Scammer still with green trust

[ajareselde]

Scammers profile link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133175

1DERPaUPKg81s5XySLDUSawerua7spNCNY

Other known alts, that are negg repped.



injust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=79168
1337PbTsQfk3DspasCGj7xtLRvJkRw5idm

jinjuro
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
1DEATH16LnC3Z6YLk9aRMFPdhsfT6c9D9V

jasonslow
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=69911
1FaiLsxpA7M3eKgw6S2wf7ezG2qvuo99S1
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https://blockchain.info/de/tx/4bf56ac50f164b25b9dca2cafcb6f3e4a1ed4630c55b31287a4f9dd23eb36df7
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/17d4b9e4ce9dd895d9f5533c48d50aed7edd20f95290dc0cdde31418d6809da8

More to come.

cheers

[1715657175]

1715657175

[trinaldao]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

[--Encrypted--]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

[EcuaMobi]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

Vod is still on default trust (under dooglus) and OP is not on depth 2 (he's on depth 4). You're seeing a different (non-default) trust list because you have Quickseller on your list.
Both bobolini and jinjuro are now red when using default trust.

[--Encrypted--]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

Vod is still on default trust (under dooglus) and OP is not on depth 2 (he's on depth 4). You're seeing a different (non-default) trust list because you have Quickseller on your list.
Both bobolini and jinjuro are now red when using default trust.

whaaat? so adding a user to my trust list automatically exclude whoever it is that he excluded from his?

[Quickseller]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

Vod is still on default trust (under dooglus) and OP is not on depth 2 (he's on depth 4). You're seeing a different (non-default) trust list because you have Quickseller on your list.
Both bobolini and jinjuro are now red when using default trust.

whaaat? so adding a user to my trust list automatically exclude whoever it is that he excluded from his?

If no one else has them included in their trust list then yes.

I will un-exclude Vod since he is gone and his ratings are very helpful to many people. My only concern was his rating against Armis, however I can "manually" ignore this.

Edit: also FWIW, I believe that jasonslow was purchased by injust, at least this was a report that I got because I heard that he had requested someone to remove negative trust from jasonslow after the alleged purchase. I know that bobini was purchased by injust as a negative account from me (I aquired it via a loan default) and Vod quickly removed the negative rating he had against it (the rating had something to do with a religion disagreement).

[ajareselde]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

I'm way lower than depth 2, and my feedback has zero weight, and also i like to see only default trust if possible, so that i know when other users see scammers neutral or green.
Trust in this forum is pretty messed up if you ask me, but luckily there are always those on DT that can jump in, like Tomatocage in this case (thank you btw)

cheers

[trinaldao]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

now her stat
-4: -2 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

[Hexcoin]

now he get
-1: -1 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

http://prntscr.com/7jutjt

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119416
this one still have neutral trust. Vod actually tagged him but he's no longer on default trust
and you're on depth 2, OP. why don't you leave some feedback?

now her stat
-4: -2 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

you dont need to post the current trust status of the account as everyone will see it like what you can see except those who are altered/customized their trust list.

[Injust]

I'd just like to post in here, since most of the people giving me negative reputation seem to have done it after seeing this thread.
Exactly what evidence is there of me scamming?

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.
For anybody who has openly (or in PM too) questioned me about purchasing accounts, I have never hid anything.

I'm not even active on my purchased accounts anymore.
All I ask, is for you to consider the evidence against me (which doesn't even exist) and consider removing your negative trust.
Also, like some other users have done, feel free to give me some neutral trust as a comment, noting that I am the owner of multiple accounts.
Again, I have always been open about the accounts that I own.

Thank you.

[dozerz]

I'd just like to post in here, since most of the people giving me negative reputation seem to have done it after seeing this thread.
Exactly what evidence is there of me scamming?

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.
For anybody who has openly (or in PM too) questioned me about purchasing accounts, I have never hid anything.

I'm not even active on my purchased accounts anymore.
All I ask, is for you to consider the evidence against me (which doesn't even exist) and consider removing your negative trust.
Also, like some other users have done, feel free to give me some neutral trust as a comment, noting that I am the owner of multiple accounts.
Again, I have always been open about the accounts that I own.

Thank you.

you have openly asked members to remove negative trust on your purchased accounts and questioned if they have proof of the scams. imagine how that feels to someone who has lost significant amounts of money to the accounts you have purchased.

[Injust]

I'd just like to post in here, since most of the people giving me negative reputation seem to have done it after seeing this thread.
Exactly what evidence is there of me scamming?

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.
For anybody who has openly (or in PM too) questioned me about purchasing accounts, I have never hid anything.

I'm not even active on my purchased accounts anymore.
All I ask, is for you to consider the evidence against me (which doesn't even exist) and consider removing your negative trust.
Also, like some other users have done, feel free to give me some neutral trust as a comment, noting that I am the owner of multiple accounts.
Again, I have always been open about the accounts that I own.

Thank you.

you have openly asked members to remove negative trust on your purchased accounts and questioned if they have proof of the scams. imagine how that feels to someone who has lost significant amounts of money to the accounts you have purchased.

I did that on the first account I purchased, not entirely realizing the consequences. The negative trust was indeed removed, because it was on a personal basis and not because of a scammer.
After realizing that I shouldn't do that when the negative trust rolled in, I haven't done that again.

But then, I'm not asking to remove the negative trust on my purchased account. Just this account.
I'm not even questioning the scams on those accounts. I never have asked for proof of those scams.

I only ask for proof of MY scams, because I never have, yet I am accused of being a scammer because I purchased accounts and asked the wrong questions.
For that, I apologize to those who were scammed by the accounts' previous owners. But labelling me as a scammer, please reconsider that.

[suchmoon]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

[Injust]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

I don't think I'm making myself clear.
I bought accounts with negative reputation. Until then, I only had positive reputation on this account.
I haven't scammed on this account. I haven't scammed on accounts I purchased.
Yet I'm labelled as a scammer, and nobody can bring forward even questionable, never mind solid, proof.

[Quickseller]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

I think what he was trying to say is that he is the original owner of "injust", that one of the accounts he purchased had defaulted on a loan (and had negative trust) long before he purchased said account, then he purchased said scammer account (in order to participate in giveaways).

[dozerz]

I'd just like to post in here, since most of the people giving me negative reputation seem to have done it after seeing this thread.
Exactly what evidence is there of me scamming?

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.
For anybody who has openly (or in PM too) questioned me about purchasing accounts, I have never hid anything.

I'm not even active on my purchased accounts anymore.
All I ask, is for you to consider the evidence against me (which doesn't even exist) and consider removing your negative trust.
Also, like some other users have done, feel free to give me some neutral trust as a comment, noting that I am the owner of multiple accounts.
Again, I have always been open about the accounts that I own.

Thank you.

you have openly asked members to remove negative trust on your purchased accounts and questioned if they have proof of the scams. imagine how that feels to someone who has lost significant amounts of money to the accounts you have purchased.

I did that on the first account I purchased, not entirely realizing the consequences. The negative trust was indeed removed, because it was on a personal basis and not because of a scammer.
After realizing that I shouldn't do that when the negative trust rolled in, I haven't done that again.

But then, I'm not asking to remove the negative trust on my purchased account. Just this account.
I'm not even questioning the scams on those accounts. I never have asked for proof of those scams.

I only ask for proof of MY scams, because I never have, yet I am accused of being a scammer because I purchased accounts and asked the wrong questions.
For that, I apologize to those who were scammed by the accounts' previous owners. But labelling me as a scammer, please reconsider that.

you asked to remove the negative trust on a scammer account you supposedly bought and asked for evidence of the scams. negative trust was then applied to your account for this reason.

[Injust]

I'd just like to post in here, since most of the people giving me negative reputation seem to have done it after seeing this thread.
Exactly what evidence is there of me scamming?

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.
For anybody who has openly (or in PM too) questioned me about purchasing accounts, I have never hid anything.

I'm not even active on my purchased accounts anymore.
All I ask, is for you to consider the evidence against me (which doesn't even exist) and consider removing your negative trust.
Also, like some other users have done, feel free to give me some neutral trust as a comment, noting that I am the owner of multiple accounts.
Again, I have always been open about the accounts that I own.

Thank you.

you have openly asked members to remove negative trust on your purchased accounts and questioned if they have proof of the scams. imagine how that feels to someone who has lost significant amounts of money to the accounts you have purchased.

I did that on the first account I purchased, not entirely realizing the consequences. The negative trust was indeed removed, because it was on a personal basis and not because of a scammer.
After realizing that I shouldn't do that when the negative trust rolled in, I haven't done that again.

But then, I'm not asking to remove the negative trust on my purchased account. Just this account.
I'm not even questioning the scams on those accounts. I never have asked for proof of those scams.

I only ask for proof of MY scams, because I never have, yet I am accused of being a scammer because I purchased accounts and asked the wrong questions.
For that, I apologize to those who were scammed by the accounts' previous owners. But labelling me as a scammer, please reconsider that.

you asked to remove the negative trust on a scammer account you supposedly bought and asked for evidence of the scams. negative trust was then applied to your account for this reason.

I never asked for evidence of the scams done by previous owners of accounts I purchased.
I'm asking for evidence of MY apparent scams.

Even in the negative trust left on my account, it has nothing to do with ME scamming.

"Injust purchased the account jasonslow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=69911)."
"injust asked to remove my negative feedback, jasonslow still owes me 2 btc. account bought by a scammer."

[Injust]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

I think what he was trying to say is that he is the original owner of "injust", that one of the accounts he purchased had defaulted on a loan (and had negative trust) long before he purchased said account, then he purchased said scammer account (in order to participate in giveaways).

Quickseller gets what I'm talking about.
Thank you.

[suchmoon]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

You're missing the point. It's been proven that you have alts. There is no way to prove that you're not a multi-alt scammer just trying to resurrect one of your accounts by faking a "sale". Even if your story was true - tough shit, that's the risk you take buying accounts.

Even ignoring the above - as far as I can see your neg trust is factual. Your best hope is to work it out with via PM because posting this shit publicly is more likely to earn you another one.

[xetsr]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

I don't think I'm making myself clear.
I bought accounts with negative reputation. Until then, I only had positive reputation on this account.
I haven't scammed on this account. I haven't scammed on accounts I purchased.
Yet I'm labelled as a scammer, and nobody can bring forward even questionable, never mind solid, proof.

Just to be clear, you're asking for negative feedback to be removed from Injust? Contact Mitchełł, the one who left it. Careful now though, they might notice MANY of the posts in the 777coins section, which could lead to more the just negative feedback since you're wearing a sig, know what I mean?

This is the perfect example on the risks of account buying business.

[Injust]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

You're missing the point. It's been proven that you have alts. There is no way to prove that you're not a multi-alt scammer just trying to resurrect one of your accounts by faking a "sale". Even if your story was true - tough shit, that's the risk you take buying accounts.

Even ignoring the above - as far as I can see your neg trust is factual. Your best hope is to work it out with via PM because posting this shit publicly is more likely to earn you another one.

About the multi-alt scammer thing.
I haven't even TRIED hiding my transactions.
Literally, ALL MY TRANSACTIONS are around the same 20 or so addresses, back and forth.

I've been entirely open about this.

Also, the account purchases were done with redsn0w as escrow, he would still have the PMs.
And yes, I have messaged him. And the 777Coin posts happened before I joined a signature campaign, or when I was in a signature campaign that didn't count posts in that board.
I never constantly posted in there for signature campaign, that's something I'd never do.
Thanks for the advice again.

[xetsr]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

You're missing the point. It's been proven that you have alts. There is no way to prove that you're not a multi-alt scammer just trying to resurrect one of your accounts by faking a "sale". Even if your story was true - tough shit, that's the risk you take buying accounts.

Even ignoring the above - as far as I can see your neg trust is factual. Your best hope is to work it out with via PM because posting this shit publicly is more likely to earn you another one.

About the multi-alt scammer thing.
I haven't even TRIED hiding my transactions.
Literally, ALL MY TRANSACTIONS are around the same 20 or so addresses, back and forth.

I've been entirely open about this.

Also, the account purchases were done with redsn0w as escrow, he would still have the PMs.
And yes, I have messaged him. Thanks for the advice again.

Is it not possible you sold the accounts to yourself? Others have gone through great lenghts to pull that off - I think that's the point he's trying to make.

[Injust]

I have bought a negative-repped account. I have not scammed.

Wow, that's a completely new excuse never used by any scammer. /s

Get real.

That's why I'm asking for proof of my "scam" activity.
I have a fair amount of positive trust, as well.

You're missing the point. It's been proven that you have alts. There is no way to prove that you're not a multi-alt scammer just trying to resurrect one of your accounts by faking a "sale". Even if your story was true - tough shit, that's the risk you take buying accounts.

Even ignoring the above - as far as I can see your neg trust is factual. Your best hope is to work it out with via PM because posting this shit publicly is more likely to earn you another one.

About the multi-alt scammer thing.
I haven't even TRIED hiding my transactions.
Literally, ALL MY TRANSACTIONS are around the same 20 or so addresses, back and forth.

I've been entirely open about this.

Also, the account purchases were done with redsn0w as escrow, he would still have the PMs.
And yes, I have messaged him. Thanks for the advice again.

Is it not possible you sold the accounts to yourself? Others have gone through great lenghts to pull that off - I think that's the point he's trying to make.

I see what you mean. If it is indeed true, because I can't think of a way to prove that those weren't previously owned by me, then well, I have nothing to go on, I guess.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Imo the red should be in permanent red ink.  Otherwise this can and will be used as a way to "clean" accounts.  I understand injust's POV but that's how I feel.

[KWH]

Imo the red should be in permanent red ink.  Otherwise this can and will be used as a way to "clean" accounts.  I understand injust's POV but that's how I feel.

A lot of this happens often, why I am hesitant removing a Negative, even if a "loan" is repaid later.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Imo the red should be in permanent red ink.  Otherwise this can and will be used as a way to "clean" accounts.  I understand injust's POV but that's how I feel.

A lot of this happens often, why I am hesitant removing a Negative, even if a "loan" is repaid later.

Yeah and the risks outweigh the benefits in this case.   I think when you buy a negative rated account it's probably not with the best of intentions.   Account sales are sketchy as it is.

[Mitchell]

When you buy an account, you buy everything related to it. I will not clean someone's trust rating just because the account was "sold".

[Injust]

When you buy an account, you buy everything related to it. I will not clean someone's trust rating just because the account was "sold".

I think I need to clarify myself. I'm not trying to clean a "sold" account's trust rating.
This account was never "sold". You gave me negative trust rating on my account because I bought another account with negative trust on it.

[Mitchell]

I think I need to clarify myself. I'm not trying to clean a "sold" account's trust rating.
This account was never "sold". You gave me negative trust rating on my account because I bought another account with negative trust on it.

Again: "When you buy an account, you buy everything related to it". You bought jasonslow, thus buying its defaulted loans. I've also told you before that I'll not remove my negative.

[Injust]

I think I need to clarify myself. I'm not trying to clean a "sold" account's trust rating.
This account was never "sold". You gave me negative trust rating on my account because I bought another account with negative trust on it.

Again: "When you buy an account, you buy everything related to it". You bought jasonslow, thus buying its defaulted loans. I've also told you before that I'll not remove my negative.

I bought an account with negative trust. I didn't buy any responsibility for the previous owner's actions, nor am I liable for whatever the previous owner did.

[suchmoon]

I think I need to clarify myself. I'm not trying to clean a "sold" account's trust rating.
This account was never "sold". You gave me negative trust rating on my account because I bought another account with negative trust on it.

Again: "When you buy an account, you buy everything related to it". You bought jasonslow, thus buying its defaulted loans. I've also told you before that I'll not remove my negative.

I bought an account with negative trust. I didn't buy any responsibility for the previous owner's actions, nor am I liable for whatever the previous owner did.

Seriously? How about activity? Why didn't you just create a new account and ask some DT members to color it red if your ONLY goal was to get a neg trust account?

You can't pick and choose here. You wanted an account with activity and it comes with responsibility for said activity.

[Injust]

Oh well. If you guys feel that labelling me as a scammer is appropriate, then I can't really do anything.
So much for being trustworthy and having a good rep.