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May 12, 2015, 12:51:21 AM
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You shouldnt trust coin mixers, be very careful with them since they can steal your bitcoins and never send them back to you while they are "mixing them"
that's true.. and that's why , when you want to use a mixer service, you  should always choose a trusted and reliable service..  be extremely careful when using  Roll Eyes these kind of services..

The problem is the type of people who set up mixers.  Most I don't think are in it to help people remain unknown.  They are in it to make money.

If a government shows up asking for IP logs you know they will be turning it over very very quick hoping to not spend a ton in lawyers.

Also biggest concern is they just stop sending out.  Lets say business is slow, they get a big amount to mix.  They run away with it and any smaller ones that were sent before people realized it.

Just a lot of possible bad things.

About IP and Goverment. There is 2 sites at BitcoinMixers.com that need no registrations. Using VPN/proxy you get your adress for sending BTC and using TOR send them and got your new bitcoins. Simple, yeah?

What makes you a expert in this field can I ask?   Tor has had more holes and exploits then I have counted.  As long as there is exit nodes it remains open to possible attacks.   

But why do all this with mixers when mining to a new address is more anonymous?
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May 12, 2015, 08:47:35 AM
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You shouldnt trust coin mixers, be very careful with them since they can steal your bitcoins and never send them back to you while they are "mixing them"
that's true.. and that's why , when you want to use a mixer service, you  should always choose a trusted and reliable service..  be extremely careful when using  Roll Eyes these kind of services..

The problem is the type of people who set up mixers.  Most I don't think are in it to help people remain unknown.  They are in it to make money.

If a government shows up asking for IP logs you know they will be turning it over very very quick hoping to not spend a ton in lawyers.

Also biggest concern is they just stop sending out.  Lets say business is slow, they get a big amount to mix.  They run away with it and any smaller ones that were sent before people realized it.

Just a lot of possible bad things.

About IP and Goverment. There is 2 sites at BitcoinMixers.com that need no registrations. Using VPN/proxy you get your adress for sending BTC and using TOR send them and got your new bitcoins. Simple, yeah?

What makes you a expert in this field can I ask?   Tor has had more holes and exploits then I have counted.  As long as there is exit nodes it remains open to possible attacks.   

Tor is good for anonimoty if you configured it well. Almost everything has both pros and cons. It's nearly impossible to get a thing without pros or cons.

But why do all this with mixers when mining to a new address is more anonymous?

If you don't/can't mine, buy newly minted coins with your coins.

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May 12, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
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You shouldnt trust coin mixers, be very careful with them since they can steal your bitcoins and never send them back to you while they are "mixing them"
that's true.. and that's why , when you want to use a mixer service, you  should always choose a trusted and reliable service..  be extremely careful when using  Roll Eyes these kind of services..

The problem is the type of people who set up mixers.  Most I don't think are in it to help people remain unknown.  They are in it to make money.

If a government shows up asking for IP logs you know they will be turning it over very very quick hoping to not spend a ton in lawyers.

Also biggest concern is they just stop sending out.  Lets say business is slow, they get a big amount to mix.  They run away with it and any smaller ones that were sent before people realized it.

Just a lot of possible bad things.

About IP and Goverment. There is 2 sites at BitcoinMixers.com that need no registrations. Using VPN/proxy you get your adress for sending BTC and using TOR send them and got your new bitcoins. Simple, yeah?

What makes you a expert in this field can I ask?   Tor has had more holes and exploits then I have counted.  As long as there is exit nodes it remains open to possible attacks.   

But why do all this with mixers when mining to a new address is more anonymous?


Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley
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May 12, 2015, 01:42:52 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

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May 12, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  Grin
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May 12, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  Grin

Or is it possible maybe it's not happening?   If you cannot explain or show it happening.... i don't know if it should be advertised.
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May 12, 2015, 03:57:09 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  Grin

So you are just advertising? I don't want you to tell where you get newly minted coins but at least can you post a signed message from an address which has some newly minted coins? Wink

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May 12, 2015, 05:27:05 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  Grin

So you are just advertising? I don't want you to tell where you get newly minted coins but at least can you post a signed message from an address which has some newly minted coins? Wink

are you kidding? i said that we are just advertising
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May 12, 2015, 07:14:43 PM
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You shouldnt trust coin mixers, be very careful with them since they can steal your bitcoins and never send them back to you while they are "mixing them"
that's true.. and that's why , when you want to use a mixer service, you  should always choose a trusted and reliable service..  be extremely careful when using  Roll Eyes these kind of services..

That's why people should choose their mixer that they trust and use it.
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May 12, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
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Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  Smiley

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  Grin

So you are just advertising? I don't want you to tell where you get newly minted coins but at least can you post a signed message from an address which has some newly minted coins? Wink

are you kidding? i said that we are just advertising

He actually has a very fair request.  You "advertised" some had newly minted coins, so asking you to show this is 100 percent fair.

If you cannot prove it or show it then it should not be a advertising point.
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May 13, 2015, 07:26:10 AM
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I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

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May 13, 2015, 07:39:35 AM
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I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

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May 13, 2015, 09:02:31 AM
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I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.
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May 13, 2015, 03:37:13 PM
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I'm new to BTC and cryptocurrency at all. Your article very interesting, but should i use mixers? )
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May 13, 2015, 03:38:05 PM
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I'm new to BTC and cryptocurrency at all. Your article very interesting, but should i use mixers? )

Only if you need more privacy.

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May 13, 2015, 05:08:44 PM
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The thing is the exchange would know you came in with x coin at address x, and left with y coin with y address.

If you went to another exchange then changed it again after... maybe more anonymous.  But mining direct into a wallet I think would beat it even on being anonymous.  

But beyond that it's untraceable once you're on the Monero blockchain. In other words, in the following example it is pretty much untraceable when using Tor:

1. Create a Monero account with https://mymonero.com
2. Go to https://shapeshift.io and tell it you want to convert from BTC to XMR (to your MyMonero address) for your amount plus a little extra. To give you an example, ShapeShift tells me 1 BTC = 481.9701 XMR right now.
3. Go to https://xmr.to and use their rate to convert your XMR (less, say, 0.03 XMR for a 3kb mining fee) to the BTC equivalent and pay your destination BTC address. Using my example, the 481.9401 XMR is worth 0.959060799 BTC (so slippage is just over 4%)
4. Pay the XMR address and payment ID provided by xmr.to using a relatively high mix-in value on MyMonero

It doesn't matter whether MyMonero is subpoenaed and has to submit your viewkey, or ShapeShift is hacked, or anything like that. The connection from MyMonero to xmr.to cannot be traced or reversed. For added goodness you could send the coins to yourself on MyMonero, or to multiple MyMonero accounts, all providing an additional break in the chain. To understand why this works it is good to familiarise yourself with the way Monero works, perhaps starting with the LetsTalkBitcoin podcast on the subject: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e202-understanding-monero

only mining offer 100% anon, because you never move anything, you just receive them in exchange of your electricity, all other methods have always a tiny % of being tracked back

i could agree that it will be very difficult in some scenario, like with monero, but it's not impossible, also the monero anon tech(ring signature) itself, isn't 100% anon(isn't based on a zero-knowledge scheme)


p.s. this is a good article https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/brs-arbitrary-output-sizes.txt
another good read http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies

Mining is quite out of reach to most, and it actually doesn't help that much - you still need to use your coinbase UTXOs to make a payment, and that's the part that's at-risk.

Nobody claimed Monero was "100% anon", from a cryptographic perspective. In other news, your Bitcoin private keys can be brute-forced and aren't "100% safe". Also, 2048-bit AES encryption isn't "100% uncrackable". All three of these examples deal with cryptographically negligible scenarios, which is what andytoshi refers to in that StackExchange post when he says that Monero's anonymity is "weaker than total anonymity". The step from Monero's cryptographically untraceable (ie. for incoming transactions there are many possible senders whose involvement is equiprobable) and unlinkable (ie. for any two outgoing transactions it is impossible to prove they were sent to the same person) transactions to "total anonymity" is VERY slight, and thus the amount of "weakness" is important only from the perspective of cryptographic absolutes, and only under certain models as well (the random oracle model, in particular). The cryptographic negligibility is only for incoming transactions, and requires ownership of a substantial number of blockchain TXOs to even begin to hope to correctly choose the correct input signer from a group.

andytoshi and gmaxwell's AOS paper has, to some degree, been superseded by the observations made in a recent Monero Research Lab paper, "MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol".

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May 15, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
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I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.

You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.
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May 15, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
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You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.
This sentence has made it all clear. You don't lose anything for proving that your service works. Maybe a minute of your time?
Your service is most likely a scam. Everyone, stay away from it!
I wouldn't even be surprised if the mixer actually worked just to get some trust and a bigger deposit.  Roll Eyes

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May 15, 2015, 08:05:57 PM
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I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.

You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.

Someone had time to waste to sign up to new account's to praise this.....

But yes if you advertise something then it is expected you are able to prove it.  Is that a lot to ask?     
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May 15, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
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You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.

Absolutely you do, for you are probably just lying.   Undecided

Get off our forum, scammer.  Negative trust left.

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