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May 31, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
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Hey guys, I wasn't sure if this really merits it's own thread, but since this might affect a few people I guess I'll just put it here. After further consideration over the past few days, including laying in bed at 4am thinking about this shit, I've decided to leverage my Tomatocage1 account as Trust system platform for members who might not quite be an ideal fit for Tier 1. As a result, some people who were in Tier 1 have been deprecated to Tier 2. Some people from Tier 1 have been trimmed all together, though this is simply because they're already in the DefaultTrust group already, so it's not really necessary to list them twice. Gotta keep my garden minty, so to speak. Anyway, here's a breakdown of the reshuffle:

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==== Tier 1 ====
BCB
Blazedout419
Blazr
DefaultTrust
EPiSKiNG (re-added, must have accidentally removed him previously)
Gleb Gamow
Graet
grue
jwzguy
Kluge
KWH
LoweryCBS
Michail1
Mousepotato
piotr_n
Powell
smoothie
Stunna
theymos
tysat
wallet.dat
Tomatocage1 (only here for cascading to Tier 2)

==== Tier 2 ====
Vod (deprecated, probationary)
Quickseller (deprecated, probationary)
dogie (deprecated, probationary)
DiamondCardz (new add, probationary)
haploid23 (inactive)
John (John K.) (inactive)
the joint (deprecated, lacks sufficient Trust system history)
Gavin Andresen (deprecated, lacks sufficient Trust system history)

==== Trimmed ====
BadBear (already in DefaultTrust)
Maged (already in DefaultTrust)
OgNasty (already in DefaultTrust)

==== Explicitly Excluded ====
~gate11
~El Cabron
~shdvb

I really hope that I'm understanding how the Trust system currently works and this isn't going to end up making me look dumb (well, at least not any more so than usual).

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May 31, 2015, 06:25:23 PM
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Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

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May 31, 2015, 06:29:45 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

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May 31, 2015, 06:32:08 PM
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Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

If I understand the purpose of this thread, he basically have updated his trust list (removed & addedd some users). This is his actual (correct me if I am wrong):

Tomatocage
    theymos
    grue
    EPiSKiNG
    Kluge
    piotr_n
    Mousepotato
    jwzguy
    tysat
    Graet
    smoothie
    Michail1
    wallet.dat
    Blazr
    BCB
    LoweryCBS
    KWH
    Stunna
    DefaultTrust
    Blazedout419
    Powell
    Gleb Gamow
    Tomatocage1


but yes , you're correct with your thought (he is also in the default trust depth 2, but this is obvious).
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May 31, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.

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May 31, 2015, 06:34:08 PM
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Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

If I understand the purpose of this thread, he basically have updated his trust list (removed & addedd some users). This is his actual (correct me if I am wrong):

Yes that's correct. What I was saying though is there is in effect no cascade. Being trusted by a tier 2 is the same as not being trusted, it makes no difference within default DefaultTrust. The error has come because TC thought he was Depth 0 but is in fact Depth 1. All users will show themselves as Depth 0 in their own lists as its assumed a user trusts themselves, but globally will be Depth 1 or lower. Only "DefaultTrust" is Depth 0.

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May 31, 2015, 06:38:42 PM
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Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed

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May 31, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
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If you trust anyone from tomatocage1 means he/she will be on depth 3. because you are on depth 1, tomatocage1 in depth2 and trusting by tomatocage1 means he/she will be depth 3.


That means trusting by tomatocage1 won't be on default trust.


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May 31, 2015, 06:42:32 PM
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If you trust anyone from tomatocage1 means he/she will be on depth 3. because you are on depth 1, tomatocage1 in depth2 and trusting by tomatocage1 means he/she will be depth 3.


That means trusting by tomatocage1 won't be on default trust.

Exactly, yeah. As a Depth1 user you don't have any ability to cascade or have tiered trust levels.

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May 31, 2015, 06:43:33 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

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May 31, 2015, 06:43:58 PM
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Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

If I understand the purpose of this thread, he basically have updated his trust list (removed & addedd some users). This is his actual (correct me if I am wrong):

Yes that's correct. What I was saying though is there is in effect no cascade. Being trusted by a tier 2 is the same as not being trusted, it makes no difference within default DefaultTrust. The error has come because TC thought he was Depth 0 but is in fact Depth 1. All users will show themselves as Depth 0 in their own lists as its assumed a user trusts themselves, but globally will be Depth 1 or lower. Only "DefaultTrust" is Depth 0.

Correct, DefaultTrust user is the base of the entrire trust system and simple (as you know) all the users that were added by theymos under the DefaultTrust's list is in the depth 1. Now if Tomatocage will add users with his alt (tomatocage1) those users will be added and see as trusted only if we put the level 3 of depth and trust the user DefaultTrust.
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May 31, 2015, 06:44:17 PM
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as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1.

No, it makes no difference. The depth levels only matter because some people may trust other's (including DT's) ratings up to more or less depth. Once you trust someone's ratings, it doesn't matter how deep they are down from DT or from anyone else. You just trust their ratings, period.

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May 31, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
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I think the whole trust system needs scrapping, the marketplace needs scrapping & people need to stop scamming, framing & being general **** to each other.
I've seen some real ****** stuff happening over the past week & it must make genuine people think what's the point trading/doing business with people here.

I don't trade here, I just buy coins on an exchange and hodl but I'd be really pissed off if, as I've seen this week, people start leaving negative trust for no reason.
The whole system needs scrapping or totally changing.

Maybe it needs to be like on ebay where you can only leave trust/feedback on somebodies profile if you actually enter a transaction with them, I don't agree with people able to leave trust on somebodies profile you haven't done any budiness with.  

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May 31, 2015, 06:56:43 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

There is so much difference in Vod neg trust and what you give to other.

Vod normally give negative trust to newbie's who ask loan without collateral but in your case it's different that is why Badbear removed you from his trust.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.



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May 31, 2015, 07:05:50 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

There is so much difference in Vod neg trust and what you give to other.

Vod normally give negative trust to newbie's who ask loan without collateral but in your case it's different that is why Badbear removed you from his trust.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.



Now QS will start to beg someone from the depth1 and ask to be re-added, so pathetic from you QS.
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May 31, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

There is so much difference in Vod neg trust and what you give to other.

Vod normally give negative trust to newbie's who ask loan without collateral but in your case it's different that is why Badbear removed you from his trust.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.



You sound like a shill for tspacepilot. Tspacepilot deserves the trust he got, and Im not even sure ndnhc is not guilty, so rezerving my judgement.

Lol newbie saying this or I say shill of some account who don't want to disclose his main account.

Mostly people know me here. And all know I am trader here and mostly focus on trading.

Btw I just gave example of tspacepilot.


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May 31, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

There is so much difference in Vod neg trust and what you give to other.

Vod normally give negative trust to newbie's who ask loan without collateral but in your case it's different that is why Badbear removed you from his trust.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.



Now QS will start to beg someone from the depth1 and ask to be re-added, so pathetic from you QS.

QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.


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May 31, 2015, 07:18:04 PM
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Does this mean that you took KoS up on his offer?

I wasn't even aware of that offer, but no it wasn't because of that. And technically I haven't removed you.
That was kind of a joke, lol.

However the concern that I have about this is that my ratings will now only show up for people that explicitly have you in their trust list (or who explicitly have BadBear, theymos, and a few others in their trust list - this is due to I am on others' trust lists who are also are their trust lists). People who have the default settings will not see my ratings by default.

In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left - they had purchased an account that had defaulted on a loan that I had left negative trust for. The loan was only for .05 BTC and in their own words still got a good deal on the account after repaying the loan to the lender so they were not upset about the situation, however the point does still remain.

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all Embarrassed
A negative (or a positive) rating from Tomatocage will have the exact same impact by default as the same rating from KWH (assuming the exact same information is provided).

A rating from haploid23 will not show up period (if you were to ignore the fact that he is also on BadBear's trust list)

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

There is so much difference in Vod neg trust and what you give to other.

Vod normally give negative trust to newbie's who ask loan without collateral but in your case it's different that is why Badbear removed you from his trust.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.



Now QS will start to beg someone from the depth1 and ask to be re-added, so pathetic from you QS.

QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.

Yeah now he can continue his work of scam buster. nobody will stop him . good luck QS.


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...Lol newbie saying this or I say shill of some account who don't want to disclose his main account.

Mostly people know me here. And all know I am trader here and mostly focus on trading.

Btw I just gave example of tspacepilot.

Typical. Another thread slanderin Quickseller. And when uninvolved buystanders like myself come to his defence, were accused of god knows what without any proof. I see whats happening here, youre not fooling any one.

Lol I am not fooling anyone that is why I am posting with my main account. You are fooling other by making new account and posting.

Most probably you are alt of QuickSeller that is why you are doing this. So later you will sell this account. So it will serve both defending QS and making post so it will move to upward level.


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May 31, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
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...Lol newbie saying this or I say shill of some account who don't want to disclose his main account.

Mostly people know me here. And all know I am trader here and mostly focus on trading.

Btw I just gave example of tspacepilot.

Typical. Another thread slanderin Quickseller. And when uninvolved buystanders like myself come to his defence, were accused of god knows what without any proof. I see whats happening here, youre not fooling any one.

Really interesting, why a newbie registered 19 May should defend Quckseller? This doesn't make any sense... but good to know.
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