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April 11, 2019, 11:16:25 AM
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Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.

Even if this is true, atheists can force themselves to believe the things about God and salvation, and so be saved.

A person who loses an arm or a leg in life can still function. Life is simply more difficult.

People who lose the religion part of their brain can still believe God and be save. It is simply more difficult.

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Interesting point of view you have. I think it depends on individual capability of taking harm. Humans seek cure from suffer when they can't stop it. If our technology can't help we are trying to find help from something greater.

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April 11, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
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^^^ Another thing that humans do is to set their minds in such a way that they won't change, no matter the evidence or proof. The interesting thing is that no the more a person sets his mind, the stronger his mindset gets. But mindset doesn't change reality.

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April 11, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
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I don't know what that means, you asked for examples and I provided them, as usual you are ignoring the evidence because you are incapable of accepting it, you can't live without your imaginary god and that's fine but don't tell us you use science, you don't.

First, I didn't ask for examples. You simply misunderstood; I was making a statement by appearing to ask for examples;

Second, you continue to want to remain off-topic, and then state that you "don't know what that means;"

Third, why do you think that I am not accepting your evidence, since it only serves to maintain the things that I have been saying?;

Fourth, nobody can live without God. It is my hope that my imaginary god is way more like God than your imaginary god is.. at least until a time that our imaginary gods are very similar;

Fifth, why would I want to use science? After all, science is so extremely limited that, even given the chance and freedom it has today, it would take thousands of years for science to catch up to the facts that religion has achieved through revelation from God.

Wake up!, before it's too late for you. Atheism is one of the most stupid religions around.

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April 11, 2019, 08:24:13 PM
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I don't know what that means, you asked for examples and I provided them, as usual you are ignoring the evidence because you are incapable of accepting it, you can't live without your imaginary god and that's fine but don't tell us you use science, you don't.

First, I didn't ask for examples. You simply misunderstood; I was making a statement by appearing to ask for examples;

Second, you continue to want to remain off-topic, and then state that you "don't know what that means;"

Third, why do you think that I am not accepting your evidence, since it only serves to maintain the things that I have been saying?;

Fourth, nobody can live without God. It is my hope that my imaginary god is way more like God than your imaginary god is.. at least until a time that our imaginary gods are very similar;

Fifth, why would I want to use science? After all, science is so extremely limited that, even given the chance and freedom it has today, it would take thousands of years for science to catch up to the facts that religion has achieved through revelation from God.

Wake up!, before it's too late for you. Atheism is one of the most stupid religions around.

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You said it has never been found, I showed you examples where it was found, again you wont accept your defeat, the delusion is too strong. ''Fourth, nobody can live without God.'' Plenty of people died in horrible conditions even though they were believers, I don't know what you mean by this.

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April 11, 2019, 09:22:37 PM
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I don't know what that means, you asked for examples and I provided them, as usual you are ignoring the evidence because you are incapable of accepting it, you can't live without your imaginary god and that's fine but don't tell us you use science, you don't.

First, I didn't ask for examples. You simply misunderstood; I was making a statement by appearing to ask for examples;

Second, you continue to want to remain off-topic, and then state that you "don't know what that means;"

Third, why do you think that I am not accepting your evidence, since it only serves to maintain the things that I have been saying?;

Fourth, nobody can live without God. It is my hope that my imaginary god is way more like God than your imaginary god is.. at least until a time that our imaginary gods are very similar;

Fifth, why would I want to use science? After all, science is so extremely limited that, even given the chance and freedom it has today, it would take thousands of years for science to catch up to the facts that religion has achieved through revelation from God.

Wake up!, before it's too late for you. Atheism is one of the most stupid religions around.

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You said it has never been found, I showed you examples where it was found, again you wont accept your defeat, the delusion is too strong. ''Fourth, nobody can live without God.'' Plenty of people died in horrible conditions even though they were believers, I don't know what you mean by this.

Your examples are simply examples of people becoming excited because they thought they had found it. Not because they had found it.

Same with atheism. People think that they really have something in atheism. Then they find out that it is just another religion, because it doesn't fit nature and miracles and the fact that they live on faith... just like all the other false religions of the world.

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April 11, 2019, 10:03:40 PM
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I don't know what that means, you asked for examples and I provided them, as usual you are ignoring the evidence because you are incapable of accepting it, you can't live without your imaginary god and that's fine but don't tell us you use science, you don't.

First, I didn't ask for examples. You simply misunderstood; I was making a statement by appearing to ask for examples;

Second, you continue to want to remain off-topic, and then state that you "don't know what that means;"

Third, why do you think that I am not accepting your evidence, since it only serves to maintain the things that I have been saying?;

Fourth, nobody can live without God. It is my hope that my imaginary god is way more like God than your imaginary god is.. at least until a time that our imaginary gods are very similar;

Fifth, why would I want to use science? After all, science is so extremely limited that, even given the chance and freedom it has today, it would take thousands of years for science to catch up to the facts that religion has achieved through revelation from God.

Wake up!, before it's too late for you. Atheism is one of the most stupid religions around.

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You said it has never been found, I showed you examples where it was found, again you wont accept your defeat, the delusion is too strong. ''Fourth, nobody can live without God.'' Plenty of people died in horrible conditions even though they were believers, I don't know what you mean by this.

Your examples are simply examples of people becoming excited because they thought they had found it. Not because they had found it.

Same with atheism. People think that they really have something in atheism. Then they find out that it is just another religion, because it doesn't fit nature and miracles and the fact that they live on faith... just like all the other false religions of the world.

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How do you know the others are false religions? They also say the same about yours, there is no way to know which religion is the true religion.

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April 11, 2019, 10:17:59 PM
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How do you know the others are false religions? They also say the same about yours, there is no way to know which religion is the true religion.

We have gone through this in the past. The thing that anyone can plainly see is that your religion of non-religion is about the stupidest religion of all.

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April 13, 2019, 08:09:58 AM
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How do you know the others are false religions? They also say the same about yours, there is no way to know which religion is the true religion.

We have gone through this in the past. The thing that anyone can plainly see is that your religion of non-religion is about the stupidest religion of all.

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I guess atheists see us that was as well. As you said dude, i've seen all different arguments about religion and no one, christians, muslims, atheists, are giving ground and the arguments just keep on going in circles lol. Atheists became atheists for their own reasons, like we christians are because of our own. I don't think we can change anybody's mind here.

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April 13, 2019, 09:18:14 AM
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i can't fathom why those people have this kind of point of view in life, anyway, i'm still respecting them however, i am really wondering !
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April 13, 2019, 09:25:26 AM
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"Humanities" needs no religion. Honestly I believe if we think it deeply that all the different religious person are same in blood then it will be pretty much easier to live on our society with different types of religious. Which is really important for us is that we are not animal, we are human. We are different from animals because we got the ability to think about rights and wrongs. If we conflict with each other then that difference is nothing but a simple word.
But religion guides people in the right path!
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April 13, 2019, 10:37:04 AM
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How do you know the others are false religions? They also say the same about yours, there is no way to know which religion is the true religion.

We have gone through this in the past. The thing that anyone can plainly see is that your religion of non-religion is about the stupidest religion of all.

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If it was the stupidest then why all statistics show that educated people tend towards atheism rather than any other religion? Nothing suggests that smart people chose religion over science, nothing, in fact scientists are the group with biggest percentage of atheists.

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If it was the stupidest then why all statistics show that educated people tend towards atheism rather than any other religion? Nothing suggests that smart people chose religion over science, nothing, in fact scientists are the group with biggest percentage of atheists.


People with high IQ grow very confident in their ability to control the world and in their intellectual superiority over “lesser minds”. That leads to a tendency to reject inherited traditions as unwanted restraints from primitive times shackles placed upon them by their intellectual inferiors.

Like an intelligent teenager who rejects the rules of his school and parents because he wants to do his own thing and thinks he is smarter than his school teachers.

Ultimately it’s not a choice between science and religion that is a false dichotomy. The choice is between theism and a materialism which if embraced leads to nihilism.



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April 13, 2019, 03:27:37 PM
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Atheists do not hate religion. I am an atheist, but I treat religion superficially. I do not think that it is necessary as something to it relates.
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If it was the stupidest then why all statistics show that educated people tend towards atheism rather than any other religion? Nothing suggests that smart people chose religion over science, nothing, in fact scientists are the group with biggest percentage of atheists.


People with high IQ grow very confident in their ability to control the world and in their intellectual superiority over “lesser minds”. That leads to a tendency to reject inherited traditions as unwanted restraints from primitive times shackles placed upon them by their intellectual inferiors.

Like an intelligent teenager who rejects the rules of his school and parents because he wants to do his own thing and thinks he is smarter than his school teachers.

Ultimately it’s not a choice between science and religion that is a false dichotomy. The choice is between theism and a materialism which if embraced leads to nihilism.




Do they? Aren't stupid people the ones who think they are smart and smart people the ones who tend to underestimate their abilities? Your argument is that people with high IQ think they are better? Well, they are, usually. What's your point, though?

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April 14, 2019, 11:42:08 PM
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If it was the stupidest then why all statistics show that educated people tend towards atheism rather than any other religion? Nothing suggests that smart people chose religion over science, nothing, in fact scientists are the group with biggest percentage of atheists.


People with high IQ grow very confident in their ability to control the world and in their intellectual superiority over “lesser minds”. That leads to a tendency to reject inherited traditions as unwanted restraints from primitive times shackles placed upon them by their intellectual inferiors.

Like an intelligent teenager who rejects the rules of his school and parents because he wants to do his own thing and thinks he is smarter than his school teachers.

Ultimately it’s not a choice between science and religion that is a false dichotomy. The choice is between theism and a materialism which if embraced leads to nihilism.




Do they? Aren't stupid people the ones who think they are smart and smart people the ones who tend to underestimate their abilities? Your argument is that people with high IQ think they are better? Well, they are, usually. What's your point, though?

If you really want his point, all you need to do is read what he said... rather than interject all kinds of silly stuff, and then ask what his point was. It's right up above. Read it.

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If it was the stupidest then why all statistics show that educated people tend towards atheism rather than any other religion? Nothing suggests that smart people chose religion over science, nothing, in fact scientists are the group with biggest percentage of atheists.


People with high IQ grow very confident in their ability to control the world and in their intellectual superiority over “lesser minds”. That leads to a tendency to reject inherited traditions as unwanted restraints from primitive times shackles placed upon them by their intellectual inferiors.

Like an intelligent teenager who rejects the rules of his school and parents because he wants to do his own thing and thinks he is smarter than his school teachers.

Ultimately it’s not a choice between science and religion that is a false dichotomy. The choice is between theism and a materialism which if embraced leads to nihilism.

The choice is between materialism and spiritualism (which can lead to the belief in the supernatural which in turn leads to theism).

BTW, materialism can also lead to existentialism and/or humanism; and theism can lead to nihilism if your deity views human life as worthless.

You suffer from myopic Christian vision.
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^^^ Your expressed view is quite unscientific. After all, science is starting to suggest that there is such a thing as a spirit in each one of us.

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People with high IQ grow very confident in their ability to control the world and in their intellectual superiority over “lesser minds”. That leads to a tendency to reject inherited traditions as unwanted restraints from primitive times shackles placed upon them by their intellectual inferiors.

Like an intelligent teenager who rejects the rules of his school and parents because he wants to do his own thing and thinks he is smarter than his school teachers.

Ultimately it’s not a choice between science and religion that is a false dichotomy. The choice is between theism and a materialism which if embraced leads to nihilism.

The choice is between materialism and spiritualism (which can lead to the belief in the supernatural which in turn leads to theism).

BTW, materialism can also lead to existentialism and/or humanism; and theism can lead to nihilism if your deity views human life as worthless.

You suffer from myopic Christian vision.

I don't actually disagree with what you said here af_newbie well except for the part I struck out and the gratuitous insult at the end.

Spiritualism, however, does not have to lead to a belief in the supernatural. I don't believe in the supernatural. I think everything in the universe happens through cause and effect and there is a direct cause for every event. Those events that seem "supernatural" are simply events for which we don't understand the cause.

As for materialism leading to viewpoints distinct from nihilism. Well I am not a philosopher and I know they like to split hairs. Here is an excerpt from the wikipedia page on existentialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism#Criticisms
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Although nihilism and existentialism are distinct philosophies, they are often confused with one another as both are rooted in the human experience of anguish and confusion stemming from the apparent meaninglessness of a world in which humans are compelled to find or create meaning.[51] A primary cause of confusion is that Friedrich Nietzsche is an important philosopher in both fields. Existentialist philosophers often stress the importance of Angst as signifying the absolute lack of any objective ground for action, a move that is often reduced to a moral or an existential nihilism.

You know what they say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Nevertheless if you want to call this vastly different from nihilism fine. The foundations seem very similar to me.

You may also be correct that a theism centered on a deity that views human life as worthless could lead to nihilism. However, I tend to think that such a religion would lead to something much worse then nihilism. John C. Wright wrote a superb book describing what it might look like. Its a fascinating read. I wrote a review on it here.

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April 15, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
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^^^ Your expressed view is quite unscientific. After all, science is starting to suggest that there is such a thing as a spirit in each one of us.

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Right... when exactly has science done that? I would like to know, perhaps you can show us. Science suggests that death is, well, death, nothingness, there is nothing right now that suggests there is something else after death, not that it can't be possible since we don't know everything but if we are talking about what science suggests, that's what it suggests.

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April 15, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
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^^^ Your expressed view is quite unscientific. After all, science is starting to suggest that there is such a thing as a spirit in each one of us.

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Right... when exactly has science done that? I would like to know, perhaps you can show us. Science suggests that death is, well, death, nothingness, there is nothing right now that suggests there is something else after death, not that it can't be possible since we don't know everything but if we are talking about what science suggests, that's what it suggests.

So, you've been to the library, eh? But do you know how to use an Internet search engine?

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