.info timestamp for reception are not in chronological order for blocks 354642 and 354643 (this is not strange and happens quite often). Malleability of blocks timestamps may explain this fact but not timestamp of reception by blockchain.info (that may just copy the block timestamp).
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It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...

Is it IntelliHash?   Shocked

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May 02, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
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All 4 nounces very close by.
Not close at all. A difference 300,000 is about one thirteenth of the maximum range, which means consecutive nonces will be this close together over 10 times a day.

4Byte nounce is between 1 and 2^32-1=4.294.967.295 right? Where is your 300.000 being 1/13th coming from?
I meant 300,000,000 (that's the closeness we're talking about right?), but I misplaced a few zeros somewhere around the second glass of absinthe. This is why you shouldn't drink and derive. Tongue

(that may just copy the block timestamp).
They are. The timestamps are exactly the same, down to very second.

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May 02, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
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It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...

Is it IntelliHash?   Shocked

It is premining at some extend. Won't disclose more for the moment.

you should expose  it now bro.  if true it needs to be addressed sooner rather then later.

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It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...

Is it IntelliHash?   Shocked

It is premining at some extend. Won't disclose more for the moment.

you should expose  it now bro.  if true it needs to be addressed sooner rather then later.

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It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...

Is it IntelliHash?   Shocked

It is premining at some extend. Won't disclose more for the moment.

you should expose  it now bro.  if true it needs to be addressed sooner rather then later.

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On pins and needles here, seriously you start the thread asking like you have no idea, realistically only to puff yourself up in the end.. Waiting for the PM me and for 100 BTC I will tell you message next..

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Look at the last 4 blocks:

Block 354644; https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000d35454365c161addc0146286bcd6839017baffe75a2c3e9
Block 354643: https://blockchain.info/es/block/000000000000000015c33a22604bd9c01806c3add1b33d6b8dd1e663da95cbd1
Block 354642: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f181b8cfb70624cd74bcac01c930657bd1bde85ff59e7fd
Block 354641: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000a1ebf23947c2dc38f980c66c1fd1303235326e36ea5afae


All 4 blocks with a length of 731 kB

All 4 nounces very close by.

Last 3 blocks mined within 1 minute.

It is clear that someone found a trick for fast mining. I kind of happen to know what might be...




Sorry, I meant to start with block 354640:

Block 354643: https://blockchain.info/es/block/000000000000000015c33a22604bd9c01806c3add1b33d6b8dd1e663da95cbd1
Block 354642: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f181b8cfb70624cd74bcac01c930657bd1bde85ff59e7fd
Block 354641: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000a1ebf23947c2dc38f980c66c1fd1303235326e36ea5afae
Block 354640: https://blockchain.info/es/block/00000000000000000f8d7a12d307ddc717cab90d2ced5c7320624a13714b0aa3

It makes sense that the size of 731 is close to maximum. But 4 consecutive blocks is more than suspicious. Will run some stats on that as soon as I get time.

It doesn't make sense how close are the 4 nounces.



Nonce are not uniformly distributed because miners always start scanning from 0. Therefore, small nonce is more likely to be found on the blockchain.

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