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September 13, 2012, 07:15:01 PM
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It's an awesome game.  There's no need for rules.
Agreed. I was just explaining that miln40's assumption that a peak in player donations could create a loss for BitMofo if he doesn't time the end of the game properly might be mistaken.  That description assumes a particular set of rules which may not be true (that donations are doubled in the order they are received, and that donations are doubled even at a loss to the game operator with the expectation that later donations will offset the loss).

Looking at the blockchain it seems it has been over 3 hours since anyone has tried playing.  I'm guessing people are waiting to see if any more successful doubles are posted before jumping in with more donations.

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September 13, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
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Uh oh,
After a quick review of the posts that claim successful doubles, it appears there is some lying here:

BitMofo claims to have sent 1 BTC to "max in montreal" with transaction ID 4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
Is this a scam...we will soon find out... Grin
Doubled
Transaction ID: 4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
This transaction indicates that BitMofo owns address 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy

Then later BitMofo claims "Another doubled" sending 4 BTC to 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Another doubled:
To: 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Debit: -4.00 BTC
Transaction ID: d23b8ec28b10902d5882acc6e2a96418698fa571032bfa459ba417f9929a4e04

So the 4 BTC was just sent by BitMofo to himself.

I suspect that the lie was necessary to get the ball rolling, but it makes me wonder just how many more of the supposed doubles were "priming the pump" or sock-puppets.  Still hoping for mine to get doubled, but starting to think I'll have to write off my contribution.

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September 13, 2012, 09:43:01 PM
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Of course there is a simple low-risk strategy to ensure that only the tiny initial spend becomes a loss. I'm sure you guys can figure it out :-)

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September 13, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
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Uh oh,
After a quick review of the posts that claim successful doubles, it appears there is some lying here:

BitMofo claims to have sent 1 BTC to "max in montreal" with transaction ID 4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
Is this a scam...we will soon find out... Grin
Doubled
Transaction ID: 4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
This transaction indicates that BitMofo owns address 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy

Then later BitMofo claims "Another doubled" sending 4 BTC to 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Another doubled:
To: 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Debit: -4.00 BTC
Transaction ID: d23b8ec28b10902d5882acc6e2a96418698fa571032bfa459ba417f9929a4e04

So the 4 BTC was just sent by BitMofo to himself.

I suspect that the lie was necessary to get the ball rolling, but it makes me wonder just how many more of the supposed doubles were "priming the pump" or sock-puppets.  Still hoping for mine to get doubled, but starting to think I'll have to write off my contribution.
Unless it was a double back to the same person?
- Max sends 1 BTC
- BitMofo sends 2 BTC back
- Max sends 2 BTC
- BitMofo sends 4 BTC back
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September 13, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
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This transaction indicates that BitMofo owns address 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Then later BitMofo claims "Another doubled" sending 4 BTC to 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy

So the 4 BTC was just sent by BitMofo to himself.

I suspect that the lie was necessary to get the ball rolling, but it makes me wonder just how many more of the supposed doubles were "priming the pump" or sock-puppets.  Still hoping for mine to get doubled, but starting to think I'll have to write off my contribution.
Unless it was a double back to the same person?
- Max sends 1 BTC
- BitMofo sends 2 BTC back
- Max sends 2 BTC
- BitMofo sends 4 BTC back
I don't think so. Take a look at the posts:

Max sends 0.5 BTC from 1gdphm to BitMofo at 13plh
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23573404/846d84f010b61c69996387d56ed1241c967d5476c5a04c469bf092d757162c06
Debit: -0.50 BTC

Then BitMofo sends 1 BTC from 1cyktdc back to Max at 1gdphm
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23575563/4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
Doubled.

Then BitMofo sends 4 BTC to 1cyktdc claiming another double
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23579274/d23b8ec28b10902d5882acc6e2a96418698fa571032bfa459ba417f9929a4e04
Another doubled:

If he can send from 1cyktdc when he sends 1 BTC to double Max's 0.5 BTC, then he MUST own the 1cyktdc address.
This can only mean that when he sent 4 BTC to 1cyktdc he was sending them to himself.

Like I said, it was probably necessary to get things going (much like a musician placing a few dollars in their own tip jar before they put it out). But that particular claim of doubling looks like an obvious lie. Perhaps that is the only lie, but the existence of that lie does make me wonder how many more lies there are in this game.  How many more false claims of doubling? How many sock-puppets?

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September 13, 2012, 10:43:55 PM
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Ah - you are correct Danny, thanks for pointing that out!
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September 13, 2012, 11:51:28 PM
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Looks like OP might have cashed out. Oh well, I'm at no gain or loss.

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September 13, 2012, 11:57:47 PM
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Looks like OP might have cashed out. Oh well, I'm at no gain or loss.
Seems to early to have cashed out yet.  All he has to do is pay a few off to reassure people that he is still doubling, and he should get more players.  I'd think he could keep that up for a week or so and significantly increase his take.

Heck, if I get doubled up, I'll just plow it right back in.  I wrote it off as a loss when I started, I figured I'd keep doubling my play until I reached his cap.

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September 14, 2012, 01:52:27 AM
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OP still owes me 1.5 BTC...actually 3 BTC.
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September 14, 2012, 01:57:32 AM
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Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 14 nodes
Date: 9/12/2012 15:04
To: 13pLHUm8gPEN5H4xvTg8pqFHcr24ywzY1Z
Debit: -0.50 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.5005 BTC
Transaction ID: 1767c283b1304f49d0131ef2ea5a4416ed890c68aa9f3838da2134ee9662f763

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 14 nodes
Date: 9/12/2012 15:06
To: 13pLHUm8gPEN5H4xvTg8pqFHcr24ywzY1Z
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -1.0005 BTC
Transaction ID: bf2b6a057b06238592dd9921c1e27d9f73d64b67c93b060823b783f8683873b0

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September 14, 2012, 02:03:45 AM
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Also waiting for a return.  Maybe BitMoFo did'nt get back to his/her computer since back from work !

Giving a chance to the runner..
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September 14, 2012, 02:07:39 AM
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Date Registered:  June 23, 2011, 12:57:33 PM
Last Active:  Today at 06:29:15 PM
 
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September 14, 2012, 02:47:03 AM
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I still haven't received a double:


Status: 186 confirmations
Date: 9/12/2012 12:56
To: bitmofo 13pLHUm8gPEN5H4xvTg8pqFHcr24ywzY1Z
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -1.0005 BTC
Transaction ID: 756838dd23c29285afb8eeab51b25973a874c0edaac0383f7b14b87580543608


Thought I would've been able to get in before BitMofo got out as it seemed like some transactions were being doubled after I had sent mine, but I do believe Mr. BitMofo has left the building with ~10BTC maybe? Maybe 5 BTC.  I was stuck in newbie lockdown until just now but I think the 1 BTC was gone the instant I sent the send button, regardless.  Enjoy your coins MOFO.
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September 14, 2012, 04:35:35 AM
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Pretty good "gamble" people seen the doubling got greedy started putting more coins up so where the OP just had to stop for a few hours n have more than he started with.  Well played.
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September 14, 2012, 04:54:57 AM
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Yep. What's funny is he said that this is exactly what he was going to do from the beginning. I sent 1 BTC knowing full well I would 99% never see it again, but I'm a gambling man and thought if I could score a free 1 BTC out of it + the entertainment value then I'd get more than my money's worth. I think I still have gotten my money's worth, truth be told.  I can't wait for round 2!!
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September 14, 2012, 06:25:07 AM
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Would people have played this differently if OP had written "I'm going to double everything sent to me - as soon as I can afford to do so using new payments"?  i.e. if he proclaimed up-front that it was a kind of a ponzi.

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September 14, 2012, 06:47:51 AM
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Guys I will be back, work has taken priorities.
Round 2/continuation this weekend!

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September 14, 2012, 06:58:04 AM
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This transaction indicates that BitMofo owns address 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Then later BitMofo claims "Another doubled" sending 4 BTC to 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy

So the 4 BTC was just sent by BitMofo to himself.

I suspect that the lie was necessary to get the ball rolling, but it makes me wonder just how many more of the supposed doubles were "priming the pump" or sock-puppets.  Still hoping for mine to get doubled, but starting to think I'll have to write off my contribution.
Unless it was a double back to the same person?
- Max sends 1 BTC
- BitMofo sends 2 BTC back
- Max sends 2 BTC
- BitMofo sends 4 BTC back
I don't think so. Take a look at the posts:

Max sends 0.5 BTC from 1gdphm to BitMofo at 13plh
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23573404/846d84f010b61c69996387d56ed1241c967d5476c5a04c469bf092d757162c06
Debit: -0.50 BTC

Then BitMofo sends 1 BTC from 1cyktdc back to Max at 1gdphm
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23575563/4ed0269f3ed3d0131b474c7b33fde43bdf869b46c102494a7e7176cf52874c57
Doubled.

Then BitMofo sends 4 BTC to 1cyktdc claiming another double
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/23579274/d23b8ec28b10902d5882acc6e2a96418698fa571032bfa459ba417f9929a4e04
Another doubled:

If he can send from 1cyktdc when he sends 1 BTC to double Max's 0.5 BTC, then he MUST own the 1cyktdc address.
This can only mean that when he sent 4 BTC to 1cyktdc he was sending them to himself.

Like I said, it was probably necessary to get things going (much like a musician placing a few dollars in their own tip jar before they put it out). But that particular claim of doubling looks like an obvious lie. Perhaps that is the only lie, but the existence of that lie does make me wonder how many more lies there are in this game.  How many more false claims of doubling? How many sock-puppets?


The double was not to myself as ianbakewell can confirm

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September 14, 2012, 07:16:59 AM
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Guys I will be back, work has taken priorities.
Round 2/continuation this weekend!


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September 14, 2012, 07:21:20 AM
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Another doubled:

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 37 nodes
Date: 11/09/2012 23:53
To: 1CyKTdcEHjWtD9FuamThfQA2cjbHvYQnzy
Debit: -4.00 BTC
Net amount: -4.00 BTC
Transaction ID: d23b8ec28b10902d5882acc6e2a96418698fa571032bfa459ba417f9929a4e04

Over 6 BTC doubled so far! Any more players?

Did you mean this instead?

Transaction ID: 062a48f0baff05c3ed09fbb0f7637f1d17619f21e7c9a366c5f2dcd8c5014839

That looks to me like a payment from you to Ian.  The one you wrote doesn't.

Edit: Oh, but the payment to Ian was after your post about having paid Ian.  So that's confusing.

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