JoyStream: Proof of Concept Demonstration (BitTorrent with BTC)

[LiteCoinGuy]

JoyStream: Proof of Concept Demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8di5KkoMw


cool stuff, take a look at this 

[Elwar]

I find it interesting but...why would someone pay for that content if they can get that same thing free from the same person?

Does the client have some way of only allowing Bitcoin spenders to access that seeded content?

I am sure this has been addressed since it is such an obvious aspect of torrenting, but I am curious how it works.

[Kprawn]

If a Seeder can gain income from the content he feeds, it would incentivize him to keep it availlable for longer periods. {How many times have you been looking for stuff, only to find that there are only 1 or 2 people still seeding it}

If the leechers start paying for the content, and the seeders gets payment, they would make more things availlable for a longer time.

In the long term, people could compete with each other to see who can seed at the lowest price and it would force the prices down. The person with the rare content would obviously make the most money from this.

This could be a good and a bad thing at the same time. {Content not being FREE anymore and more stuff being availlable for a longer time} 

[Elwar]

Here in Germany they go after BitTorrent by prosecuting the seeders. They get the IP address of the seeder then go to the ISP to find out the owner of that IP address (linked to an address). They then send a letter in the mail to the owner of that Internet contract telling them that they will be fined for illegally sharing copyrighted content.

My former landlord received one such letter because "one" of his tenants, who shall remain nameless, was seeding. The fine was somewhere around 900 euros each for 2 different movies. Fighting it involves getting a lawyer and trying to get the fine down.

When I was home visiting my mother she received a nastygram e-mail and phone call from Comcast because "one" of her sons, who shall remain nameless, just happened to have BitTorrent running with some seeded files. Of course, in the US there is no enforcement behind such notices so I told her to ignore it.

[fcuk]

This does sound interesting and can incentivize seeders. Hate leechers.

Here in Germany they go after BitTorrent by prosecuting the seeders. They get the IP address of the seeder then go to the ISP to find out the owner of that IP address (linked to an address). They then send a letter in the mail to the owner of that Internet contract telling them that they will be fined for illegally sharing copyrighted content.

People should be using proxies for torrents. Simple solution to stop this.

My former landlord received one such letter because "one" of his tenants, who shall remain nameless, was seeding. The fine was somewhere around 900 euros each for 2 different movies. Fighting it involves getting a lawyer and trying to get the fine down.

When I was home visiting my mother she received a nastygram e-mail and phone call from Comcast because "one" of her sons, who shall remain nameless, just happened to have BitTorrent running with some seeded files. Of course, in the US there is no enforcement behind such notices so I told her to ignore it.

Most letters that get sent out are harmless are just designed to scare you or to cough up money you dont need to pay (most will just pay the fine out of fear).

[Argwai96]

Really nice Concept, i would find it hard for them to get any major funding since is sharing we all know how that goes.

then again anything could happen it could be turned into a private torrent network for only paid streaming material.

[digicoinuser]

Interesting concept for sure, the website is a little scarce on information but I'm looking forward to more details.

[BillyBobZorton]

Here in Germany they go after BitTorrent by prosecuting the seeders. They get the IP address of the seeder then go to the ISP to find out the owner of that IP address (linked to an address). They then send a letter in the mail to the owner of that Internet contract telling them that they will be fined for illegally sharing copyrighted content.

My former landlord received one such letter because "one" of his tenants, who shall remain nameless, was seeding. The fine was somewhere around 900 euros each for 2 different movies. Fighting it involves getting a lawyer and trying to get the fine down.

When I was home visiting my mother she received a nastygram e-mail and phone call from Comcast because "one" of her sons, who shall remain nameless, just happened to have BitTorrent running with some seeded files. Of course, in the US there is no enforcement behind such notices so I told her to ignore it.

Thats the problem. Would a VPN solve it? because maybe the VPN providers are forced to disclose the information of whoever was using the VPN if the "bitorrent police" comes asking.

[hilariousetc]

Here in Germany they go after BitTorrent by prosecuting the seeders. They get the IP address of the seeder then go to the ISP to find out the owner of that IP address (linked to an address). They then send a letter in the mail to the owner of that Internet contract telling them that they will be fined for illegally sharing copyrighted content.

My former landlord received one such letter because "one" of his tenants, who shall remain nameless, was seeding. The fine was somewhere around 900 euros each for 2 different movies. Fighting it involves getting a lawyer and trying to get the fine down.

When I was home visiting my mother she received a nastygram e-mail and phone call from Comcast because "one" of her sons, who shall remain nameless, just happened to have BitTorrent running with some seeded files. Of course, in the US there is no enforcement behind such notices so I told her to ignore it.

Thats the problem. Would a VPN solve it? because maybe the VPN providers are forced to disclose the information of whoever was using the VPN if the "bitorrent police" comes asking.

Depends which VPN you use. If you were concerned I'd find a service that keeps no personal logs or details of their customers etc, but some do and if they get a subpeona then they will be forced to turn over all they have on you.

[hilariousetc]

It makes it more difficult for sure, though some will happily roll over and give them everything they ask for little to no questions asked. Just make sure you use one that isnt or is very unlikely to do this. There are also other ways you can protect yourself as well though.

[JohnnyBTCSeed]

I like this idea. Lets take it furthur.

The seeder still gets paid but heres the twist,

In order to leech you need to pay with the hashes from an antminer or something similar.

[Argwai96]

I like this idea. Lets take it furthur.

The seeder still gets paid but heres the twist,

In order to leech you need to pay with the hashes from an antminer or something similar.

That would probably kill the amount of users willing to download and then killing the amount of seeders needed.

Im still wondering how is the seeder protected on the network, i know a few people that have gotten their servers taken by the courts just because they are power seeders to filesharing. i would ratter see if they could turn this into a decentralize network of seeders that ask for payment in order to download faster.

[scarsbergholden]

JoyStream: Proof of Concept Demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8di5KkoMw


cool stuff, take a look at this 

Pretty cool indeed, it gives the torrent users a new world on micro payments, this could turn a lot things around for torrents and downloads.

[LiteCoinGuy]

Here in Germany they go after BitTorrent by prosecuting the seeders. They get the IP address of the seeder then go to the ISP to find out the owner of that IP address (linked to an address). They then send a letter in the mail to the owner of that Internet contract telling them that they will be fined for illegally sharing copyrighted content.

My former landlord received one such letter because "one" of his tenants, who shall remain nameless, was seeding. The fine was somewhere around 900 euros each for 2 different movies. Fighting it involves getting a lawyer and trying to get the fine down.

When I was home visiting my mother she received a nastygram e-mail and phone call from Comcast because "one" of her sons, who shall remain nameless, just happened to have BitTorrent running with some seeded files. Of course, in the US there is no enforcement behind such notices so I told her to ignore it.

lol 

[Argwai96]

JoyStream: Proof of Concept Demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8di5KkoMw


cool stuff, take a look at this 

Pretty cool indeed, it gives the torrent users a new world on micro payments, this could turn a lot things around for torrents and downloads.

The idea that this could lead to legal and new payment methods for tv shows could be huge if they incorporated it correctly. It's just like steam I used to pirate games a lot but when a service came and made it easy and a decent price I paid for all my games. I haven't downloaded a game torrent in like 6 years, Tv just needs to do the same thing with per episode, imagine how much BTC Gameofthrones could make for a high quality torrent at the same time as viewing on hbo if they are seeding themselves on high bandwith servers.

Both of you have a good point, this will monetize the torrent users to a new level of micro payments for special seeders, and also the film and media content industry could deliver better quality and faster payments, i just see the industry so far behind they still back on the download model for their shows.