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September 10, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
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I don't mean hemp seed oil, I mean use the whole plant to make cannabis biodeisel.  I've read hemp is good for biodeisel but fully flowered plants will give you more energy. 

Biodiesel is made from oil.

Triglycerides + alcohol (+catalyst) --> fatty acid ester (biodiesel) + glycerol (+catalyst)

alcohol is usually methanol but could be ethanol.
catalyst can be NaOH or KOH, but more advanced catalysts might work better. Calcium hydroxide or calcium ethoxide or even some solid acids are being researched. Solid catalysts make the separation easier.

There is also a guy out there trying to sell a variant of this process:

Tryglyceride + 2 ethyl acetate --> 2 fatty acid ester + fatty acid glycerol diacetate

Which is a monophasic mixture, thus gives no waste product (glycerol in the usual synthesis). This mix has lower energy content than traditional biodiesel, so the easier production has a tradeoff, which is why it has not been adopted.


To bring this back on topic, you need the seeds to make biodiesel, but you do not get seeds if you harvest flowers.

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September 10, 2012, 11:47:43 PM
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I don't mean hemp seed oil, I mean use the whole plant to make cannabis biodeisel.  I've read hemp is good for biodeisel but fully flowered plants will give you more energy. 

Biodiesel is made from oil.

Triglycerides + alcohol (+catalyst) --> fatty acid ester (biodiesel) + glycerol (+catalyst)

alcohol is usually methanol but could be ethanol.
catalyst can be NaOH or KOH, but more advanced catalysts might work better. Calcium hydroxide or calcium ethoxide or even some solid acids are being researched. Solid catalysts make the separation easier.

There is also a guy out there trying to sell a variant of this process:

Tryglyceride + 2 ethyl acetate --> 2 fatty acid ester + fatty acid glycerol diacetate

Which is a monophasic mixture, thus gives no waste product (glycerol in the usual synthesis). This mix has lower energy content than traditional biodiesel, so the easier production has a tradeoff, which is why it has not been adopted.


To bring this back on topic, you need the seeds to make biodiesel, but you do not get seeds if you harvest flowers.
Perhaps I was thinking hemp ethanol.  I don't know for sure how flowers would affect it, but what someone said, about it increasing the amount of energy, makes sense.  Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

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September 11, 2012, 12:11:01 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

Your body, interestingly, has cannabinoid receptors.  It has been suggested that cannabis is the cause of mankind changing from an ape to a human.  It has also been suggested that cannabis is the inspiration for humans believing in god.

Whether either of those suggestions is is true or not it certainly is interesting that the human body has cannabinoid receptors (cb1 and cb2) and that cannabis is the only plant known to produce cannabinoids.  We should all wonder "why do we have receptors for cannabinoids" in our bodies.
I'm pretty sure all animals have cannabinoid receptors, I know my fish does, works as a medicine on him too.  I agree, there's a few other chemicals that probably played a role in that, as well.

I never believed in god until altering my conscience (over time).

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September 11, 2012, 12:47:21 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
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September 11, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.

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September 11, 2012, 12:56:24 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
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September 11, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?

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September 11, 2012, 01:13:47 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
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September 11, 2012, 01:14:34 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?

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September 11, 2012, 01:18:16 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.

It requires chemical energy for the plant to make the chemicals, so there is a small amount of energy transfered. The amount of energy is quite small. The affect of the drug is due to interactions with receptors, not because of the energy in the chemical.

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September 11, 2012, 01:24:11 AM
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It requires chemical energy for the plant to make the chemicals, so there is a small amount of energy transfered. The amount of energy is quite small. The affect of the drug is due to interactions with receptors, not because of the energy in the chemical.

Just FYI, you're talking to someone who thinks that cancer comes from thinking negative thoughts. How people trust him with their money is a mystery to me.
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September 11, 2012, 01:25:04 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?
Why are you dodging the question? I asked you first.
Energy is classically defined as "the ability to do work." I'd further define doing work as "causing a change." Obviously, you're going to jump on that and say "being high is a change, ah-ha!" Something as primitive as energy, however, is difficult to define; don't pull a MNW.

Now, being high is a change. A very small amount of chemical energy is required to create this change in the brain. If you feel "strong" or "energetic" or something along those lines while high, though, that's not due to an influx of energy (let's abstract energy at least as far as ATP, thanks); it's simply the THC altering your perception.

Going back to the original quote, "Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant" now. That statement is largely incorrect. Getting high is your feelings, emotions, and perceptions being altered due to the reactions in your brain which use or release a small amount of energy. The use of the word 'transfer' implies you can use the energy transferred. You can't.
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September 11, 2012, 01:33:42 AM
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It requires chemical energy for the plant to make the chemicals, so there is a small amount of energy transfered. The amount of energy is quite small. The affect of the drug is due to interactions with receptors, not because of the energy in the chemical.

Just FYI, you're talking to someone who thinks that cancer comes from thinking negative thoughts. How people trust him with their money is a mystery to me.

I know who I am talking to, I really don't expect him to understand more than half what I say, but for some reason I say it anyway. I also find it mysterious that anybody would trust him with a computer, let alone money.

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September 11, 2012, 01:35:21 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?
Why are you dodging the question? I asked you first.
Energy is classically defined as "the ability to do work." I'd further define doing work as "causing a change." Obviously, you're going to jump on that and say "being high is a change, ah-ha!" Something as primitive as energy, however, is difficult to define; don't pull a MNW.

Now, being high is a change. A very small amount of chemical energy is required to create this change in the brain. If you feel "strong" or "energetic" or something along those lines while high, though, that's not due to an influx of energy (let's abstract energy at least as far as ATP, thanks); it's simply the THC altering your perception.

Going back to the original quote, "Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant" now. That statement is largely incorrect. Getting high is your feelings, emotions, and perceptions being altered due to the reactions in your brain which use or release a small amount of energy. The use of the word 'transfer' implies you can use the energy transferred. You can't.
Thanks for inaccurately answering for me.  I'm not arguing about what energy is, I'm just saying the energy from the earth/universe is released into your brain when you smoke weed, no matter how small of amount.

It requires chemical energy for the plant to make the chemicals, so there is a small amount of energy transfered. The amount of energy is quite small. The affect of the drug is due to interactions with receptors, not because of the energy in the chemical.

Just FYI, you're talking to someone who thinks that cancer comes from thinking negative thoughts. How people trust him with their money is a mystery to me.
Scientific proof backs up my claim that sickness is caused by a weak soul, where's your evidence?

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September 11, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?
Why are you dodging the question? I asked you first.
Energy is classically defined as "the ability to do work." I'd further define doing work as "causing a change." Obviously, you're going to jump on that and say "being high is a change, ah-ha!" Something as primitive as energy, however, is difficult to define; don't pull a MNW.

Now, being high is a change. A very small amount of chemical energy is required to create this change in the brain. If you feel "strong" or "energetic" or something along those lines while high, though, that's not due to an influx of energy (let's abstract energy at least as far as ATP, thanks); it's simply the THC altering your perception.

Going back to the original quote, "Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant" now. That statement is largely incorrect. Getting high is your feelings, emotions, and perceptions being altered due to the reactions in your brain which use or release a small amount of energy. The use of the word 'transfer' implies you can use the energy transferred. You can't.
Thanks for inaccurately answering for me.  I'm not arguing about what energy is, I'm just saying the energy from the earth/universe is released into your brain when you smoke weed, no matter how small of amount.

You're also claiming that the small amount of energy causes the high, which is incorrect.
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September 11, 2012, 01:39:26 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?
Why are you dodging the question? I asked you first.
Energy is classically defined as "the ability to do work." I'd further define doing work as "causing a change." Obviously, you're going to jump on that and say "being high is a change, ah-ha!" Something as primitive as energy, however, is difficult to define; don't pull a MNW.

Now, being high is a change. A very small amount of chemical energy is required to create this change in the brain. If you feel "strong" or "energetic" or something along those lines while high, though, that's not due to an influx of energy (let's abstract energy at least as far as ATP, thanks); it's simply the THC altering your perception.

Going back to the original quote, "Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant" now. That statement is largely incorrect. Getting high is your feelings, emotions, and perceptions being altered due to the reactions in your brain which use or release a small amount of energy. The use of the word 'transfer' implies you can use the energy transferred. You can't.
Thanks for inaccurately answering for me.  I'm not arguing about what energy is, I'm just saying the energy from the earth/universe is released into your brain when you smoke weed, no matter how small of amount.

You're also claiming that the small amount of energy causes the high, which is incorrect.
No, I said it's a transfer of energy.

Sorry Viceroy, just trying to clear up misinformation regarding cannabis.

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September 11, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
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Scientific proof backs up my claim that sickness is caused by a weak soul

I'd like to see your scientific proof.

where's your evidence?

I have made no claims, what should I show you evidence of exactly?

edit... Viceroy, sorry for the off topic posts, but what the fuck, how could I not respond to this?
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September 11, 2012, 01:59:34 AM
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Scientific proof backs up my claim that sickness is caused by a weak soul

I'd like to see your scientific proof.

where's your evidence?

I have made no claims, what should I show you evidence of exactly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2594498/

You inferred that cancer is not caused by negativity, a week soul.  I'm not saying faith in religion will heal you, I'm saying faith in yourself.

If you really want evidence, all you have to do is think, within yourself.  If life is what you perceive to be real, what you believe, if you perceive that you're dying, you're going to die.  If you believe that you're healthy, by having a healthy soul, you won't.

Remember, everything happens for a reason, after all.

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Scientific proof backs up my claim that sickness is caused by a weak soul, where's your evidence?

What?

How can you have scientific proof that someone has a "weak soul"?

People like you are where all these ridiculous stoner stereotypes come from.










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September 11, 2012, 02:00:25 AM
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Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant, after all.

No. No it is not. It has certain chemicals which react interestingly with your brain.
It's both.
Do you know what "energy" actually is?
Do you?
Yes.
What is it?
Why are you dodging the question? I asked you first.
Energy is classically defined as "the ability to do work." I'd further define doing work as "causing a change." Obviously, you're going to jump on that and say "being high is a change, ah-ha!" Something as primitive as energy, however, is difficult to define; don't pull a MNW.

Now, being high is a change. A very small amount of chemical energy is required to create this change in the brain. If you feel "strong" or "energetic" or something along those lines while high, though, that's not due to an influx of energy (let's abstract energy at least as far as ATP, thanks); it's simply the THC altering your perception.

Going back to the original quote, "Getting high is a transfer of energy from the plant" now. That statement is largely incorrect. Getting high is your feelings, emotions, and perceptions being altered due to the reactions in your brain which use or release a small amount of energy. The use of the word 'transfer' implies you can use the energy transferred. You can't.
Thanks for inaccurately answering for me.  I'm not arguing about what energy is, I'm just saying the energy from the earth/universe is released into your brain when you smoke weed, no matter how small of amount.

You're also claiming that the small amount of energy causes the high, which is incorrect.
No, I said it's a transfer of energy.
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