Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[1aguar]

You MUST turn your life around to be saved. The more you try, the more you find that you can't do it 100% as is required. Meditating on the law shows you that you can't keep the law. Even if you could, you won't.

This is not the main conclusion that one gets after meditating upon the law.
So, because you cannot do everything all at once, you may as well stop meditating? You may as well stop trying and "sit back" to wait for your "savior"?

Now, consider that slothfulness is a sin! You need to do work to get anywhere, and God's kingdom is no different. You need to actually go out and show that love to thy neighbor, you can't just "sit there"!

"And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." (John 3:19-21, bold added)

Since you don't keep the law, you are damned. The next step is to find the way to be saved, the gift of God through faith in Jesus Christ His son.

You say that you are damned unless you are saved by Jesus.
Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell (see above, my chat with MMH).

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[BADecker]

You MUST turn your life around to be saved. The more you try, the more you find that you can't do it 100% as is required. Meditating on the law shows you that you can't keep the law. Even if you could, you won't.

This is not the main conclusion that one gets after meditating upon the law.
So, because you cannot do everything all at once, you may as well stop meditating? You may as well stop trying and "sit back" to wait for your "savior"?

Now, consider that slothfulness is a sin! You need to do work to get anywhere, and God's kingdom is no different. You need to actually go out and show that love to thy neighbor, you can't just "sit there"!

"And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." (John 3:19-21, bold added)

Since you don't keep the law, you are damned. The next step is to find the way to be saved, the gift of God through faith in Jesus Christ His son.

You say that you are damned unless you are saved by Jesus.
Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell (see above, my chat with MMH).

John 14:5-11:

Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

[1aguar]

BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

When God told you He created you in His image, that image is pure unadulterated Light. If you seek to just "sit there", it is wickedness and your works are exposed as sloth.

Jesus simply does not say here that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

To use a rather prosaic example, if I drive on a road that goes to Denver, it is not necessary for me to believe in the governmental entity that built and maintains that road, or even to have any idea at all about who built the road. It is sufficient for me to drive on the road, and I'll get to Denver.

Similarly, if the Son has provided a pathway to the Father, that doesn't necessarily require that we intellectually believe in the Son; only that we travel the path that the Son has provided.

[BADecker]

BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

Why is it that you want me to contradict you on this so badly?

[1aguar]

BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

Why is it that you want me to contradict you on this so badly?

Oh, because you would be shown to be wrong and in disagreement with the intelligent Christian answers on SE.

Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

See my edits above; I tire of repeating the content of this SE question and answers:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

[BADecker]

BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

Why is it that you want me to contradict you on this so badly?

Oh, because you would be shown to be wrong and in disagreement with the intelligent Christian answers on SE.

Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

See my edits above; I tire of repeating the content of this SE question and answers:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

When you don't take little pieces of the New Testament out of it and try to explain them alone, but rather, keep the whole New Testament together, the whole thought is the salvation that Jesus provided by His righteous life, His work on the cross, His resurrection, and even His ascension to some extent.

A person might come to faith by examining just a few passages of what is written. But usually it takes a little more than that. Usually it takes a reading or hearing of larger sections, in context. Your case shows us that not everyone believes, or even wants to believe.

[1aguar]

I disagree, BADecker; Jesus did not talk about being my "personal savior" explicitly, again and again, nor did he repeatedly say that those who don't believe in his BEING will go to hell; I have found that intelligent Christians disagree with you, and your reply is lacking in detail, you just tell me to "go read the Bible", but I have already told you that some parts relating to this question (like Mark 16:16) were added long after the fact (quite suspicious if you ask me!) and also that Paul knew nothing about Jesus and was his worst persecutor.

Your case shows us that not everyone believes, or even wants to believe.

You are right, I won't trust in a "savior" who would try to take responsibility away from me.
I am responsible for obeying God's Laws, and I will not try and place that burden upon another.
I will not just "sit there" and trust in my "savior" for there are no saviors; you have to do the work and only YOU can turn YOUR LIFE around.
I will do what is true in the light of day, so that it may be clearly seen that my works have been carried out in God.

I also found this passage which contradicts what you are saying yet again:

Rev 20:12
"And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works."

[BADecker]

I disagree, BADecker; Jesus did not talk about being my "personal savior" explicitly, again and again, nor did he repeatedly say that those who don't believe in his BEING will go to hell; I have found that intelligent Christians disagree with you, and your reply is lacking in detail, you just tell me to "go read the Bible", but I have already told you that some parts relating to this question (like Mark 16:16) were added long after the fact (quite suspicious if you ask me!) and also that Paul knew nothing about Jesus and was his worst persecutor.

Your case shows us that not everyone believes, or even wants to believe.

You are right, I won't trust in a "savior" who would try to take responsibility away from me.
I am responsible for obeying God's Laws, and I will not try and place that burden upon another.
I will not just "sit there" and trust in my "savior" for there are no saviors; you have to do the work and only YOU can turn YOUR LIFE around.
I will do what is true in the light of day, so that it may be clearly seen that my works have been carried out in God.

I also found this passage which contradicts what you are saying yet again:

Rev 20:12
"And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works."

Since you won't trust, you are lost, unless you change. Why are you lost? Because there is nothing else that can save you. If you could save yourself, you would, by not getting old and dying. So, all your obeying of some laws will not save you.

[1aguar]

Obeying God's Laws will not save me?
I think Jesus would disagree with you; he said "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets".
He said "There is none other commandment greater than these", and "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Most Christian denominations consider these two commandments the core of the Christian religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment

[BADecker]

Obeying God's Laws will not save me?
I think Jesus would disagree with you; he said "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets".
He said "There is none other commandment greater than these", and "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Most Christian denominations consider these two commandments the core of the Christian religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment

Obeying the law will save you if you obey it perfectly. You have not done so up until now. You will not do so in the future.

There is only one person Who has obeyed the law perfectly. That is Jesus Christ. Since He has obeyed the law perfectly, He has the right to request and receive anything from His father... anything. He has requested you... if you believe on Him. He will not debase Himself below you. But He will take you with Him if you accept Him.

[1aguar]

The commandment to "love one another" appears thirteen times in twelve verses in the New Testament.
How many times has Jesus explicitly identified himself as my "personal savior" and stated that I will go to hell if I don't believe that he is my "personal savior"? Zero.

[1aguar]

It is said that Christ loved us first, so he would not condemn me for trying to take responsibility for my own life. Jesus is the "standard for love", he came to show us the Christ way and that means that we must be responsible for our actions.
Christ is not a name, it is a state of goodness and emotional sanctity in accordance with the golden rule; no one can follow the "New Commandment" of Jesus by just "sitting there". Life transforms with love, not laziness. Christ is calling YOU, BADecker; give up your magical thinking and follow Jesus' New Commandment.

"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Commandment#Interpretations

[BADecker]

It is said that Christ loved us first, so he would not condemn me for trying to take responsibility for my own life. Jesus is the "standard for love", he came to show us the Christ way and that means that we must be responsible for our actions.
Christ is not a name, it is a state of goodness and emotional sanctity in accordance with the golden rule; no one can follow the "New Commandment" of Jesus by just "sitting there". Life transforms with love, not laziness. Christ is calling YOU, BADecker; give up your magical thinking and follow Jesus' New Commandment.

"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Commandment#Interpretations

Whatever taking responsibility for your own life means, the only way to participate in salvation, is to take the responsibility for yourself to believe in Jesus as your Savior.

Is the word God a name of God? Not by what God says. Yet many people understand that "God" is the name of God, because they have so named Him. "Christ" has become an accepted name of Jesus. Not because Jesus said that it should be. But because people started calling Him by that Name. Originally it was Jesus the Christ, that is the Messiah.

Messiah means "anointed one." The Messiah of the Old Testament was expressed to be not only an anointed one, but one who saves. Jesus fills the description, and the fulfills the O.T. prophesies. Jesus is the Messiah, the Savior, the Christ.

In a construction job, there is a foreman who runs the show. The foreman is both a position and the guy that fills the position. Jesus is the Messiah, and also the guy who fills the Messiah position.

[1aguar]

Whatever taking responsibility for your own life means, the only way to participate in salvation, is to take the responsibility for yourself to believe in Jesus as your Savior.

You repeat this like it is propaganda, but you are 100% wrong;
Jesus said that all you have to do is love God and love your neighbor:
"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

No one can follow the "New Commandment" of Jesus by just "sitting there". Life transforms with love, not laziness or mere "belief". He did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", "believe that I am the Son of God or you will go to hell", or anything like that, so do not even bother with that for it is untruth. Jesus said you will live if you follow his New Commandment. You dare to contradict him?

My brother, you have to do the work and only YOU can turn YOUR LIFE around. This "savior" is a false teaching; you must "do what is true in the light, so that it may be clearly seen that your works have been carried out in God". It does nothing but encourage laziness when you claim that someone else has paid the price for your wicked deeds. If you care about his teachings, you will take his New Commandment to heart.

[gampher]

Obeying the law will save you if you obey it perfectly. You have not done so up until now. You will not do so in the future.

what the hell are you speaking ? who says what is perfect and what is not ?

There is only one person Who has obeyed the law perfectly. That is Jesus Christ. Since He has obeyed the law perfectly, He has the right to request and receive anything from His father... anything. He has requested you... if you believe on Him. He will not debase Himself below you. But He will take you with Him if you accept Him.

do you seriously know what you are saying ?

[BitNow]

For however much strong evidence exists that there is a God, there is an equal amount of evidence to prove that God doesn't exist.

You cannot prove with Science the existence of God.

The existence of God is a Faith problem.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing about someone who takes their religious teachings from an "alien". I don't agree with you. Jesus saves us, and demons have to bow down to Him. We are not a god. Your teachings are not Christian.

May patience be with you.

[Vod]

You cannot prove with Science the existence of God.

Which god?

Humans believe in thousands.   Did you just happen to pick the right one?  How can you be sure?

[BitNow]

Which god?

Humans believe in thousands.   Did you just happen to pick the right one?  How can you be sure?

God is one.
There is only one God.


Thank You.

[BADecker]

You cannot prove with Science the existence of God.

Which god?

Humans believe in thousands.   Did you just happen to pick the right one?  How can you be sure?

Actually, people believe in the same God. It is simply that they don't know enough about Him to realize that they are believing in the same God. He looks different the way various people describe Him.

There are also people who believe in the devil as God, and others who believe in people as gods, etc.  But when they believe in God, they all believe in the same God.

[BitNow]

and others who believe in people as gods, etc. 

Don't confound the Pope with normal people.

The Pope is the vicar of Christ, normal people is you and me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ


Thank You.