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July 30, 2015, 11:31:27 AM
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It is not an issue for existing moneypot users and existing Betterbets users, but it could make new visitors confused.
When they expect to see a demo, but instead are shown with that error message, many of them will probably just close the tab and will never be back again.

To be honest that is just a matter of preferences. Some user will sign up a new account to access the site (which only take a minute) while some other love to browse through with demo mode instead. However this issue only happen recently as I didnt recall anything like this to happen before. Beside that no matter how small the bug is , BetterBets development team will squeeze the bug out to make a bug-less site so you can be sure this will be taken care of

EDIT : It seems the development team is fixing this right now  Smiley

Yeah, I seem to have broken something during the last update. I'll fix that ASAP.
Thanks for reporting.

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July 30, 2015, 12:55:37 PM
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When I go on the demo page all I get are JS popups saying "Error processing request".
Can't see any bets while this is happening.
Browser was Chrome.

Hello, it is both sad and ironic your first experience was a negative one, we will fix the demo version shortly. I believe the API update may have caused this to break.

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July 30, 2015, 03:56:43 PM
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When I go on the demo page all I get are JS popups saying "Error processing request".
Can't see any bets while this is happening.
Browser was Chrome.

Hello, it is both sad and ironic your first experience was a negative one, we will fix the demo version shortly. I believe the API update may have caused this to break.

Yes, that is correct. The API implementation required some rather invasive changes since some of the assumptions of online sessions simply don't apply to API connections. As in the course of implementing the API, I managed to nuke the guest mode. Working on a fix right now.
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July 30, 2015, 04:01:39 PM
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When I go on the demo page all I get are JS popups saying "Error processing request".
Can't see any bets while this is happening.
Browser was Chrome.

Hello, it is both sad and ironic your first experience was a negative one, we will fix the demo version shortly. I believe the API update may have caused this to break.

No problem. I read above that the demo page isn't used much so probably why it went unnoticed.
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July 30, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
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Was there an extortion coming when the ddos happened? If there is no then you know damn well it is coming from competitor  Roll Eyes. The whole moneypot especially betterbets seems to be on fire with the increasing of the investor's profit

Some competitor could be not happy with it Roll Eyes
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July 30, 2015, 07:58:54 PM
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Was there an extortion coming when the ddos happened? If there is no then you know damn well it is coming from competitor  Roll Eyes. The whole moneypot especially betterbets seems to be on fire with the increasing of the investor's profit

Some competitor could be not happy with it Roll Eyes

It was a concern yeah, but so far nothing in our inbox. Secretly, I was hoping they would at least say "ok we trolled you enough" and call it a truce Smiley

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July 30, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
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Was there an extortion coming when the ddos happened? If there is no then you know damn well it is coming from competitor  Roll Eyes. The whole moneypot especially betterbets seems to be on fire with the increasing of the investor's profit

Some competitor could be not happy with it Roll Eyes

Extortion demands are pretty irrelevant, I was in communication with one such person before and I asked him if he really expects anyone to pay and his response was along the lines of: "lol no, but it's fun to make people stress over it"

Short of a public confession, the source of DDoS's are pretty much unknowable. However, I've had nothing but positive interactions with other site operators, so I don't subscribe too much to the hostile-competitor theories. Most of us are in the same boat trying to make bitcoin gambling strictly superior to fiat gambling.

Regardless of the origin, the course of action is always the same: hardening the systems against further attacks. So let's just assume the best, and not sow too many seeds of distrust =)

Check out gamblingsitefinder.com for a decent list/rankings of crypto casinos. Note: I have no affiliation or interest in it, and don't even agree with all the rankings ... but it's the only uncorrupted review site I'm aware of.
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July 30, 2015, 08:33:48 PM
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Was there an extortion coming when the ddos happened? If there is no then you know damn well it is coming from competitor  Roll Eyes. The whole moneypot especially betterbets seems to be on fire with the increasing of the investor's profit

Some competitor could be not happy with it Roll Eyes

Extortion demands are pretty irrelevant, I was in communication with one such person before and I asked him if he really expects anyone to pay and his response was along the lines of: "lol no, but it's fun to make people stress over it"

Short of a public confession, the source of DDoS's are pretty much unknowable. However, I've had nothing but positive interactions with other site operators, so I don't subscribe too much to the hostile-competitor theories. Most of us are in the same boat trying to make bitcoin gambling strictly superior to fiat gambling.

Regardless of the origin, the course of action is always the same: hardening the systems against further attacks. So let's just assume the best, and not sow too many seeds of distrust =)


Wise words as always , this is why I like you most among the other shitty dev , and Dooglus too I like his attitude as well as how he take care of scam site Dadice lol. Oh well at least there is no ddos anymore
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July 31, 2015, 01:05:11 AM
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We just pushed out a new version which improves the API, fixes Guest mode and a bunch of other stuff. Please see the dev post (2nd post of this thread) for all the gory details.

Enjoy and play it safe.
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July 31, 2015, 01:27:17 AM
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Added your site to http://dicesites.com for stats and also made a BetterBets provably fair verifier Smiley




While making this verifier I noticed a few things:
1) What is "Client Seed Sequence"? It seems to be not used at all.
2) Could you show the "server secret" (which is MP's roll) on the bet detail popup? Obviously used for verifying the rolls, and it's not very convenient to let the players go to 2 sites to copy the data.
3) IMO, you should generate a random client seed before every bet in the browser. If a player bets with the same client seed every time, in theory MoneyPot could give "next server seeds" based on their betting pattern. So if a player is betting high every time, they would give low numbers based on the same repeated client seed. I am not accusing MoneyPot of this AT ALL, RHavar seems a trustworthy person to me, but provably fair is all about not needing to trust the site owner.
4) AFAIK you should allow the client seed to be a number in the range of 0 and 2^32-1. However you are saving it now a signed INT which has a limit of 2^31-1. You should make it unsigned so the player can put the full range of numbers as client seed. In theory again MP could influence the outcomes with the information that the client seed will always be limited/low.
5) It is possible to directly link to my verifier with: a link like this (ss = salt, ssh = server seed, sr = secret, cr = client seed) There are several sites that do link to my verifiers, which make it easier for the players to verify their bets, but it's obv up to you Smiley

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@NLNico that sounds great betterbets get listed to dicesites collection so that is great achievement for BB team, i am also interested to know about how they will make satisfied you for your listed question and when the verifier link will be functional to verify bet result through this.
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@NLNico that sounds great betterbets get listed to dicesites collection so that is great achievement for BB team, i am also interested to know about how they will make satisfied you for your listed question
It's mostly about wagered amount (=popularity) and site age. However since BB uses MoneyPot and the funds/RNG/etc are on MP (so the player mostly has to trust MP), the site age is less relevant to me. BB has almost 4k wagered in 2 months, which is pretty good for a new site.

I replied to your comment also in the DiceSites thread, so if you have specific questions about other sites, pls reply there Smiley

.. and when the verifier link will be functional to verify bet result through this.
The verifier works already, only you need to copy the data (seeds, salt and secret) yourself. It's up to BB if they want to link to my verifier :p

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July 31, 2015, 01:02:01 PM
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Added your site to http://dicesites.com for stats and also made a BetterBets provably fair verifier Smiley




While making this verifier I noticed a few things:
1) What is "Client Seed Sequence"? It seems to be not used at all.
2) Could you show the "server secret" (which is MP's roll) on the bet detail popup? Obviously used for verifying the rolls, and it's not very convenient to let the players go to 2 sites to copy the data.
3) IMO, you should generate a random client seed before every bet in the browser. If a player bets with the same client seed every time, in theory MoneyPot could give "next server seeds" based on their betting pattern. So if a player is betting high every time, they would give low numbers based on the same repeated client seed. I am not accusing MoneyPot of this AT ALL, RHavar seems a trustworthy person to me, but provably fair is all about not needing to trust the site owner.
4) AFAIK you should allow the client seed to be a number in the range of 0 and 2^32-1. However you are saving it now a signed INT which has a limit of 2^31-1. You should make it unsigned so the player can put the full range of numbers as client seed. In theory again MP could influence the outcomes with the information that the client seed will always be limited/low.
5) It is possible to directly link to my verifier with: a link like this (ss = salt, ssh = server seed, sr = secret, cr = client seed) There are several sites that do link to my verifiers, which make it easier for the players to verify their bets, but it's obv up to you Smiley


Thank you NLNico, I just want you to know I personally appreciate you taking the time to add us to your site. As to the questions you had I must step aside to let development answer those, but still want you to know your addition of BetterBets was very important to me.

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July 31, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
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Added your site to http://dicesites.com for stats and also made a BetterBets provably fair verifier Smiley




While making this verifier I noticed a few things:
1) What is "Client Seed Sequence"? It seems to be not used at all.
2) Could you show the "server secret" (which is MP's roll) on the bet detail popup? Obviously used for verifying the rolls, and it's not very convenient to let the players go to 2 sites to copy the data.
3) IMO, you should generate a random client seed before every bet in the browser. If a player bets with the same client seed every time, in theory MoneyPot could give "next server seeds" based on their betting pattern. So if a player is betting high every time, they would give low numbers based on the same repeated client seed. I am not accusing MoneyPot of this AT ALL, RHavar seems a trustworthy person to me, but provably fair is all about not needing to trust the site owner.
4) AFAIK you should allow the client seed to be a number in the range of 0 and 2^32-1. However you are saving it now a signed INT which has a limit of 2^31-1. You should make it unsigned so the player can put the full range of numbers as client seed. In theory again MP could influence the outcomes with the information that the client seed will always be limited/low.
5) It is possible to directly link to my verifier with: a link like this (ss = salt, ssh = server seed, sr = secret, cr = client seed) There are several sites that do link to my verifiers, which make it easier for the players to verify their bets, but it's obv up to you Smiley


1) It's the number of bets which have been taken with this client seed
2) Yes, will add.
3) That sort of defeats the purpose of letting the user set a client seed, doesn't it? Or do you mean generate a client seed based on the user's chosen client seed?
4) Will fix.
5) Yes, will add to the bet popup screen.

Thanks for your feedback and suggestions, they're very much appreciated.
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July 31, 2015, 03:16:06 PM
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While on the topic of provably fair, one idea I had would be that users could pick a client seed string like "LuckSeed" that they use on the app page. Then each bet the app does something like:

sha256('LuckySeed|' + nonce)

and take the first 4 bytes of that hash to use as the API client seed on MoneyPot. That has the huge advantage of:

a) The app being able to instantly verify each bet  (which is, way, way easier to do programmatically)
b) The user is able to batch verify bets  (which is way, way, easier to do as a human)


The big disadvantage is that if the app developer was conspiring with moneypot they could send the "client seed string" to moneypot which would allow moneypot to predict what clientSeeds the bets are going to use. In reality it probably wouldn't be feasible, but is a bit inelegant.  I guess it's up to each individual app to decide if that's a good idea or not. But for the case of a downloadable betting app (which requires trust) it seems perfect.


But for a website probably the best thing to do is:


a) Generate a strong, unpredictable client seeds for each bet (I recommend something along the lines of dustdice's function: https://gist.github.com/RHavar/a6511dea4d4c41aeb1eb )


b) Store/Save the server hash in the case of errors, or before making bets. Using localStorage is fine. The idea is that if moneypot ever returns an error, the same hash and client seed must be reused  ( to prevent the described "stalling" )


c) Actually verify that the results are what they should be, the hash matches and the profit is expected. In the case of any provably fair error, the app should at least notify the user






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July 31, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
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Receiving error message AUTH_ID_OR_SECRET each time i try to bet.  Ive logged in and out of the site and money pot.  Any idea on resolving?

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molloype
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July 31, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
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Receiving error message AUTH_ID_OR_SECRET each time i try to bet.  Ive logged in and out of the site and money pot.  Any idea on resolving?

Thanks,
molloype

Oh Hi molloype, didnt expect to see that you in Bitcointalk. Apparently the site is under entire system check at the moment. It will be back soon however there is no ETA for that ( dont quote me on this ). Im terribly sorry for this  Sad

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