Bitcoin Forum
November 19, 2017, 06:32:06 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.15.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 ... 65 »
  Print  
Author Topic: BTC Mining Pools List  (Read 902491 times)
theGECK
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 413



View Profile
September 07, 2012, 02:26:52 AM
 #21

I don't know how many people would need this information, but listing what ports each pool accepted work on would have been helpful to me a few weeks ago.

Use my referral codes for Bitcoin faucets and I'll send you 25% of my referral bonus - Win/Win! PM for details on all sites available or use one of the links here.

FreeBitco.in | FreeDoge.co.in
1511116326
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511116326

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511116326
Reply with quote  #2

1511116326
Report to moderator
1511116326
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511116326

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511116326
Reply with quote  #2

1511116326
Report to moderator
1511116326
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511116326

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511116326
Reply with quote  #2

1511116326
Report to moderator
The Bitcoin network protocol was designed to be extremely flexible. It can be used to create timed transactions, escrow transactions, multi-signature transactions, etc. The current features of the client only hint at what will be possible in the future.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1511116326
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511116326

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511116326
Reply with quote  #2

1511116326
Report to moderator
1511116326
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1511116326

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1511116326
Reply with quote  #2

1511116326
Report to moderator
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 07, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
 #22

I don't know how many people would need this information, but listing what ports each pool accepted work on would have been helpful to me a few weeks ago.

I'll do it if it doesn't make the table too messy. It may take a while to collect all the data though - anyone volunteering? Smiley

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
Graet
VIP
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 980



View Profile WWW
September 07, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
 #23

I thought I might put this here rather than continue in the thread it started Smiley
Pick the pool that has the features you want, the reliability you want, and weight that against the fee it charges.  Unless the pool is cheating you (or their payment system allows for hopping), the Fee vs Features/Stability tradeoff is all that matters.

Which is a really good point, eleuthria. This is a little OT, but is there any simple way you can think of that would allow for accurate reporting of downtime? Would this have to come from the pools themselves? It would be good to aggregate downtime info in the Mining pools list thread so miners looking for a pool don't have to wade through an entire thread to come to a decision on whether a pool has had long term downtime.

(apologies for the OT, Inaba)


agree with eleuthria - well said

Downtime is an interesting point, and how to quantify it
some pools seem to lose their www access but mining is fine
or
mining goes down but www stays up
and
some just lose it all

for Ozcoin we can drop a mining node and move dns to another - no effective downtime
if the www/db server goes offline or loses communication with a mining node the mining node(s) will cache shares for up to an hour, there is delay processing shares after these rare events.

so I guess
Critical:
1: Server Down (all www and mining offline)
Severe:
2: Mining Affected
3: Website affected
Minor:
4: Statistics delay

or something similar might work
then how to gather stats
during downtime most pool ops are stretched just to fix stuff and keep their miners up to date, reporting after the fact would be the easiest.

Interesting idea though Smiley

Ozcoin mining ports are
Merged Mining 80 and 8332
Bitcoin only 8331

| Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd https://ozcoin.net Double Geometric Reward System https://lc.ozcoin.net for Litecoin mining DGM| https://crowncloud.net VPS and Dedicated Servers for the BTC community
eleuthria
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1750



View Profile
September 07, 2012, 05:47:10 AM
 #24

I'm still trying to think of any way to quantify downtime.  The real problem is how you define it.  Most big pools have multiple servers, and a separate website server as well.  Is one node going down for an hour equal to 1 hour of downtime if they have 10 servers?  Additionally, from where do you measure it?  Routing issues aren't rare between the US and EU, and sometimes you end up with high packet loss between the two for short bursts.  Similarly, some people with Comcast/AT&T might have a bad hop on the way there so a large number of people experience downtime due to a specific hop within their ISP's route to the pool, but not to another.

There really isn't any good way to measure it aside from anecdotal evidence or major outages (DDoS?).

RIP BTC Guild, April 2011 - June 2015
theGECK
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 413



View Profile
September 08, 2012, 02:39:39 PM
 #25

I'm still trying to think of any way to quantify downtime.  The real problem is how you define it.  Most big pools have multiple servers, and a separate website server as well.  Is one node going down for an hour equal to 1 hour of downtime if they have 10 servers?  Additionally, from where do you measure it?  Routing issues aren't rare between the US and EU, and sometimes you end up with high packet loss between the two for short bursts.  Similarly, some people with Comcast/AT&T might have a bad hop on the way there so a large number of people experience downtime due to a specific hop within their ISP's route to the pool, but not to another.

There really isn't any good way to measure it aside from anecdotal evidence or major outages (DDoS?).

My thoughts:

1) Pool downtime should only be counted when the pool's mining servers aren't working. If you can still mine with them, the pool isn't down and website issues shouldn't be considered for actual pool downtime. If there's a problem with the internet between you and the pool, the pool isn't down. However, if there's a problem with the pool's connection/ISP, then the pool is down because nobody can reach them.

2) A good way to quantify it might be percentile based. 1 server out of 10 going down for an hour would be 10% of 1 hour for that day; 1 hour is 4.166% of the day, so 1 server out of 10 down for 1 hour would result in 10% of 4.166%, or .04166% daily downtime percentage. Of course, if that one server is then causing nobody to be able to mine with the pool, that would be a full pool outage for 1 hour, or a 4.166% daily outage, even if only the one server was technically down.
2a) Using a percentile system so that you can compare pools and know how likely you are to lose hashes in a day due to pool outages if you don't have a backup - possibly you could even then extrapolate that to say "They had 2Th/s, so a x% downtime was a result of x lost hashes". That could give a direct number comparison to pools of different sizes. A small pool that is down for part of a day may have actually resulted in less impact to the BTC economy as a whole than a large pool down for a half hour.

Use my referral codes for Bitcoin faucets and I'll send you 25% of my referral bonus - Win/Win! PM for details on all sites available or use one of the links here.

FreeBitco.in | FreeDoge.co.in
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 09, 2012, 06:18:40 AM
 #26

Pool list updated with suggestions from crazyates and ShadesOfMarble. I hope everyone finds the changes useful - if not let me know. Also, let me know if there are any mistakes.




My thoughts:
........

The only way I see this possible is still improbable. It would need to use the following:
1. An application that would ping both websites and submit a getwork request to mining servers for all pools on the list, and record a "yes/no" for each pool.
2. The application would have to be widely distributed so local network conditions would have less effect.
3. The application would need to be able to communicate with other instances and vote on uptimes, and then record the result.

I think each pool would be a good place to run a local instance of the app, and keep the website url and minings server IPs up to date. These would also have to be updated to other peers.

So, in a perfect world this sort of data could be obtained as long as someone wants to develop a p2p app to do it, and the convince all the pools to run and update a copy. Unless I'm wrong and completely missing some point or other.


Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
doublec
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1078


View Profile
September 09, 2012, 06:40:36 AM
 #27

Bitparking pays orphans, as I think most PPS pools do but most pools in the PPS list seem to have No there.

How does "Pay stales" work? For those with a "Yes" does that mean a miner can ignore longpolls, get a bunch of getworks in advance, and chug through those even though they may end up woefully out of date and stale? Or is there a limit? If a pool only pays stales for a short time after a block change does that count as "Pay stales"?
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 09, 2012, 06:46:01 AM
 #28

Bitparking pays orphans, as I think most PPS pools do but most pools in the PPS list seem to have No there.

How does "Pay stales" work? For those with a "Yes" does that mean a miner can ignore longpolls, get a bunch of getworks in advance, and chug through those even though they may end up woefully out of date and stale? Or is there a limit? If a pool only pays stales for a short time after a block change does that count as "Pay stales"?

Hi doublec, thanks for the feedback. I'll fix the Bitparking info. I get the info I use from the first page of each thread - if the intro doesn't specifically say "We do such and such" then I record a "No". I also thought most PPS pools would pay orphans - maybe it's taken as understood? Or maybe I'm developing pool thread blindness Sad

As for paying stales, I have no idea. I'm only guessing, but I'd be assuming it was only paying stales just after a block solve - that would be sensible, but I really am not sure.

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 09, 2012, 07:24:32 AM
 #29

subscribe

You don't need to post "subscribe" anymore. Just use the "watch" hyperlink at the top of the page, and then check on it using the "Watchlist".

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
ShadesOfMarble
Donator
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 525



View Profile
September 09, 2012, 08:05:51 AM
 #30

Love it!

Review of the Spondoolies-Tech SP10 „Dawson“ Bitcoin miner (1.4 TH/s)

[22:35] <Vinnie_win> Did anyone get paid yet? | [22:36] <Isokivi> pirate did!
nibor
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 388


View Profile
September 11, 2012, 07:36:57 AM
 #31

How are orphans relevant to PPS pools? Either you find a share or not? Whether the pool finds a block that is orphaned or not it totally irrelevant to you?
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 11, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
 #32

How are orphans relevant to PPS pools? Either you find a share or not? Whether the pool finds a block that is orphaned or not it totally irrelevant to you?

Mt Red was paying on a block solve, so it's possible that some pools might not pay shares submitted to orphaned blocks and no one mentions it specifically. I did ask pool ops to read the post and get back to me if there was anything wrong, and those that did I changed.

I can't be certain that all PPS and *MPPS pools do pay shares submitted to orphaned blocks if it's not specifically mentioned in their threads or if the pool ops don't mention it to me, but if everyone thinks I should just go ahead and assume they do, then I'll make the changes.

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
nibor
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 388


View Profile
September 11, 2012, 09:28:29 AM
 #33

How are orphans relevant to PPS pools? Either you find a share or not? Whether the pool finds a block that is orphaned or not it totally irrelevant to you?

Mt Red was paying on a block solve, so it's possible that some pools might not pay shares submitted to orphaned blocks and no one mentions it specifically. I did ask pool ops to read the post and get back to me if there was anything wrong, and those that did I changed.

I can't be certain that all PPS and *MPPS pools do pay shares submitted to orphaned blocks if it's not specifically mentioned in their threads or if the pool ops don't mention it to me, but if everyone thinks I should just go ahead and assume they do, then I'll make the changes.

The PPS pools I have looked at 50btc and HHTT pay based on when you find enough shares to be due a payout. So the size of the pool and whether it actually finds and blocks has no impact on the miners.
Balthazar
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2240


BTC-e Divine Overlord, ask cryptodevil for details


View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 07:53:46 AM
 #34

Itzod pays for orphans, actually.

novaco.in | EtherMine.ru (65 GH/s, DGM 0.5%) | EtherDig.Net (18GH/s, PPS 1.5%)
฿: 1QJ8RFiRKsJKmY8ZAjxfCUeBZXmjthK4Pk: 4RgnHWtnJWEyMhqhDdazW3Hdr7cx5ybF6i ETH: 0x5B475Febb3018f41d0Ac3C2f1A864bd102ab5a2E
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 07:57:25 AM
 #35

Itzod pays for orphans, actually.

Thanks for that. This weekend I'll update all PPS and *MPPS to "Pay orphans" since I think all of them do - but haven't had confirmation from all pool ops yet, and it's rarely listed on the thread front pages.

Are you Itzod's pool op? If so it would be very helpful if you could read the OP here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108326.0 and let me know if anything needs to be changed.


Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
Mobius
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 946



View Profile
September 12, 2012, 08:53:09 AM
 #36

Hi OrganoofCorti

could you add columns if the pool supports Diff other than 1 and if it supports x-roll-ntime?
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 08:57:46 AM
 #37

Hi OrganoofCorti

could you add columns if the pool supports Diff other than 1 and if it supports x-roll-ntime?

I might be able to fit them in if I get rid of "reward method" (since they're grouped that way) and "pay stales" since hardly anyone does. Anyone not ok with that?

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
Graet
VIP
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 980



View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
 #38

Hi OrganoofCorti

could you add columns if the pool supports Diff other than 1 and if it supports x-roll-ntime?

I might be able to fit them in if I get rid of "reward method" (since they're grouped that way) and "pay stales" since hardly anyone does. Anyone not ok with that?
sounds sensible Smiley

| Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd https://ozcoin.net Double Geometric Reward System https://lc.ozcoin.net for Litecoin mining DGM| https://crowncloud.net VPS and Dedicated Servers for the BTC community
Inaba
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1260



View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
 #39

What is the txfee column?  If it's what I think it is, then EMC pays the tx fee on outgoing, it's not passed along to the user.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
organofcorti
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044


Poor impulse control.


View Profile WWW
September 12, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
 #40

What is the txfee column?  If it's what I think it is, then EMC pays the tx fee on outgoing, it's not passed along to the user.


Pays Tx == are Tx rewards from block passed to the miner?

Maybe there's a better way to phrase it.

Bitcoin network and pool analysis 12QxPHEuxDrs7mCyGSx1iVSozTwtquDB3r
follow @oocBlog for new post notifications
Pages: « 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 ... 65 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!