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June 27, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
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Along with the comments and suggestions here, there has been a lot of discussion going on with many members of the community as well as the devs on IRC.  We are moving forward with reducing the fee to 0.01.  If anyone here really feels strongly against that, please join us on IRC and we can discuss in real-time.  Thank you.

Right so It wasn't you lot on IRC asking us our opinions then, it was you lot on IRC telling us !

Exactly the reason I no longer use IRC because its the MinerFTW and Heathcoin show.

I'm not saying the pair of you have not done good things for this coin because you have.. BUT you cant have a coin like this that is meant to be community driven when its "your way or the highway" !

@crunck, there was an ongoing discussion on IRC before it was mentioned here.  As you know, there are a lot more active people on IRC who discuss things in real-time.  Reducing the transaction fee is one more way we can increase the value of our coin.

Are you suggesting we postpone the release of the new wallet and reward structure to hold a community vote that would take at least a week to get everyone's input on changing the transaction fee when it's silly to begin with?  I asked that if anyone felt strongly against 0.01 to join in on the discussion on IRC in real-time.  Not a single person from here did so... not even you.
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June 27, 2015, 10:25:51 PM
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Along with the comments and suggestions here, there has been a lot of discussion going on with many members of the community as well as the devs on IRC.  We are moving forward with reducing the fee to 0.01.  If anyone here really feels strongly against that, please join us on IRC and we can discuss in real-time.  Thank you.

Right so It wasn't you lot on IRC asking us our opinions then, it was you lot on IRC telling us !

Exactly the reason I no longer use IRC because its the MinerFTW and Heathcoin show.

I'm not saying the pair of you have not done good things for this coin because you have.. BUT you cant have a coin like this that is meant to be community driven when its "your way or the highway" !

@crunck, there was an ongoing discussion on IRC before it was mentioned here.  As you know, there are a lot more active people on IRC who discuss things in real-time.  Reducing the transaction fee is one more way we can increase the value of our coin.

Are you suggesting we postpone the release of the new wallet and reward structure to hold a community vote that would take at least a week to get everyone's input on changing the transaction fee when it's silly to begin with?  I asked that if anyone felt strongly against 0.01 to join in on the discussion on IRC in real-time.  Not a single person from here did so... not even you.

Right so MinerFTW rocks up in here and posts:

Guys.

Now coin is growing and growing etc and more are staking etc.
its smart to lower coin fee.

it goes back in stakes all the time but because of amounts we stake its a pain while combining blocks etc. What do you all say we lower stock fee for the monday fork. now 0.99 is only 3 sat but when you need to combine blocks daily and coin is over 10 sat (soon we all hope) it can and is too high set imho. Please input before i change it in the code.

Kind regards,


Then Ctgiant says :

I agree with this idea, but we will not implement until we get some feedback from the community, so please let us know sooner rather than later as we would like to get the wallet download links available to you guys as soon as possible.

A couple of people respond with their views as you requested, and then you respond with :

Along with the comments and suggestions here, there has been a lot of discussion going on with many members of the community as well as the devs on IRC.  We are moving forward with reducing the fee to 0.01.  If anyone here really feels strongly against that, please join us on IRC and we can discuss in real-time.  Thank you.

So in fact it seems you had no intention of listening to anyone other than what was forced upon people in the IRC

You lot may as well name this coin IRCCoin

Not everyone likes or wants to use IRC

I dont really give a shit if its 0.1 or 0.01 I can see the merits of both, but I fail to see what the point is of coming on here and asking for input, when you have all ready made up your mind else where!

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June 27, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
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Honestly for me it is no problem. 1, 0.1 0,01 or even 0.001. But I see more people have opinions about it, so let's make a vote/community poll.

From what I understand it is a fast fix,

@heavensopen or @crunck can you guys do it?

@heathcoin, please respect the crunck's choice not to visit the IRC. As you know he has a valid reason for it, since the last time he went there.
The IRC is important for LiteDoge, so I added it to the sites etc. But as we all agreed upon, the complete community should have a voice. Not like the block time change, which was not communicated at all. If the IRC debates bring interesting features/changes, please post them in this thread too.

Thnx



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June 27, 2015, 10:38:20 PM
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Honestly for me it is no problem. 1, 0.1 0,01 or even 0.001. But I see more people have opinions about it, so let's make a vote/community poll.

From what I understand it is a fast fix,

@heavensopen or @crunck can you guys do it?

@heathcoin, please respect the crunck's choice not to visit the IRC. As you know he has a valid reason for it, since the last time he went there.
The IRC is important for LiteDoge, so I added it to the sites etc. But as we all agreed upon, the complete community should have a voice. Not like the block time change, which was not communicated at all. If the IRC debates bring interesting features/changes, please post them in this thread too.

Thnx





To late for that now, with the new wallet only two days away, a vote is out of the question, got to wonder though was it shroud planing on their part to not give us the time needed to vote, or piss poor planing and an after thought to change the fee ?

Either way it seems the 0.01 will be forced on us just the same as the silly non functioning IRC window in the new wallet.

I though they had a clear plan, and the wallet was going to be release everywhere and publicised well in advance but alas it seems its all going to be rushed through at the last min, which is ok as long as it all works I suppose.

But some one needs to take this coin and provide a proper road map, which set dates for things, and not just come up with wild ideas at the last min.

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June 28, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
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Crunk, rest assured a certain Knight is watching this thread  Smiley

lol Smiley

Me and you sure keep bumping into each other ever where at the moment Smiley

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June 28, 2015, 12:20:59 AM
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I say .099!  Much Playful! Such Fun!

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I say .099!  Much Playful! Such Fun!

Me likes this number too

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June 28, 2015, 03:38:32 AM
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Honestly for me it is no problem. 1, 0.1 0,01 or even 0.001. But I see more people have opinions about it, so let's make a vote/community poll.

From what I understand it is a fast fix,

@heavensopen or @crunck can you guys do it?

@heathcoin, please respect the crunck's choice not to visit the IRC. As you know he has a valid reason for it, since the last time he went there.
The IRC is important for LiteDoge, so I added it to the sites etc. But as we all agreed upon, the complete community should have a voice. Not like the block time change, which was not communicated at all. If the IRC debates bring interesting features/changes, please post them in this thread too.

Thnx


To late for that now, with the new wallet only two days away, a vote is out of the question, got to wonder though was it shroud planing on their part to not give us the time needed to vote, or piss poor planing and an after thought to change the fee ?

Either way it seems the 0.01 will be forced on us just the same as the silly non functioning IRC window in the new wallet.

I though they had a clear plan, and the wallet was going to be release everywhere and publicised well in advance but alas it seems its all going to be rushed through at the last min, which is ok as long as it all works I suppose.

But some one needs to take this coin and provide a proper road map, which set dates for things, and not just come up with wild ideas at the last min.

There's no reason for a poll 34 hours before the fork, esp. since we all agree to reduce fees. I suggest we go for 0.01 and get done with it. Clock is ticking.

You all have to understand this is a wallet.... and it will be used by people to hold their coins, stake them and make transactions. Price of the coin, ease of usage and profit are much more important than implementing an IRC client or whatever bells and whistles every one of us would like to have in there. I have seen wallets that have other features too, block explorers, price tickers, graphs with price history, market cap, links to merchants.....  whatever each dev was thinking to be important, but it all this ends up not being used by the public, because each and every one of us have different perspectives - or simply because the user doesn't know how to use them.

Just think how many people have no idea how to sign a message or import a private key to their wallet - and these are functions implemented to all QT clients, it's not something unique.

@heathcoin & MinerFTW: you guys need to realize not everyone likes IRC, whether you find it awesome or whatever. We don't live in our computers and, even those of us who are close to achieving this, we can't live in an IRC channel just in case we miss something that was discussed at some point we weren't looking. This and the fact that IRC is addictive and too time consuming are its main disadvantages - but this is not the right place for a discussion like this. Just respect that not all people are willing to visit and participate.

And, btw, I visited several times and nobody brought this up, I saw it last night in MinerFTW's post. How do you expect the community to decide in a few hours?

For me, a forum is much more convenient, you can read posts anytime you want/have time to look at them, whether it is this thread, the site's forum or whatever. You can even go back and look older posts too, something you can't do on IRC unless you run a bot that keeps logs in a specific channel.

What is critically important now is to get done with the wallet and let it go public. If you think it is too early, think again, in 34 hours people will want to make transactions (let alone staking, I am not touching that) and they won't have a way to do it. Current client and exchanges will be cut off instantly, it's like "now you see me, now you don't". So we must be clear about it and have all the information public for everyone to read, when Mr X is going to fork with his old (current) client he won't go to IRC to ask what happened, he won't even know it. Stop acting like everybody knows what is coming, most people don't. And then, there are the exchanges too, when are they going to be informed?
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June 28, 2015, 04:46:17 AM
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There's no reason for a poll 34 hours before the fork, esp. since we all agree to reduce fees. I suggest we go for 0.01 and get done with it. Clock is ticking.

You all have to understand this is a wallet.... and it will be used by people to hold their coins, stake them and make transactions. Price of the coin, ease of usage and profit are much more important than implementing an IRC client or whatever bells and whistles every one of us would like to have in there. I have seen wallets that have other features too, block explorers, price tickers, graphs with price history, market cap, links to merchants.....  whatever each dev was thinking to be important, but it all this ends up not being used by the public, because each and every one of us have different perspectives - or simply because the user doesn't know how to use them.

Just think how many people have no idea how to sign a message or import a private key to their wallet - and these are functions implemented to all QT clients, it's not something unique.

@heathcoin & MinerFTW: you guys need to realize not everyone likes IRC, whether you find it awesome or whatever. We don't live in our computers and, even those of us who are close to achieving this, we can't live in an IRC channel just in case we miss something that was discussed at some point we weren't looking. This and the fact that IRC is addictive and too time consuming are its main disadvantages - but this is not the right place for a discussion like this. Just respect that not all people are willing to visit and participate.

And, btw, I visited several times and nobody brought this up, I saw it last night in MinerFTW's post. How do you expect the community to decide in a few hours?

For me, a forum is much more convenient, you can read posts anytime you want/have time to look at them, whether it is this thread, the site's forum or whatever. You can even go back and look older posts too, something you can't do on IRC unless you run a bot that keeps logs in a specific channel.

What is critically important now is to get done with the wallet and let it go public. If you think it is too early, think again, in 34 hours people will want to make transactions (let alone staking, I am not touching that) and they won't have a way to do it. Current client and exchanges will be cut off instantly, it's like "now you see me, now you don't". So we must be clear about it and have all the information public for everyone to read, when Mr X is going to fork with his old (current) client he won't go to IRC to ask what happened, he won't even know it. Stop acting like everybody knows what is coming, most people don't. And then, there are the exchanges too, when are they going to be informed?

Well said and thanks for the input from not just you but everyone!  

I read this thread, the litedoge.org forum and IRC everyday and have appreciated all of the effort put in by the community in many various capacities.  All of the suggestions made here and on the other platforms have been heard, and once this wallet is released, we will have the community vote on various enhancements to be implemented for future wallet releases(if they are doable by the current dev team, and if not and there is a dev that would like to lend a hand, that would be great too).

I would like to address the final paragraph here as it is on me to get the wallets released.  I have been working around the clock to get these wallets out and have been trying to implement everything that the community wants into the wallets, but it has not been easy.  I have run into many errors on the windows wallet side while trying to implement IRC and even though I finally got it compiled today, it is not working correctly, as it fails with a runtime error when trying to run specific tasks (such as quitting the wallet).  

Because of this I have been troubleshooting the wallet all day and have two ways in which I will move forward:
 1. keep troubleshooting the wallet with IRC built in (kiwii IRC inside the wallet, not the messed up IRC from other wallets) and get it working (may not happen before the fork, and many do not care about this feature anyways)
 2. Build the wallet without IRC built in (but it will have a link that opens a browser window for kiwiiIRC) test and release as soon as possible, barring any errors (it is currently being built right now)

As a result we may have 2 wallet versions for this release on Windows and I will make sure to let everyone know which one is which based on the download name.  I will let heavensopen, maincoin, crunck, and heathkid know so that they can update this BCT thread, litedoge.info, litedoge.org/litedoge.org forum and IRC.

Once again, I am sorry that it has taken so long to get these wallets out, but I am new to this and some issues arose along the way.

-ctgiant

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Well said and thanks for the input from not just you but everyone! 

I read this thread, the litedoge.org forum and IRC everyday and have appreciated all of the effort put in by the community in many various capacities.  All of the suggestions made here and on the other platforms have been heard, and once this wallet is released, we will have the community vote on various enhancements to be implemented for future wallet releases(if they are doable by the current dev team, and if not and there is a dev that would like to lend a hand, that would be great too).

I would like to address the final paragraph here as it is on me to get the wallets released.  I have been working around the clock to get these wallets out and have been trying to implement everything that the community wants into the wallets, but it has not been easy.  I have run into many errors on the windows wallet side while trying to implement IRC and even though I finally got it compiled today, it is not working correctly, as it fails with a runtime error when trying to run specific tasks (such as quitting the wallet). 

Because of this I have been troubleshooting the wallet all day and have two ways in which I will move forward:
 1. keep troubleshooting the wallet with IRC built in (kiwii IRC inside the wallet, not the messed up IRC from other wallets) and get it working (may not happen before the fork, and many do not care about this feature anyways)
 2. Build the wallet without IRC built in (but it will have a link that opens a browser window for kiwiiIRC) test and release as soon as possible, barring any errors (it is currently being built right now)

As a result we may have 2 wallet versions for this release on Windows and I will make sure to let everyone know which one is which based on the download name.  I will let heavensopen, maincoin, crunck, and heathkid know so that they can update this BCT thread, litedoge.info, litedoge.org/litedoge.org forum and IRC.

Once again, I am sorry that it has taken so long to get these wallets out, but I am new to this and some issues arose along the way.

-ctgiant

Thanks...

I am not against IRC but it is not what I am looking for in a wallet. I actually want a wallet running smoothly, flawlessly, staking my coins and giving me no trouble. Everything else is welcomed but not mandatory. And I believe most people would agree with this approach.

I will say this again, clock is ticking. My opinion is to avoid anything that could bring trouble or not function properly. The community had enough problems with forks and all that has happened already, we need no more of this. So, I suggest to build the wallet without the IRC client to get it up on time, inform everyone to download and install it, inform exchanges to make whatever changes are needed and, once we are done with the fork and all is running fine, try to implement any other changes, including the IRC client.

To be honest, it gets me nervous to know a hard fork is coming and I have nothing in my hands that will be working the very next minute. If this goes on, I will have no other option than to transfer all my coins to an exchange and wait till we have a working wallet.
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Thanks...

I am not against IRC but it is not what I am looking for in a wallet. I actually want a wallet running smoothly, flawlessly, staking my coins and giving me no trouble. Everything else is welcomed but not mandatory. And I believe most people would agree with this approach.

I will say this again, clock is ticking. My opinion is to avoid anything that could bring trouble or not function properly. The community had enough problems with forks and all that has happened already, we need no more of this. So, I suggest to build the wallet without the IRC client to get it up on time, inform everyone to download and install it, inform exchanges to make whatever changes are needed and, once we are done with the fork and all is running fine, try to implement any other changes, including the IRC client.

To be honest, it gets me nervous to know a hard fork is coming and I have nothing in my hands that will be working the very next minute. If this goes on, I will have no other option than to transfer all my coins to an exchange and wait till we have a working wallet.

I understand all of that, and rest assured the wallet will be ready soon.  I, more than anyone, just want to be done with this and release it so that we as a community can move on from here.  This has taken up a huge amount of my time and is more than I originally signed on for, so I want everything to go smoothly and everyone to benefit. 

I am compiling and running one more test which shouldn't take more than 40 minutes, and then I will PM you the links to the updated wallet.

Everyone should be reminded that the wallet will not work until the moment after the hard fork occurs at 2015-06-29 - 13:00:00 UTC, so do not update before then.  Also, please make sure to back up your wallet.dat file before running it as a precaution.

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Everyone should be reminded that the wallet will not work until the moment after the hard fork occurs at 2015-06-29 - 13:00:00 UTC, so do not update before then.  Also, please make sure to back up your wallet.dat file before running it as a precaution.


Also, there is an issue with the time format chosen for the fork: UTC is often mistakenly interpreted as GMT, while these are two different things. UTC is a time standard, GMT is a time zone.

See more info here: http://www.timeanddate.com/time/gmt-utc-time.html

Just to be on the safe side, make sure you check the countdown timer at http://www.litedoge.info/ and you will know precisely when the hard fork will occur.
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Add this to the OP:




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[url=http://www.pending.me.uk][img]http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/bla_1435582800.png[/img][/url]

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Add this to the OP:



Added.

I'll try to include it to all my posts also
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June 28, 2015, 06:07:01 AM
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New wallet links have been sent out to the appropriate people for all necessary locations.

I will post them below as well:

Windows: https://bitbucket.org/ctgiant/litedoge/downloads/litedoge-qt-win-v3.1.1.1-no-irc.zip

Mac: https://bitbucket.org/ctgiant/litedoge/downloads/Litedoge-Qt-Mac-v3.1.1.1.dmg

Once again, do not use until after this timer ends


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New wallet links have been sent out to the appropriate people for all necessary locations.

I will post them below as well:

Windows: https://bitbucket.org/ctgiant/litedoge/downloads/litedoge-qt-win-v3.1.1.1-no-irc.zip

Mac: https://bitbucket.org/ctgiant/litedoge/downloads/Litedoge-Qt-Mac-v3.1.1.1.dmg

Once again, do not use until after this timer ends

OP updated

Everyone, please ask if you need help



Do not use the new wallets before the hard fork occurs!
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Great cttgiant.

I updated the website.
http://www.litedoge.info/download-wallet.php
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There's no reason for a poll 34 hours before the fork, esp. since we all agree to reduce fees. I suggest we go for 0.01 and get done with it. Clock is ticking.

You all have to understand this is a wallet.... and it will be used by people to hold their coins, stake them and make transactions. Price of the coin, ease of usage and profit are much more important than implementing an IRC client or whatever bells and whistles every one of us would like to have in there. I have seen wallets that have other features too, block explorers, price tickers, graphs with price history, market cap, links to merchants.....  whatever each dev was thinking to be important, but it all this ends up not being used by the public, because each and every one of us have different perspectives - or simply because the user doesn't know how to use them.

Just think how many people have no idea how to sign a message or import a private key to their wallet - and these are functions implemented to all QT clients, it's not something unique.

@heathcoin & MinerFTW: you guys need to realize not everyone likes IRC, whether you find it awesome or whatever. We don't live in our computers and, even those of us who are close to achieving this, we can't live in an IRC channel just in case we miss something that was discussed at some point we weren't looking. This and the fact that IRC is addictive and too time consuming are its main disadvantages - but this is not the right place for a discussion like this. Just respect that not all people are willing to visit and participate.

And, btw, I visited several times and nobody brought this up, I saw it last night in MinerFTW's post. How do you expect the community to decide in a few hours?

For me, a forum is much more convenient, you can read posts anytime you want/have time to look at them, whether it is this thread, the site's forum or whatever. You can even go back and look older posts too, something you can't do on IRC unless you run a bot that keeps logs in a specific channel.

What is critically important now is to get done with the wallet and let it go public. If you think it is too early, think again, in 34 hours people will want to make transactions (let alone staking, I am not touching that) and they won't have a way to do it. Current client and exchanges will be cut off instantly, it's like "now you see me, now you don't". So we must be clear about it and have all the information public for everyone to read, when Mr X is going to fork with his old (current) client he won't go to IRC to ask what happened, he won't even know it. Stop acting like everybody knows what is coming, most people don't. And then, there are the exchanges too, when are they going to be informed?

Well said and thanks for the input from not just you but everyone! 

I read this thread, the litedoge.org forum and IRC everyday and have appreciated all of the effort put in by the community in many various capacities.  All of the suggestions made here and on the other platforms have been heard, and once this wallet is released, we will have the community vote on various enhancements to be implemented for future wallet releases(if they are doable by the current dev team, and if not and there is a dev that would like to lend a hand, that would be great too).

I would like to address the final paragraph here as it is on me to get the wallets released.  I have been working around the clock to get these wallets out and have been trying to implement everything that the community wants into the wallets, but it has not been easy.  I have run into many errors on the windows wallet side while trying to implement IRC and even though I finally got it compiled today, it is not working correctly, as it fails with a runtime error when trying to run specific tasks (such as quitting the wallet). 

Because of this I have been troubleshooting the wallet all day and have two ways in which I will move forward:
 1. keep troubleshooting the wallet with IRC built in (kiwii IRC inside the wallet, not the messed up IRC from other wallets) and get it working (may not happen before the fork, and many do not care about this feature anyways)
 2. Build the wallet without IRC built in (but it will have a link that opens a browser window for kiwiiIRC) test and release as soon as possible, barring any errors (it is currently being built right now)

As a result we may have 2 wallet versions for this release on Windows and I will make sure to let everyone know which one is which based on the download name.  I will let heavensopen, maincoin, crunck, and heathkid know so that they can update this BCT thread, litedoge.info, litedoge.org/litedoge.org forum and IRC.

Once again, I am sorry that it has taken so long to get these wallets out, but I am new to this and some issues arose along the way.

-ctgiant

I know you and the guys work very hard. If the IRC implementation is delayed, that is fine by me and Ihope many others. I pledged M LDOGE for this wallet, so please give me your wallet address so I cn pay it.

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"You guys need to realize not everyone likes IRC, whether you find it awesome or whatever. We don't live in our computers and, even those of us who are close to achieving this, we can't live in an IRC channel just in case we miss something that was discussed at some point we weren't looking. This and the fact that IRC is addictive and too time consuming are its main disadvantages - but this is not the right place for a discussion like this. Just respect that not all people are willing to visit and participate."

I agree the IRC is important, but it is not good to only discuss new items their. BCT should be the leading communication channel. If some great ideas comes from the IRC or for that matter the LiteDoge forum, please post them here too.
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June 28, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
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I am very happy about this comment.
"You guys need to realize not everyone likes IRC, whether you find it awesome or whatever. We don't live in our computers and, even those of us who are close to achieving this, we can't live in an IRC channel just in case we miss something that was discussed at some point we weren't looking. This and the fact that IRC is addictive and too time consuming are its main disadvantages - but this is not the right place for a discussion like this. Just respect that not all people are willing to visit and participate."

I agree the IRC is important, but it is not good to only discuss new items their. BCT should be the leading communication channel. If some great ideas comes from the IRC or for that matter the LiteDoge forum, please post them here too.

I also support this.

Keep the community involved in decisions - let them vote on key issues and keep them informed about any final decisions taken in the IRC chat.  
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June 28, 2015, 02:56:06 PM
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Lets get that 3 sat buy wall growing on trex Smiley

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