Node observer: Bitcoin Core Vs Bitcoin TX | 5700 vs 900

[pedrog]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

They let their miners choose.

Nice, hope more mining pools adopt the same principle.

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[meono]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

They let their miners choose.

Nice, hope more mining pools adopt the same principle.

Thats the way it should be.

But except Luke-JR's pool 

[chek2fire]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

after three years in slush pool i have drop my mining machines from there. I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense

[alani123]

Time to fire up some more Core nodes at work. {After all, I own the company...} I have some idle equipment laying around doing nothing, so I might aswell use it for something good. 

This is getting absurd, and we need to support the network that puts the food on the table. I will use any and all resources to support Core, because I think they have the purest incentive to make a success

out of this whole experiment. We cannot allow a small minority of people with hidden agendas to sabotage everything we have worked for years. Join me and fire up all that old equipment laying around

gathering dust.       

Purest incentive? you tell me

Developer	Employer	In favor of
Gavin Andresen	MIT	8mb+
Mike Hearn	Google, now Vinumeris	8mb+
Meni Rosenfeld	Israeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoil	tentative 8mb+
Jeff Garzik	Bitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc.	2mb+
Peter Todd	Viacoin et al.	1mb
Luke-JR	Subcontracted by Blockstream	1mb
Adam Back	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Matt Corallo	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Gmaxwell	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Peter Wuille	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
laanwj	MIT	1mb

And i agree, we cant let a small minority of ppl to decide the future of bitcoin. Only bitcoin , the network itself, can decide its future.

Nice table but 8Mb support isn't the same as XT (BIT101). More miners support 8Mb blocks than BIP101.

See here:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools

[meono]

Time to fire up some more Core nodes at work. {After all, I own the company...} I have some idle equipment laying around doing nothing, so I might aswell use it for something good.  

This is getting absurd, and we need to support the network that puts the food on the table. I will use any and all resources to support Core, because I think they have the purest incentive to make a success

out of this whole experiment. We cannot allow a small minority of people with hidden agendas to sabotage everything we have worked for years. Join me and fire up all that old equipment laying around

gathering dust.      

Purest incentive? you tell me

Developer	Employer	In favor of
Gavin Andresen	MIT	8mb+
Mike Hearn	Google, now Vinumeris	8mb+
Meni Rosenfeld	Israeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoil	tentative 8mb+
Jeff Garzik	Bitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc.	2mb+
Peter Todd	Viacoin et al.	1mb
Luke-JR	Subcontracted by Blockstream	1mb
Adam Back	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Matt Corallo	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Gmaxwell	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Peter Wuille	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
laanwj	MIT	1mb

And i agree, we cant let a small minority of ppl to decide the future of bitcoin. Only bitcoin , the network itself, can decide its future.

Nice table but 8Mb support isn't the same as XT (BIT101). More miners support 8Mb blocks than BIP101.

See here:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools

But only BIP101 actually proposes the increase to 8mb blocks.

You can go back and forth all day with this, and if you think there will be a BIP that propose 8mb blocks, you're gonna wait until eternity.

In summary, support 8mb blocks now means BIP101. And BitcoinXT is just a subset of BIP101 wallets.

[pedrog]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

after three years in slush pool i have drop my mining machines from there. I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense

Because choices are bad!

[chek2fire]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

after three years in slush pool i have drop my mining machines from there. I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense

Because choices are bad!

no because we are in a middle of a political reform of bitcoin. I am not accept to take part in this and to break the freedom of cryptocurrencies in favor of the banks.

[pedrog]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

after three years in slush pool i have drop my mining machines from there. I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense

Because choices are bad!

no because we are in a middle of a political reform of bitcoin. I am not accept to take part in this and to break the freedom of cryptocurrencies in favor of the banks.

But you're taking a part, you chose Blockstream Core instead of Gavincoin and you think if a pool gives that choice to its users that's a bad thing, because people should not be able to have choices...

[chek2fire]

Slush pool mined a third BIP101 block making the total amount of mined blocks in support of BIP101 3

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000900403773e45b3225f054b0c09c1ee65cf015f3a2305ff1

They are mining both versions, are the miners the ones who choose which version to mine?

after three years in slush pool i have drop my mining machines from there. I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense

Because choices are bad!

no because we are in a middle of a political reform of bitcoin. I am not accept to take part in this and to break the freedom of cryptocurrencies in favor of the banks.

But you're taking a part, you chose Blockstream Core instead of Gavincoin and you think if a pool gives that choice to its users that's a bad thing, because people should not be able to have choices...

i respect your opinion but i dont think is right. Take a moment to read what is Mike Hearn and what he believe about bitcoin.

[pedrog]

i respect your opinion but i dont think is right. Take a moment to read what is Mike Hearn and what he believe about bitcoin.

I've been following Mike since I discovered bitcoin, what are you talking about?

[chek2fire]

give me one good reason why we must give such power to only one person to rule the code and fork it whatever he think is "good". If he want such a power and if he think that his opinion is above all of others then he must create an altcoin asap.
For the Mike hearn you can read this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333824.0

[gentlemand]

Just been an explosion. Now the nodes are nearly 1100.

[chek2fire]

we all can see that this movement is organized not from the people but from group that really have to much money to spent. You cant gain 300 nodes in some hours only from the hype.
Guys wake up! we are in a middle from a organized attack to bitcoin

[iCEBREAKER]

Just been an explosion. Now the nodes are nearly 1100.

That was just me, spinning up more NotXT and Pseudo nodes.   

Thanks to Amazon's EC2 (+ VPNs), we can deploy unlimited numbers of FakeXT nodes with the click of a mouse!   

[maokoto]

But there is something I do not understand very well  

Why choose between mining XT and core? It is not that XT will preserve the coins in core after forking? I mean, to mine XT or core is exactly the same right now isn't it?

[albert11]

Just been an explosion. Now the nodes are nearly 1100.

That was just me, spinning up more NotXT and Pseudo nodes.   

Thanks to Amazon's EC2 (+ VPNs), we can deploy unlimited numbers of FakeXT nodes with the click of a mouse!   

Nodes are not very relevant anyway are they?

If XT had 10 000 nodes right now but 0 miners were using that version it would be useless. It's the % of miners running that version that count, correct me if m wrong

[meono]

But there is something I do not understand very well  

Why choose between mining XT and core? It is not that XT will preserve the coins in core after forking? I mean, to mine XT or core is exactly the same right now isn't it?

Yes they're both on the same chain now. But having bitcoinXT ready incase large bitcoin services like exchange and miners need to avoid the blocksize limit issue due to natural growth or spam attacks

[nagatlakshmi]

All sides of the debate acknowledge that Bitcoin will ultimately need additional scaling solutions built on top of the protocol layer, and possibly a revision of the funding structure to reward miners. Bitcoin is still an experimental work-in-progress, with no clear-cut solutions.

[alani123]

Evidence of node number manipulation & large numbers of nodes deployed by a single person.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i1dra/psa_its_super_easy_to_manipulate_the_node_count_i/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hh7fz/50_new_xt_nodes_added_more_coming/

[alani123]

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