Minor trust score algorithm change

[dogie]

Can i ask a clear explanation on what does the 'month' do or its effect? I cant understand it clearly

Brand new trust ratings are worth 1 point, rising to 10 after 10 months have passed.

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[Vod]

Brand new trust ratings are worth 1 point, rising to 10 after 10 months have passed.

So old trust is worth more than new trust .  I like it.  

[guitarplinker]

I'm liking this new trust system, seems to give older scammers a red tag like they deserve. I noticed this on the 'creativex' account, the guy who ran the bASIC-MINING scam now has red trust, and before he didn't.

I also agree with what others said a few pages back though, it doesn't seem right for users with a single positive feedback to have a +10 score after a year of doing nothing, I definitely think it creates a sense of false trust, at least if people don't go and check out the user's actual ratings.

[master-P]

I'm liking this new trust system, seems to give older scammers a red tag like they deserve. I noticed this on the 'creativex' account, the guy who ran the bASIC-MINING scam now has red trust, and before he didn't.

I also agree with what others said a few pages back though, it doesn't seem right for users with a single positive feedback to have a +10 score after a year of doing nothing, I definitely think it creates a sense of false trust, at least if people don't go and check out the user's actual ratings.

I believe a +10 trust score will eventually even out and not be as much compared to other trust scores. Since the new system basically makes older trust ratings add more value to your trust score. A member with a single trust rating can get a +10 score from that rating alone but nothing more. I do like the new system more, it makes more sense to me and I believe it is easier for others to understand as well. The old algorithm was honestly a pretty big mystery to me that I didn't bother looking into too much.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Thank you, theymos! It looks good now.

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I also agree with what others said a few pages back though, it doesn't seem right for users with a single positive feedback to have a +10 score after a year of doing nothing, I definitely think it creates a sense of false trust, at least if people don't go and check out the user's actual ratings.

I also agree. Something should be done about this.

[PenguinFire]

Good changes staff.    I feel it is a little easier to understand now for newer users.

[TECSHARE]

In situations like TECSHARE's, you can (if you trust TECSHARE and disagree with Vod) post an additional positive rating responding to whatever Vod said. This will counteract Vod's negative rating.

So in effect, what you are saying is that the trust system is no longer about who trades and who is trusted with what, rather it is now about a popularity contest, and who you can convince to join your own circlejerk club. Can you explain to me why I deserve to be excluded from the entire default trust tree over one rating while Vod can negative rate me (and lots of others) without repercussion negating my entire trust over the fact that he doesn't like what I have to say about him? Every time you "improve" the trust system it becomes more and more arbitrary and able to be manipulated from the top.

[Bicknellski]

Lobbying / popularity getting out the vote is what any system like this based on.

Do what most people do put a ~ next to all those that neg rep you including those on the default list you get your belibers to follow suit presto chango your positive. Hate Vod get everyone of your belibers to neg him he is neg to you and them. US vs. Them vs. Them. Always been this way. If your army is bigger than the default list you have sway. Please keep campaigning I'll join your army tecshare minus negging rep on Vod. I'll just copy your trust setup okay?

In situations like TECSHARE's, you can (if you trust TECSHARE and disagree with Vod) post an additional positive rating responding to whatever Vod said. This will counteract Vod's negative rating.

So in effect, what you are saying is that the trust system is no longer about who trades and who is trusted with what, rather it is now about a popularity contest, and who you can convince to join your own circlejerk club. Can you explain to me why I deserve to be excluded from the entire default trust tree over one rating while Vod can negative rate me (and lots of others) without repercussion negating my entire trust over the fact that he doesn't like what I have to say about him? Every time you "improve" the trust system it becomes more and more arbitrary and able to be manipulated from the top.

Since the change:

 dogie from +63 to -481
 quickseller -20 to -90
 VOD -100 to -2011
 Techshare +100 to ? ? ?
 Bicknellski +63 to +75

I'll see how I can make you positive since I trust you and VOD.

Edit:

Done now you are O.

Techshare Trust:   0: -1 / +42

All I did was put ~Vod.

Seems fair right?

[Blazr]

I'm now seeing this for theymos with my trust list:


It seems to be caused by a single negative trust from someone in my trust network:


This doesn't seem right to me, that seems too easy for users to lose their score. You can see above theymos has lots of positive from people in my trust network, but the single negative made him lose his green score.

[chronicsky]

I'm now seeing this for theymos with my trust list:


It seems to be caused by a single negative trust from someone in my trust network:


This doesn't seem right to me, that seems too easy for users to lose their score. You can see above theymos has lots of positive from people in my trust network, but the single negative made him lose his green score.

Yes! This is actually bad and removes the so called use of Trust
He says one negative trust can negate 100 positive points

I'm liking this new trust system, seems to give older scammers a red tag like they deserve. I noticed this on the 'creativex' account, the guy who ran the bASIC-MINING scam now has red trust, and before he didn't.

I also agree with what others said a few pages back though, it doesn't seem right for users with a single positive feedback to have a +10 score after a year of doing nothing, I definitely think it creates a sense of false trust, at least if people don't go and check out the user's actual ratings.

I believe a +10 trust score will eventually even out and not be as much compared to other trust scores. Since the new system basically makes older trust ratings add more value to your trust score. A member with a single trust rating can get a +10 score from that rating alone but nothing more. I do like the new system more, it makes more sense to me and I believe it is easier for others to understand as well. The old algorithm was honestly a pretty big mystery to me that I didn't bother looking into too much.

I never understood it as well!
This one is quite easy to understand and i don't know why does it matter if 1 trust score can go upto 10 , they still stay light Green unlike before when 5+ meant Dark Green.
Though am not sure yet when it becomes Dark Green because i saw people with 19 as first number ,having Dark GReen too

[hilariousandco]

Since the change:

 dogie from +63 to -481
 quickseller -20 to -90
 VOD -100 to -2011
 Techshare +100 to ? ? ?
 Bicknellski +63 to +75

I'll see how I can make you positive since I trust you and VOD.

I don't think it we be possible to trust both Tecshare and Vod's ratings simultaneously with them both showing up as trusted because vod has left negative on Tecshare.

This doesn't seem right to me, that seems too easy for users to lose their score. You can see above theymos has lots of positive from people in my trust network, but the single negative made him lose his green score.

Yeah I think something has to change. I see Tecshare at ? ??: -1 / +8 and he shouldn't lose all his green trust just because of one neg.

[Bicknellski]

Edited my Trust Settings and here are my results now.



Conclusion:

You can use the ~ to set whatever trust you want for any user you like really given they have a reasonable number of positive ratings already. If you don't like it get your fans to support you and change it, or if you are dogie use your shill network and attack others that post your dirty laundry in the forums and use the moderator button hard and often to get your enemies banned that is how works and will continue to work as the tweaks have already been made. Heck those with any real ethics, unlike Adam Allcock, should band together and ~ the whole default trust list and rebuild it trust in a more utopian image.

Now if only Techshare and Vod would just shake hands and broker the truce then I can remove the ~Vod and tweak my trust settings more. I hate it when daddy and daddy fight. Basically I want to add ~ to anyone they both marked negative after I review their claims except for Vod's claim against Techshare which should disappear soon enough.

Since the change:

 dogie from +63 to -481
 quickseller -20 to -90
 VOD -100 to -2011
 Techshare +100 to ? ? ?
 Bicknellski +63 to +75

I'll see how I can make you positive since I trust you and VOD.

I don't think it we be possible to trust both Tecshare and Vod's ratings simultaneously with them both showing up as trusted because vod has left negative on Tecshare.

This doesn't seem right to me, that seems too easy for users to lose their score. You can see above theymos has lots of positive from people in my trust network, but the single negative made him lose his green score.

Yeah I think something has to change. I see Tecshare at ? ??: -1 / +8 and he shouldn't lose all his green trust just because of one neg.

[Blazr]

It would be nice to add a link each of the trusted feedbacks that easily lets you remove that user from your trust list, and also add a link to each of the untrusted feedbacks that lets you add a user to your trust list.

[dogie]

You can use the ~ to set whatever trust you want for any user you like really given they have a reasonable number of positive ratings already. If you don't like it get your fan to support you and change it. Heck band together and ~ the whole default trust list and rebuild it in your own image.

The only thing that would change is your and your friend's perspective. Nothing else would change if neither of you are trustworthy.

[Muhammed Zakir]

What do you think about using previous formula with current trust rating style(removing last number)? Previous formula will have to be altered a bit. I didn't like current formula TBH. My rating would be 1: -0 / +4 with old formula which is much better (and looks more accurate) than 8: -0 / +4. Views?

[CrackedLogic]

"Minor change"...

What do you think about using previous formula with current trust rating style(removing last number)? Previous formula will have to be altered a bit. I didn't like current formula TBH. My rating would be 1: -0 / +4 with old formula which is much better (and looks more accurate) than 8: -0 / +4. Views?

I also prefer the old formula, however this doesn't affect me in any way. To old users on the forum it's going to be hard to get to grips with it *since the ratings seem to be immensely high. I see that the dark trust has comes when it's higher. All in all, I still prefer the old system. If you could show the total trust left along with the unique trust that would be great.



*Edit.

[koelen3]

I was confused to see why is the fourth number missing in the Trust of people.
Can't get a hold of this  

And why do i see this Question marks with Red ink on this person's profile ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=148389




He used to appear light green if i remember correct

[Muhammed Zakir]

I was confused to see why is the fourth number missing in the Trust of people.
Can't get a hold of this 

And why do i see this Question marks with Red ink on this person's profile ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=148389




He used to appear light green if i remember correct

I assume BayAreaCoins is in your trust list and his rating is new. Hence, you will see that rating. FYI he is still green for me.

The code is : if(score < 0)
         return ?? ? (orange)

Hence it returned ?? ?

??? is a valid score in the new algorithm.

Doesn't that mean if someone receives a positive and a negative rating, they'll go negative if the negative is newer?

If someone has 1 positive and 1 negative, then the time doesn't matter. They'll have a score of -1.

Examples:
Old -> New
+ - : -1
- + : -1
+ + - : ???
+ - + : 0
- + + : 1
+ + + : >=3
- - + : -3
+ - - : -3
- - - : -8

 -snip-

[koelen3]

I was confused to see why is the fourth number missing in the Trust of people.
Can't get a hold of this 

And why do i see this Question marks with Red ink on this person's profile ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=148389




He used to appear light green if i remember correct

I assume BayAreaCoins is in your trust list and his rating is new. Hence, you will see that rating. FYI he is still green for me.

The code is : if(score < 0)
         return ?? ? (orange)

Hence it returned ?? ?

??? is a valid score in the new algorithm.

Doesn't that mean if someone receives a positive and a negative rating, they'll go negative if the negative is newer?

If someone has 1 positive and 1 negative, then the time doesn't matter. They'll have a score of -1.

Examples:
Old -> New
+ - : -1
- + : -1
+ + - : ???
+ - + : 0
- + + : 1
+ + + : >=3
- - + : -3
+ - - : -3
- - - : -8

 -snip-

No, my trust list is unedited and it's Default Depth 2
But atleast now i know why it is such , but i still don't get HOW
I mean he have 6 positive and  1 negative , why is he orange and  ???

[niktitan132]

I was confused to see why is the fourth number missing in the Trust of people.
Can't get a hold of this 

And why do i see this Question marks with Red ink on this person's profile ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=148389




He used to appear light green if i remember correct

I assume BayAreaCoins is in your trust list and his rating is new. Hence, you will see that rating. FYI he is still green for me.

The code is : if(score < 0)
         return ?? ? (orange)

Hence it returned ?? ?

??? is a valid score in the new algorithm.

Doesn't that mean if someone receives a positive and a negative rating, they'll go negative if the negative is newer?

If someone has 1 positive and 1 negative, then the time doesn't matter. They'll have a score of -1.

Examples:
Old -> New
+ - : -1
- + : -1
+ + - : ???
+ - + : 0
- + + : 1
+ + + : >=3
- - + : -3
+ - - : -3
- - - : -8

 -snip-

No, my trust list is unedited and it's Default Depth 2
But atleast now i know why it is such , but i still don't get HOW
I mean he have 6 positive and  1 negative , why is he orange and  ???

He has a orange and ??? trust symbol because the negative trust feedback is having more weight on his trust than the positive feedbacks.