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Question: What would get you to play NastyKeno?
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May 04, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
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You can view the NastyKeno thread here for those who aren't familiar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020151.0

or the website at: Keno.NastyFans.org

You can also read more about the organization any proceeds would be donated to (NastyFans) here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0


TheAnalogKid has been running a several week promotion refunding 0.01 BTC to each incorrect prediction and there have still been unclaimed credits, leading me to ask...

What would get you to play NastyKeno?

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May 04, 2015, 07:46:53 PM
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You can view the NastyKeno thread here for those who aren't familiar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020151.0

or the website at: Keno.NastyFans.org

You can also read more about the organization any proceeds would be donated to (NastyFans) here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0


TheAnalogKid has been running a several week promotion refunding 0.01 BTC to each incorrect prediction and there have still been unclaimed credits, leading me to ask...

What would get you to play NastyKeno?

The thing is not that people dont love free credits to play and win, it is just that not everyone aware of this games since not everyone tend to look in the games and rounds section.
Best thing for you to do is to move the thread into gambling section to gather more attention since you now have a website to get more attention to the game. Another thing is faster round is needed, I was in the first round and I felt that the round was too long that is why I decided not to participate in another round again despite free credits is given

Tl;dr : it is never a nice thing to wait just to know a result

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May 04, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
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Tl;dr : it is never a nice thing to wait just to know a result

This is valuable feedback.  The idea of tying in the NastyFans weekly distribution was to bring a bit of fun and awareness to the weekly distributions.  I can see why you would want an immediate result though.

Would you consider playing again if there was an address where you could make "instant" predictions and as soon as your TX was included in a block you could see if you were correct?  Would daily payouts be frequent enough?

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May 04, 2015, 08:21:19 PM
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Never played it.
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May 04, 2015, 08:25:27 PM
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Tl;dr : it is never a nice thing to wait just to know a result

This is valuable feedback.  The idea of tying in the NastyFans weekly distribution was to bring a bit of fun and awareness to the weekly distributions.  I can see why you would want an immediate result though.

Would you consider playing again if there was an address where you could make "instant" predictions and as soon as your TX was included in a block you could see if you were correct?  Would daily payouts be frequent enough?

If you could make the game into the instantly mode, then this could boost the popularity of the game but not enough to lure in more players. You need to pack it with some animations perhaps on your website.

Example of luckyb.it . The site is only about sending your bet through wallet and get the result few seconds after that, but the twist is that there are some animations of ball falling in the site (pliinko style)

Ognasty keno isnt so much difference than luckyb.it . If there is a website to show some animations for the keno than your game could go head to head with luckyb.it  Wink . Another plus point of having website is that you can move the thread to gambling to gain some attention

Never played it.
What is it?

check the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020151.0

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May 05, 2015, 12:36:09 AM
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If you could make the game into the instantly mode, then this could boost the popularity of the game but not enough to lure in more players. You need to pack it with some animations perhaps on your website.

Example of luckyb.it . The site is only about sending your bet through wallet and get the result few seconds after that, but the twist is that there are some animations of ball falling in the site (pliinko style)

Ognasty keno isnt so much difference than luckyb.it . If there is a website to show some animations for the keno than your game could go head to head with luckyb.it  Wink . Another plus point of having website is that you can move the thread to gambling to gain some attention

I don't think TheAnalogKid wants to deal with the security concerns that come along with running a hot wallet on a server for instant payouts at this time.  I wouldn't have an issue with setting up an address for instant predictions though, where you could see immediately if you won, and payouts could be processed a few times per day (or whenever you want if you PM to "hit the magic button" that processes payouts).

You make a good point about luckyb.it having cool animations and such.  NastyKeno is a much more simple approach, and I think there are those who appreciate a less flashy option.  It is something for us to consider though as the platform is developed.  The site was built using basic cross-platform DHTML scripts, which are intended to be lightning fast and widely compatible.  I will look into what style enhancements might be possible with this development type.

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May 05, 2015, 05:15:05 AM
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If you could make the game into the instantly mode, then this could boost the popularity of the game but not enough to lure in more players. You need to pack it with some animations perhaps on your website.

Example of luckyb.it . The site is only about sending your bet through wallet and get the result few seconds after that, but the twist is that there are some animations of ball falling in the site (pliinko style)

Ognasty keno isnt so much difference than luckyb.it . If there is a website to show some animations for the keno than your game could go head to head with luckyb.it  Wink . Another plus point of having website is that you can move the thread to gambling to gain some attention

I don't think TheAnalogKid wants to deal with the security concerns that come along with running a hot wallet on a server for instant payouts at this time.  I wouldn't have an issue with setting up an address for instant predictions though, where you could see immediately if you won, and payouts could be processed a few times per day (or whenever you want if you PM to "hit the magic button" that processes payouts).

You make a good point about luckyb.it having cool animations and such.  NastyKeno is a much more simple approach, and I think there are those who appreciate a less flashy option.  It is something for us to consider though as the platform is developed.  The site was built using basic cross-platform DHTML scripts, which are intended to be lightning fast and widely compatible.  I will look into what style enhancements might be possible with this development type.

Good idea for the bolded part but you will need someone to constantly standby just to process the request whenever there is someone who request the payout.

You are right that someone may like the less flashy option. Not saying that you need a flashy animations but still something to catch up the attention of the players is something to add to the game. Basically sending bets from wallet , veryfing the result manually through blockchain is not something that a gambler wants to do . So my point is providing some simple animations on site that will tell you about the result will be good for the starting point

Atleast the nastyfans got it own community, shouldnt be hard for you to start up a new game and gather some attention after you develop the platform

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May 05, 2015, 06:58:04 AM
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You can view the NastyKeno thread here for those who aren't familiar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020151.0

or the website at: Keno.NastyFans.org

This is the first time I have seen that thread mainly because I don't go to games and rounds section too often. I like the blockchain hash idea, it's in-fact completely 100% provably fair as block hash cannot be predicted or altered.

One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.


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One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.

The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain.  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.

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One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.

The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain.  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.
I navigated through this thread in games and rounds section and exact this is the main reason I avoided it to play. Weekly distribution is saddest point of this game. Distribution should occur more frequent which will encourage the players to come and play on it.
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The website can surely be better.  Cool
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I navigated through this thread in games and rounds section and exact this is the main reason I avoided it to play. Weekly distribution is saddest point of this game. Distribution should occur more frequent which will encourage the players to come and play on it.

right I have mentioned this above, gamblers hate to wait for result, especially if you need to wait for 1 week



Ognasy, if you have some time please check on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1029243.0.

The concept of that game is almost like ognasty keno, difference is that it is based on the TX ID from the sender to the corespondent address. The game was working at first but it has stopped working now. Plus if you make some website to support some animations for this then it will gain much more attention than the current game

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Draws take too long to be picked. If the shorten the time ill start using the site again.

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One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.

The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain.  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.
Thank you arallmuus for explaining it well.I did not know before what this game is about.The shorter the duration of game will be the more popular it will be. Admin need to make some changes as you mentioned above, I am agreed with you.
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One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.

The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain.  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.
I navigated through this thread in games and rounds section and exact this is the main reason I avoided it to play. Weekly distribution is saddest point of this game. Distribution should occur more frequent which will encourage the players to come and play on it.
i think so that weekly draw result keep away many players to put bet on keno, i saw their giveaway thread in games and round section but to know about the result for a week is terrible period in gambling terms.
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IMHO you should add several games, like the current one is weekly, you can add couple of more games which open daily or hourly even and apart from that I voted for #5, I think giveaways and promotion always helps bring attention to a site.

 

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The promotions are always good but i dont understand how can you have better odds? In the better odds option, i mean how can you raise the odds?
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The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result
Thank you arallmuus for explaining it well.I did not know before what this game is about.The shorter the duration of game will be the more popular it will be. Admin need to make some changes as you mentioned above, I am agreed with you.

Thanks.  It seems that a more frequent prediction option is something that is wanted by most, and I will see about making that happen soon.


The promotions are always good but i dont understand how can you have better odds? In the better odds option, i mean how can you raise the odds?

It could offer higher odds, for example, instead of paying out 10:1 for a correct single character predictions, it could pay out 12:1.  It doesn't seem like this is the stumbling block for potential users though as it seems people would prefer more promotions over higher odds.


One free BTC to new users, with no deposit requirement and no withdrawal restrictions harsher than "you must gamble at least BTC1 to withdraw." Tongue

Also, wife checks browser history, so "nasty" has always been a deterrent. Why not OgKeno? Makes you sound more like an arrogant Chinese kid serious Bitcoin businessman.

There are no withdrawals or deposits or accounts of any kind on the site, only placing predictions, and the prediction amount is 0.01 BTC, not 1 BTC.  I don't mind how the name Nasty makes me sound either.  My reputation is not a concern I have.  Addressing your question though, this isn't OgKeno because it is a game run on behalf of NastyFans, not myself.  If I was hosting the site and keeping the profits, maybe OgKeno would be appropriate, but I am not doing either.

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May 06, 2015, 04:26:48 AM
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One think I don't understand is this part:

Wait for the next weekly NastyFans distribution (Fridays) and see if you predicted correctly.

The game is based on the TX ID for the weekly distribution of the nasty mining pool, the address of 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL is the payout address for the pool and since it is distributed weekly it makes the game less favorable as people need to wait for a whole week just to know the result

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain.  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.

I understood that it was based on Tx ID and one has to check which block the Tx was included in to see the results by checking the last character of that block hash, which is why I said that it makes it 100% provably fair, but was confused as to what is Nasty distribution. Thanks for clearing that up Smiley

And I agree, gamblers don't have a lot of patience and waiting is not one of their virtues.

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May 06, 2015, 05:21:04 AM
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Why dont u just make it a daily drawing, waiting for a week i even forget that i made a bet there. Giveaway is a nice thing tho, i was also surprised to see that some of
it wasnt claimed, but that may be because people didnt understand the game.
poll says it all, decrease duration, find another form of giveaway, it doesnt have to be a generous as this one, with time, people will come, but for now, anyone who wants to gamble will just go to dice site and
make a gamble and result in a second.
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Why dont u just make it a daily drawing

I could guarantee that people will still not be playing if it is a daily drawing. Since most people like immediate result and that is why the majority likes dice sites (simple and fast).
If there is a chance that Ognasty could turn this into an immediate result based on the TX ID of the sender than there is a chance that it might attract some players


If you havent check on the link that I posted Ognasty , feel free to check it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1029243.0. The concept of the game is the same with the Nastykeno but it is based on the TX ID of the sender

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I think the minimum amount to play should be lower, maybe 0.001, a better design would be nice but not necessary, and like others have said, daily drawings, or immediate picks.
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Your feedback has been heard and soon TheAnalogKid will be updating the website with some new features as well as extending his promotion.  The new promotion will be less generous (50% refunds for the first 15 incorrect predictions and instant predictions will be excluded from the promotion) but there will be an emphasis on continuing a sustainable promotion long term going forward.  There will also be an added instant predictions section.  You will be able to check and see whether you are a winner as soon as your prediction transaction is included in a block.  Payouts will happen multiple times daily to save on transaction fees.  There is also a new free games section for those of you who may feel the 0.01 BTC minimum prediction is too high and the Keno game alone isn't exciting enough.  Keep your eye out for this update later today and thanks to those of you who have played so far!  Keep the feedback coming.

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TheAnalogKid will be updating the website with some new features

Since he is working with this , perhaps it is best to record all transaction for the game instantly/ directly at the website without the need to post on prediction in the nastykeno thread. If the "posting predictions" is recorded in the site than the nastykeno thread could be move to gambling section since it is not a forum-based game anymore. Thus then the game will gain some attention from the gambler here

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TheAnalogKid will be updating the website with some new features

Since he is working with this , perhaps it is best to record all transaction for the game instantly/ directly at the website without the need to post on prediction in the nastykeno thread. If the "posting predictions" is recorded in the site than the nastykeno thread could be move to gambling section since it is not a forum-based game anymore. Thus then the game will gain some attention from the gambler here

The "posting" of predictions is to keep users involved while the game gets traction.  While automating and displaying everything on the site is the goal, we thought it would be best to take baby steps there, so that there would be no wasted development on things that we don't want.  At some point it will move away from a forum game and into a more robust website, but I'd rather that happened after we worked out all of the kinks. 

The website update went live yesterday I believe.  I'd be curious to know how people felt about the free games and I haven't had a chance to test the instant predictions yet, so I would welcome anyone placing an instant prediction to make sure the notifications and manual release notification are working.  However, instant predictions will be exempt from the promotion of refunding predictions.

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You can view the NastyKeno thread here for those who aren't familiar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020151.0

or the website at: Keno.NastyFans.org

You can also read more about the organization any proceeds would be donated to (NastyFans) here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0


TheAnalogKid has been running a several week promotion refunding 0.01 BTC to each incorrect prediction and there have still been unclaimed credits, leading me to ask...

What would get you to play NastyKeno?

Its a great idea. I am surprised it wasn't invented earlier.

I actually played this alot in Vegas and for the life of me couldn't win at all.

But we will see how it goes online

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Since the instant predictions aren't currently incentivized to play...
In addition to the 10:1 payout, I will give a FREE $10 iTUNES GIFT CARD to the first person who CORRECTLY PREDICTS a "1" with an instant prediction.

The instant prediction address for "1" is:
1Keno1kMsCD6D5fwd3sx6PvNqsfwds8NPg

You could send 0.01 BTC, get back 0.1 BTC and a $10 iTunes Gift Code!  Someone is going to win.  Let it be you!

*Please remember that you must send between 0.01-0.02 BTC to make a prediction.

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 #28

The website update went live yesterday I believe.  I'd be curious to know how people felt about the free games and I haven't had a chance to test the instant predictions yet, so I would welcome anyone placing an instant prediction to make sure the notifications and manual release notification are working.  However, instant predictions will be exempt from the promotion of refunding predictions.

So, I have just been able to trust the "instant predictions" now. All I can say is it is much better than waiting the whole week just to know the result of course but still it is a bit hassle if I will need to verify this myself . Any plan of adding automatic verification as well? could be great addition for the game though.

As for the bolded part. I dont see any notifications nor the "manual release notifications" on the website though all I see was this

Code:
1KenoiKsaoNwxV9QGuAu5MExjMcp1h6Fbj
2:1
Pending : 0.01 [btc]
Total : 0.0200000 [btc]

My bet for A-F is in this block, which is a winning bet https://blockchain.info/block-index/882143 but I havent got my winning yet although it is now 4 confirmations atm. Should have make the winning payout instantly as well if possible.


Winning receive in my wallet !

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As for the bolded part. I dont see any notifications nor the "manual release notifications" on the website though all I see was this

My bet for A-F is in this block, which is a winning bet https://blockchain.info/block-index/882143 but I havent got my winning yet although it is now 4 confirmations atm. Should have make the winning payout instantly as well if possible.

So you want me to add a notification that your prediction is pending manual release?  It does show pending, but perhaps the manual release part could be more clear until it can be automated.  Unfortunately at the moment, I still have to click send, which means 3am predictions might have a few hour turnaround.  I also don't receive notifications until the prediction has a few confirmations, so you should expect a little wait for payouts on instant predictions.

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May 14, 2015, 04:40:14 PM
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As for the bolded part. I dont see any notifications nor the "manual release notifications" on the website though all I see was this

My bet for A-F is in this block, which is a winning bet https://blockchain.info/block-index/882143 but I havent got my winning yet although it is now 4 confirmations atm. Should have make the winning payout instantly as well if possible.

So you want me to add a notification that your prediction is pending manual release?  It does show pending, but perhaps the manual release part could be more clear until it can be automated.  Unfortunately at the moment, I still have to click send, which means 3am predictions might have a few hour turnaround.  I also don't receive notifications until the prediction has a few confirmations, so you should expect a little wait for payouts on instant predictions.

perhaps it could be more specific like pending payout for address X . Since I was the only one playing and there is 1 pending 0.01 BTC , I could easily know that was mine but what if there are several people playing, it would be hard to distinguish it.

Anyway the instant predictions works fine with no issue here and as for the free games , I havent had tried it yet, Any particular reason on not making the payment instant yet? Since this kind of games cant be cheated though

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Anyway the instant predictions works fine with no issue here and as for the free games , I havent had tried it yet, Any particular reason on not making the payment instant yet? Since this kind of games cant be cheated though

We haven't built any type of system to handle instant payouts.  It remains to be seen whether the demand exists to invest resources in developing that functionality.  Very few people have even tried the instant predictions as they exist currently.

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Anyway the instant predictions works fine with no issue here and as for the free games , I havent had tried it yet, Any particular reason on not making the payment instant yet? Since this kind of games cant be cheated though

We haven't built any type of system to handle instant payouts.  It remains to be seen whether the demand exists to invest resources in developing that functionality.  Very few people have even tried the instant predictions as they exist currently.

I see, people just arent aware of it yet perhaps

Any particular reason on why not offering a full set prediction like the weekly game?

Currently there are only two selection for the instant game while for the weekly game there are predictions address for the numbers as well. The house edge for the instant game seems like almost 50 % because the dissability to choose the numbers option

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ABCDEF & 1

P.S : I may be wrong on the house edge number though

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Any particular reason on why not offering a full set prediction like the weekly game?

Mostly because it was a test to see if the lack of an instant result was what was keeping people on the sidelines.  It appears that the lack of an instant result is not what is deterring people, or it would see more action.  It is quite possible that instant bets will be discontinued if there remains little to no interest.  If there was an uptick in instant predictions, we would look at making them ALL instant predictions and thus giving the entire keno board prediction set.  Perhaps after more time it will slowly gain a following of players and more investment in development would be warranted.  I understand this is a bit backwards thinking, but this is a group organization project and not a gambling business focused on profits.  Hopefully over a long period of time, the user base and experience is greatly improved.

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