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Atheists unfortunately don't understand that there are higher Powers his higher power involved that controls the world and we are mere tiny little things that are subject to it but they think they control everything
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Simply put: Who is your God?
Noone. Next question. Your problem is that you don't have enough of a scientific mind to see that you are trying to make yourself into your own god by claiming something that you don't have any knowledge about. Look at the following little story. It's about evolution and creation. ---------- In a galaxy far, far away, life evolved several billion years ago. It started long before life started on Earth, and it was of a kind that was different than any found on Earth. This life advanced rapidly, because it was near the core of the galaxy, in an area where mutations came about much more favorably for evolution. Several forms of life advanced to intelligence, but one form outdid all the others. The development of his form of life quickly outpaced even the greatness of human life on Earth today. It wasn't long before one creature of this life form developed the ability to control all aspects of the space/time continuum mentally. Realizing how wonderful it was to have this kind of control, and realizing how long it might take other evolved forms of life to achieve this great advancement (many wouldn't get this far, but would die out before they could make it), he/it decided to do something about the slow process called evolution. Using his mind, he dissolved space/time, including evolution, completely, and started it over with something called creation (about 7,500 years ago). In this creation thing, he placed intelligent forms of life that could advance, rapidly, to positions of mental space/time control just like his own. But for whatever reason, these creatures partially turned against the idea. They felt the coming grandeur, but advanced to the feeling of the grandeur, faster than advancing to their actual development. And, in so doing, started to destroy themselves. ---------- So you see? Here is one way that the anomalies of evolution and God can be blended to make all things look like they do, and to keep both evolution and creation intact, sort of. And you can't say that this could never happen... if you want to remain logical and honest, that is. The point of it is that you are going to need a whole lot of evidence to show that God doesn't exist. In the face of machine nature, God has to exist. And I don't mean you, in your exalting yourself as a god, because you think you can out-think nature and the real God. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 22, 2019, 01:56:52 PM |
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science has always been good for people, religion is mostly death
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^^^ Religion is the only reason why science is done at all. If people absolutely knew what the absolute future was going to be, they wouldn't need science, except to fulfill what they already knew. Since people don't know the future, science is only proving to be their religion for themselves. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 22, 2019, 03:59:22 PM |
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^^^ Religion is the only reason why science is done at all. If people absolutely knew what the absolute future was going to be, they wouldn't need science, except to fulfill what they already knew. Since people don't know the future, science is only proving to be their religion for themselves. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) ''1The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. ‘ideas about the relationship between science and religion’ More example sentencesSynonyms 1.1count noun A particular system of faith and worship. ‘the world's great religions’ More example sentencesSynonyms 1.2count noun A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. ‘consumerism is the new religion’'' No, science is not religion, science uses the scientific method to get to the truth, religion simply states things without any sort of evidence and fools believe it.
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April 22, 2019, 04:37:50 PM |
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^^^ Absolutely, science isn't the only religion, or the only part of the religion of which it is a part. The scientific method is one of the greatest parts of science for making it a religion. Why? Because science theories are part of the scientific method, and we know that science theories are not fact, just like you have been saying about the other religions. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 22, 2019, 08:17:17 PM |
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^^^ Absolutely, science isn't the only religion, or the only part of the religion of which it is a part. The scientific method is one of the greatest parts of science for making it a religion. Why? Because science theories are part of the scientific method, and we know that science theories are not fact, just like you have been saying about the other religions. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Nothing is a fact, ever, therefore your argument is worthless and meaningless, you will never be able to prove anything to an 100% degree since you don't even know if you are truly alive or simply an illusion, a virtual entity, a program, perhaps the universe is matrix. Anyhow, the word fact is simply stupid. Again, you can read the definition of religion and science, it doesn't really matter what you say, the definitions are clear ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 22, 2019, 09:47:38 PM |
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^^^ That's what Quantum Theory tells us. Yet we have a difficult time doing some of the bizarre things that we should be able to do if QT is right. So, I guess there are some facts and some non-facts after all. Among the facts is the fact that all atheists hate religion. The difference is that some of them don't know it, just like they don't know that God exists. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 23, 2019, 05:42:14 PM |
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^^^ That's what Quantum Theory tells us. Yet we have a difficult time doing some of the bizarre things that we should be able to do if QT is right. So, I guess there are some facts and some non-facts after all. Among the facts is the fact that all atheists hate religion. The difference is that some of them don't know it, just like they don't know that God exists. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Quantum theory also tells us about truly random events that you don't seem to accept either because it doesn't fit your narrative of ''cause and effect'' which is NOT a scientific law but rather a philosophical thought so I guess you pick what you want to believe and what not based simply on your ideology and not the truth.
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April 23, 2019, 08:32:51 PM |
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^^^ Why do you think that I don't accept random events. Haven't I been telling you that the events that brought C&E activity into effect were different than C&E? The fact that QT might assign a probability point to something, also suggests that something can be improbable enough so as to be impossible. As far as C&E being philosophy, it is only such because a bunch of people won't accept the fact that C&E is QT essentially absolute. Why? Because if everything were QT equally possible, we'd be able to do anything. You'd be out flapping your ears and flying around the city. As it is, it's only the flapping of the mouth that keeps you thinking that there are no limits, contrary to QT, btw. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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April 23, 2019, 11:21:26 PM |
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^^^ Why do you think that I don't accept random events. Haven't I been telling you that the events that brought C&E activity into effect were different than C&E? The fact that QT might assign a probability point to something, also suggests that something can be improbable enough so as to be impossible. As far as C&E being philosophy, it is only such because a bunch of people won't accept the fact that C&E is QT essentially absolute. Why? Because if everything were QT equally possible, we'd be able to do anything. You'd be out flapping your ears and flying around the city. As it is, it's only the flapping of the mouth that keeps you thinking that there are no limits, contrary to QT, btw. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) ''accept the fact'' and it is a fact because you say so? Are you a god or something? If you say something is a fact, it's a fact?
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April 25, 2019, 09:21:41 PM |
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^^^ Why do you think that I don't accept random events. Haven't I been telling you that the events that brought C&E activity into effect were different than C&E? The fact that QT might assign a probability point to something, also suggests that something can be improbable enough so as to be impossible. As far as C&E being philosophy, it is only such because a bunch of people won't accept the fact that C&E is QT essentially absolute. Why? Because if everything were QT equally possible, we'd be able to do anything. You'd be out flapping your ears and flying around the city. As it is, it's only the flapping of the mouth that keeps you thinking that there are no limits, contrary to QT, btw. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) ''accept the fact'' and it is a fact because you say so? Are you a god or something? If you say something is a fact, it's a fact? He's an idiot whose sole reason for existence can be defined by his own narcissistic viewpoint and self absolution. He is nothing more than a troll.
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April 26, 2019, 12:52:09 AM |
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^^^ Do you mean that something isn't a fact because you say it isn't? Don't you realize that facts are facts because they are, even if nobody knows that they are. In the case of C&E, the countless C&E processes prove it, along with the fact that we don't know of anything that is spontaneous. Remember, even the breakdown of radioactive material into radiation being random, is only a theory. So, even the scientists are saying that they don't know. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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'The Satanic Temple' Has Evolved Into An Anti-Trump Movement, And Leftists Are Flocking To Ithttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-25/satanic-temple-has-evolved-anti-trump-movement-and-leftists-are-flocking-itThe Satanic Temple is the perfect religion for progressives. You can believe anything you want, as long as you hate what Donald Trump, Christians and conservatives believe. Unlike the Church of Satan, the Satanic Temple doesn’t even believe in a supernatural entity called Satan. Instead, they celebrate Satan as “the ultimate rebel”, and they relish in using the symbol of Satan to greatly upset Christians. The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and from the very beginning it was clear that they were primarily a political movement. In fact, they openly tell prospective members that the only real requirement for joining is to believe “in the political and secular actions” of the group… “If there’s a local chapter where you are, to join you do have to be accepted, but there’s no initiation or anything. You don’t even have to be a Satanist, you can just be a strong ally who believes in the political and secular actionswithout being super stoked about all the aesthetic aspects.”Previously, Satanism in America had always been a shadowy underground movement, but the Satanic Temple has changed all that. Instead of avoiding the public eye, they believe that their rebellion against conservatives and Christians “requires a level of political participation”… 'black metal music, but with the Satanic philosophy being where Satanism represents rebellion against arbitrary authority, we believe it requires a level of political participation. I think that we need to go into the public sphere and announce ourselves without shame.’The organization grew rapidly after it was founded, but if Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election that probably would have put a damper on their political activism. But once Donald Trump won the election, interest in the group absolutely exploded… “The Satanic Temple attracted ‘thousands’ of new members in just the first 36 hours after the election of Donald Trump,” the group reported. “The 4-year-old temple, which had a pre-Trump membership of around 50,000, has never before seen a spike in registration nearly this big.”
“We’re definitely a resistance movement,”spokesperson and co-founder Lucien Greaves said after a speech outside the University of Colorado Boulder. “We stand in stark opposition to this idea that we must unify under a single religious banner.”Thanks to a favorable new documentary about the group, it is getting a lot of attention right now. And even many leftists that have absolutely no intention of joining the Satanic Temple are saying very positive things about the organization. For example, the following comes from a Huffington Post article entitled “Satan Is Having A Moment”… "Satanists, it turns out, are everything you think they’re not: patriotic, charitable, ethical, equality-minded, dedicated to picking up litter with pitchforks on an Arizona highway.
That much is clear in the fantastic new documentary “Hail Satan?” — which chronicles the rise of the Satanic Temple, a movement that has little to do with its titular demon. Founded in 2013, the organization is equal parts modern-day religion, political activist coalition and meta cultural revolution. By reclaiming the pop iconography that has long frightened evangelical America ― devil worship, ritualistic sacrifice, horns, pentagrams, the so-called Black Mass ― the Satanic Temple aims to catch people’s attention and then surprise them with messages of free speech, compassion, liberty and justice for all."Positive articles like that make members of the Satanic Temple sound like civic-minded do-gooders that just want to make a positive impact on society, but the truth is that they absolutely loathe everything that conservatives and Christians stand for.They really hate President Trump, and they really, really hate Vice-President Pence. Just consider what one of the co-founders of the Satanic Temple recently said about Pence… “[President Trump] is too stupid to predict; the guy has no concept of his own limitations. The thing that makes me most comfortable with Trump is the fact that he has no vision. Mike Pence really scares me,” Lucien Greaves told The Daily Beast in an interview published on Wednesday. “Pence has a clear, theocratic vision for the United States.”And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.As the group continues to grow, their national influence undoubtedly will as well. Perhaps it is appropriate that the Satanic Temple has gained such prominence. In our society today, we are literally locked in a battle of good vs. evil for the future of our nation, and it seems quite fitting that Satan has become a key symbol for the other side. To me, the Satanic Temple is more than just a little bit hypocritical. They claim to not believe in any supernatural entities, and yet they were just granted tax-exempt status “as a church” by the Internal Revenue Service… "The Satanic Temple has been officially recognized as a church by the Internal Revenue Service, three months after taking Sundance by storm as the subject of the documentary “Hail Satan?” According to an announcement from “Hail Satan?” distributor Magnolia Pictures, the temple is now eligible for the tax-exempt status given to other religious institutions." Either they are a “faith” or they are not. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that there is a lot more to the Satanic Temple than meets the eye. Just like their hero, the leaders of the Satanic Temple appear to be experts in deception, and they are leading thousands upon thousands of people down a very dark path.
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'The Satanic Temple' Has Evolved Into An Anti-Trump Movement, And Leftists Are Flocking To Ithttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-25/satanic-temple-has-evolved-anti-trump-movement-and-leftists-are-flocking-itThe Satanic Temple is the perfect religion for progressives. You can believe anything you want, as long as you hate what Donald Trump, Christians and conservatives believe. Unlike the Church of Satan, the Satanic Temple doesn’t even believe in a supernatural entity called Satan. Instead, they celebrate Satan as “the ultimate rebel”, and they relish in using the symbol of Satan to greatly upset Christians. The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and from the very beginning it was clear that they were primarily a political movement. In fact, they openly tell prospective members that the only real requirement for joining is to believe “in the political and secular actions” of the group… “If there’s a local chapter where you are, to join you do have to be accepted, but there’s no initiation or anything. You don’t even have to be a Satanist, you can just be a strong ally who believes in the political and secular actionswithout being super stoked about all the aesthetic aspects.”Previously, Satanism in America had always been a shadowy underground movement, but the Satanic Temple has changed all that. Instead of avoiding the public eye, they believe that their rebellion against conservatives and Christians “requires a level of political participation”… 'black metal music, but with the Satanic philosophy being where Satanism represents rebellion against arbitrary authority, we believe it requires a level of political participation. I think that we need to go into the public sphere and announce ourselves without shame.’The organization grew rapidly after it was founded, but if Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election that probably would have put a damper on their political activism. But once Donald Trump won the election, interest in the group absolutely exploded… “The Satanic Temple attracted ‘thousands’ of new members in just the first 36 hours after the election of Donald Trump,” the group reported. “The 4-year-old temple, which had a pre-Trump membership of around 50,000, has never before seen a spike in registration nearly this big.”
“We’re definitely a resistance movement,”spokesperson and co-founder Lucien Greaves said after a speech outside the University of Colorado Boulder. “We stand in stark opposition to this idea that we must unify under a single religious banner.”Thanks to a favorable new documentary about the group, it is getting a lot of attention right now. And even many leftists that have absolutely no intention of joining the Satanic Temple are saying very positive things about the organization. For example, the following comes from a Huffington Post article entitled “Satan Is Having A Moment”… "Satanists, it turns out, are everything you think they’re not: patriotic, charitable, ethical, equality-minded, dedicated to picking up litter with pitchforks on an Arizona highway.
That much is clear in the fantastic new documentary “Hail Satan?” — which chronicles the rise of the Satanic Temple, a movement that has little to do with its titular demon. Founded in 2013, the organization is equal parts modern-day religion, political activist coalition and meta cultural revolution. By reclaiming the pop iconography that has long frightened evangelical America ― devil worship, ritualistic sacrifice, horns, pentagrams, the so-called Black Mass ― the Satanic Temple aims to catch people’s attention and then surprise them with messages of free speech, compassion, liberty and justice for all."Positive articles like that make members of the Satanic Temple sound like civic-minded do-gooders that just want to make a positive impact on society, but the truth is that they absolutely loathe everything that conservatives and Christians stand for.They really hate President Trump, and they really, really hate Vice-President Pence. Just consider what one of the co-founders of the Satanic Temple recently said about Pence… “[President Trump] is too stupid to predict; the guy has no concept of his own limitations. The thing that makes me most comfortable with Trump is the fact that he has no vision. Mike Pence really scares me,” Lucien Greaves told The Daily Beast in an interview published on Wednesday. “Pence has a clear, theocratic vision for the United States.”And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.As the group continues to grow, their national influence undoubtedly will as well. Perhaps it is appropriate that the Satanic Temple has gained such prominence. In our society today, we are literally locked in a battle of good vs. evil for the future of our nation, and it seems quite fitting that Satan has become a key symbol for the other side. To me, the Satanic Temple is more than just a little bit hypocritical. They claim to not believe in any supernatural entities, and yet they were just granted tax-exempt status “as a church” by the Internal Revenue Service… "The Satanic Temple has been officially recognized as a church by the Internal Revenue Service, three months after taking Sundance by storm as the subject of the documentary “Hail Satan?” According to an announcement from “Hail Satan?” distributor Magnolia Pictures, the temple is now eligible for the tax-exempt status given to other religious institutions." Either they are a “faith” or they are not. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that there is a lot more to the Satanic Temple than meets the eye. Just like their hero, the leaders of the Satanic Temple appear to be experts in deception, and they are leading thousands upon thousands of people down a very dark path. Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them).
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Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts. Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. 3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another. 5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to: “And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.”
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So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.
But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.
WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?
Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.
Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.
The whole world is created in order to divide and separate people in groups. Religion is one of this condition. Some others are politics, football teams, other people consider language another feature that separates people. All people are equal and I don't think that people hates islam or islam hates people. We just try to make ouselves think that we are superior over another group.
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Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts. Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. 3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another. 5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to: “And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.” You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist? You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you? Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics? You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday. Is that why you are a Christian?
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Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts. Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. 3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another. 5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to: “And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.” You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist? You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you? Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics? You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday. Is that why you are a Christian? I think you are missing the point. If you believe in a certain religion you are simply following the good lessons it teaches. Asking if a satanists ideas are exactly the same as the churches is a redundant argument, because you are simply re-branding the word satanist to mean everything a christian believes. I can just copy all of christian beliefs and call it anything I want with that logic. In my opinion, the line is crossed when one religion claims to be the best.
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April 26, 2019, 04:38:15 PM |
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Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts. Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. 3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another. 5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to: “And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.” And there is a logical way of going from bible rules? Things like: "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22: 20-21) or "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21) You honestly think they are better or logical at all?
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