Should Bitcointalk sell coin communitites a subsection of the forum

[SaltySpitoon]

Bitcointalk's indifference towards alt coins only changes to disdain when it interferes with Bitcoin discussion, which is why it was given its own section. Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying. 

Which is also why lots of subforums we don't necessarily want, are required. Trying to stop the bath running by closing the bathroom door does not work, its simply going to floor the rest of your house.

Right, I spent months fighting for the Alt subsections that exist today. Creating a vetting system for coins on an individual basis would interfere with the indifference that we have worked so hard to build 

But seriously, people are way better off with their own forums. Then you don't have to deal with someone else's rules. We don't have the resources nor desire to cater to the Alt Coin communities. Bitcointalk offers a basic board for people to make their announcement, find their community members, and then migrate to a place where they can discuss uninterrupted by others.

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[JohnnyBTCSeed]

Please no,

It will only clutter the forum, make the new topic things useless and make the ignore board option useless because every day another subsection will appear out of nowhere

This would do the opposite of clutter. The announce section is already totally worthless and cluttered. And it could be done like this community does, no clutter here.

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[JohnnyBTCSeed]

Bitcointalk's indifference towards alt coins only changes to disdain when it interferes with Bitcoin discussion, which is why it was given its own section. Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying. 

Which is also why lots of subforums we don't necessarily want, are required. Trying to stop the bath running by closing the bathroom door does not work, its simply going to floor the rest of your house.

Right, I spent months fighting for the Alt subsections that exist today. Creating a vetting system for coins on an individual basis would interfere with the indifference that we have worked so hard to build 

But seriously, people are way better off with their own forums. Then you don't have to deal with someone else's rules. We don't have the resources nor desire to cater to the Alt Coin communities. Bitcointalk offers a basic board for people to make their announcement, find their community members, and then migrate to a place where they can discuss uninterrupted by others.

The extra resources would come from communities that would pay to have a sub forum. Also you are right in that it ultimately is better for communities to have their own forum. We all can see what a bad idea centralizing on btt would be. Forum hacked once again right. Down for a few days, cause there is no real backup plan.  Imagine the damage this could do to projects to have to rely on a shoty forum.

[JohnnyBTCSeed]

Ok, obviously we are all 10 here. The logic you and others display is erroneous at best. This IS about BITCOIN nothing else. BWAAAHAHAHA.


Really.?!!!


I did an install of bitcoin over the weekend, it took 1.5 days to complete. Cutting edge technology at its best, right here. I guess I'm getting spoiled using other coins that load in minutes to a few hours.

But lets look at the larger picture that you hateful mods and hateful readers keep missing without ever grasping what is really happening here.

Bitcoin to the user refers to 3 things now. Protocol. Coin. and Blockchain technology. A similar comparison is band-aids. Band-aids are a brand. I don't put a plastic sterile healing strip on, I put a band-aid on. Bitcoin might be a brand but it is becoming synonymous with Blockchain.


The altcoins are not your enemy you silly bitcoiners. All altcoin users ARE bitcoin users. So, when you hate on the altcoins, you make me and others want to use bitcoin less and less. Altcoins have brought in a literal army of developers learning and creating blockchain products. With out altcoins would there be so many devs around here? These devs go from project to project sharpening their skills. And yes they also often jump back to develop for bitcoin again, but now with sharpened skills.

Altcoins help explore the what if scenerios surrounding bitcoin. Because of altcoins we know what will happen to bitcoin when all coins are mined (ixcoin), other hashing algos, anonymousness, smart contracts, etc.

But we only want these people around if they ONLY talk about bitcoin, nothing else. (WE are the bitcoin nazis, do as we say......SARCASM HERE)

The best point that was missed is that, IF communities are given their own section, it WILL help to reel them in. IE: help prevent annoying threads and behavior.

How about we act like adults, and help support each other. Or you can go the other road, dismiss altcoin communities and reinforce that you don't want us in your bitcoin community. Ok Kodack!! Ok Betamax!!! OK netscape!!! OK AOL!!! OK myspace

What if the administrator of this place, (bitcointalk), allowed coin communities to have their own subsection for a price?

Alot of coin communities label bitcointalk as toxic. They then start their own forum. Traffic leaves with them. Why not encourage their traffic to stay.

Rules could be:
If a coin announcement has been here for 1 year and has x number of views then the coin community would have the option to buy a subsection of bitcointalk dedicated to their coin.


I'd imagine the altcoin section would still have a general discussion section like now but in addition, a coin community could buy the rights to have a subsection in the altcoin area where they could post dedicated threads to that coin.

Could generate some extra money for the site. And who doesn't like money?

Thoughts?

It almost certainly wont happen. Bitcointalk is labeled as toxic because it doesn't care about Alt Coins one way or the other and for whatever reason, people don't like that. This is Bitcointalk, the forum's objective it to allow people a place to discuss Bitcoin related topics. People have proposed ways to "vet" coins for special privileges here to separate the longer lasting coins from the new, but as stated, the forum staff/admins don't really care to. We have been trying to encourage people to create their own communities like we have created here for Bitcoin, because we can't appropriately serve multiple niches.

Bitcointalk's indifference towards alt coins only changes to disdain when it interferes with Bitcoin discussion, which is why it was given its own section. Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying. 


 

[BitcoiNaked]

Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying.  

I don't believe this is the only reason, altcoin section is the busiest section of this whole forum, without it this forum would lose huge traffic and other beneficial things and eventually fade away. You guys certainly care about it and most of those who defend bitcoin and talk shit on other cryptos (even if they are good innovative coins) are benefiting from bitcoin and don't want to see any other crypto rise. I dare you guys to delete the alt section, you won't do it and to say people will spam the bitcoin section is simply exaggeration, most of them won't care and will go somewhere else which this forum wouldn't want.

[Slark]

Forum is already monetized enough imo. I am afraid that further attempts of selling additional 'sections' for money would have opposite effect. People would see bitcointalk admins/staff as greedy bastards who only want to make money and don't care about spreading the idea of free money and new technology. And last but not least it is primarily bitcoin forum - not altcoin. Current altcoin section is sufficient.

[SaltySpitoon]

Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying.  

I don't believe this is the only reason, altcoin section is the busiest section of this whole forum, without it this forum would lose huge traffic and other beneficial things and eventually fade away. You guys certainly care about it and most of those who defend bitcoin and talk shit on other cryptos (even if they are good innovative coins) are benefiting from bitcoin and don't want to see any other crypto rise. I dare you guys to delete the alt section, you won't do it and to say people will spam the bitcoin section is simply exaggeration, most of them won't care and will go somewhere else which this forum wouldn't want.

No, thats pretty much the only reason. The forums would much rather have lower traffic and better discussion. Again, its not too hard to understand, this is Bitcointalk, its primary motivation is Bitcoin, not Alt Coins, Politics, Fiat, Computer technology, etc. Those topics are just related, so whether we have a section for them or not, people are going to discuss them. Rather than delete every non Bitcoin post, each somewhat related topic has its own section so there isn't spillover into the Bitcoin related sections.

The extra resources would come from communities that would pay to have a sub forum. Also you are right in that it ultimately is better for communities to have their own forum. We all can see what a bad idea centralizing on btt would be. Forum hacked once again right. Down for a few days, cause there is no real backup plan.  Imagine the damage this could do to projects to have to rely on a shoty forum.

Money isn't very important at this point. Hosting is covered, new forum software is in development, any money that is collected is essentially an emergency fund. Paying out security bounties, making patches/fixes as need arises, etc. The only real solution is to have people make their own forums. Centralization is an issue, which you brought up, but what about when moderators refuse to moderate Alt Coin sections as their individual community needs? We aren't going to make new sets of rules for each section. Don't want people trashing your coin, make your own forums and make it against the rules. There is so much drama in the alt coin scene, we have very little interest in being involved.

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Forum is already monetized enough imo. I am afraid that further attempts of selling additional 'sections' for money would have opposite effect. People would see bitcointalk admins/staff as greedy bastards who only want to make money and don't care about spreading the idea of free money and new technology. And last but not least it is primarily bitcoin forum - not altcoin. Current altcoin section is sufficient.

The only active monetization are advertisements. They are so minimally invasive, and relatively simple, there's no point in not doing them. Donations aren't being solicited, and we aren't charging for anything. The Bitcointalk admins/staff don't make the money that is collected, it is horded for future need. Even if we were greedy bastards, collection of funds doesn't help us any, so when we reach the point where any future emergency costs are stockpiled, what is the point of hoarding BTC?

[saddampbuh]

its fine the way it is

[bitbets]

It is their forum, they can chose to display or hide any forum they want to.