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May 31, 2011, 04:20:38 AM
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y'know something/  this could be a future possibility - and handled correctly, i can't say that i'd mind.  i'd even contribute some CPU cycles.

i mean, who mines with their CPU?  it ain't costing you Bitcoin.

so think about this:  you go to a website, and you are presented with two checkboxes:

1.) click here if you would like to view this website with 16 blinking ads on every page - the advertisers pay us so we can continue to exist.

2.) click here if you would like to view this website without a single ad - but we will use a little bit of your CPU to generate the income we need to exist.

which box would you click?
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May 31, 2011, 04:24:34 AM
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y'know something/  this could be a future possibility - and handled correctly, i can't say that i'd mind.  i'd even contribute some CPU cycles.

i mean, who mines with their CPU?  it ain't costing you Bitcoin.

so think about this:  you go to a website, and you are presented with two checkboxes:

1.) click here if you would like to view this website with 16 blinking ads on every page - the advertisers pay us so we can continue to exist.

2.) click here if you would like to view this website without a single ad - but we will use a little bit of your CPU to generate the income we need to exist.

which box would you click?

The 'X' in the top-right-hand corner.

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May 31, 2011, 04:28:21 AM
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May 31, 2011, 04:31:56 AM
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which box would you click?

#1 for sure.

Choice is good.

I am frequently out and about accessing websites on a netbook and doing my best to conserve power so that the battery lasts me until I get home. It gets very annoying when a web page goes into some javascript loop and the CPU fan starts spinning and I know my battery is being drained at a high rate. In this day and age many websites present dynamic content with ajax, xmlhttp and what not, so noscript is not a viable option (kind of like driving a car without heat or a/c). The right thing for website operators to do is to present the user a choice.
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May 31, 2011, 04:35:59 AM
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I am frequently out and about accessing websites on a netbook and doing my best to conserve power so that the battery lasts me until I get home. It gets very annoying when a web page goes into some javascript loop and the CPU fan starts spinning and I know my battery is being drained at a high rate.

Sounds like you badly need NoScript.  More than most, in fact, with a netbook and limited battery capacity.

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In this day and age many websites present dynamic content with ajax, xmlhttp and what not, so noscript is not a viable option

This is exactly why you need NoScript.  All that "dynamic content" is running scripts and draining your battery.  If you need it, fine, turn it on.  NoScript does not disable all scripts, only the ones you decide you don't want.

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(kind of like driving a car without heat or a/c).

Does your A/C have an on-off switch?

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The right thing for website operators to do is to present the user a choice.

Waiting for untrusted web site operators to do the right thing is going to be disappointing for you.
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May 31, 2011, 05:08:05 AM
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Going to sites with webmining on really kills my battery life, kicks on my fan and makes my laptop run hot.

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May 31, 2011, 06:34:31 AM
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it's not money laundering but those fags running that kind of websites are giving Bitcoin a bad name

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May 31, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
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It isn't stealing. If you go to a site with scripting enabled, then you are inviting that site to run scripts.
That sounds a lot like the kind of BS arguments thieves come up with to rationalise their actions. "If you don't make it impossible to steal something then it's ok to do it".
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May 31, 2011, 12:21:17 PM
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and a JS miner brings nothing hahahah

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May 31, 2011, 12:24:18 PM
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I have removed the script from BitBid. I was trying out Bitp.it's javascript miner for the last week and I should have posted a disclaimer. I apologize.

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May 31, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
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I have removed the script from BitBid. I was trying out Bitp.it's javascript miner for the last week and I should have posted a disclaimer. I apologize.
Thanks for coming clean and doing the decent thing.

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May 31, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
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I honestly didn't think it would anger people this much. I got an email earlier from who I assume is the OP complaining about the CPU usage. It was the first message I have gotten bringing it up but I don't want to risk pissing any more people off so it is gone. Without your reputation you are nothing.

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May 31, 2011, 02:20:45 PM
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I honestly didn't think it would anger people this much. I got an email earlier from who I assume is the OP complaining about the CPU usage. It was the first message I have gotten bringing it up but I don't want to risk pissing any more people off so it is gone. Without your reputation you are nothing.

That email wasn't from me, but thank you for removing the miner from your website, hopefully more people do the same  Smiley

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May 31, 2011, 04:16:23 PM
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I honestly didn't think it would anger people this much. I got an email earlier from who I assume is the OP complaining about the CPU usage. It was the first message I have gotten bringing it up but I don't want to risk pissing any more people off so it is gone. Without your reputation you are nothing.

I hate client-side scripting in general: both Flash and EMCAscript. It takes control of the computer away from the user. There may be some benefit in doing client-side sanity checks or tabulation, but the server must ulimately do those checks anyway since the client is untrusted.

For distributed computing, scripting with an interpreted language is just about the most inefficient way to go about it. Browsers are not Operating systems. There is no way to make a script run at low priority when the CPU is idle. Even if you could do that, you don't know if your use of the client computer is CPU bound. If they are low on memory, your computing client may cause the browser to constantly page out to disk or even crash if swap files are disabled.

I actually don't mind the JavaApplet concept: they actually ask the use permission to do stuff like use the network or disk. The "powers that be" have decided it is a bad idea to confuse users with choice about how they use their computer.

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