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May 20, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
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Voting is already implemented in a couple of altcoins (PTS, Bitshares, NXT). I guess these implementations are need some adjustments for making a generic voting system as these are providing a weighted voting system.

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May 20, 2015, 10:49:29 AM
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Checkout:
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May 20, 2015, 10:53:42 AM
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The advantage of using the blockchain is that it's public and transparent and it cannot be changed or manipulated.
The theory and the vehicle is there, but the application in practice is very complicated.
You will have proof, that all votes entered is counted, but anonymity cannot be guaranteed.  Sad
Good luck, with whomever wants to tackle this conundrum. <Yea, I know my spelling sucks>

true there is a possibility of fake votes, because someone could always use tor/vpn/random proxy, to raise his vote

the problem is always there you can't connect one ip to a single user
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May 20, 2015, 11:50:27 AM
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It would be good for groups or organisations of known members to:

1) Create a voting token in an issuing account
2) Send those tokens to your members, making sure those tokens can only be sent to or from the issuing account so votes can be sent to others (they cans till be bribed but the blockchain can't stop that)
3) Start a vote on the blockchain that only recognizes those tokens in the count
4) Have the blockchain auto-collate the result transparently and publish it at a given block height in the future
5) And to do all this for <$5

That would be cool..  Grin Cheesy
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May 27, 2015, 12:07:04 PM
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A cheat durring count could be checked after the count was made public, if everyones vote is on the blockchain thats very easy. IMHO what is more problematic is that you need to make sure than everyone gets only one vote and no one can reveal the identity of the person voting. If this would work like bitcoin, I could just create a new private key (or 1 million) to have an additional (or 1 million more) vote(s). If they are distributed in advance they might be linked to me as a person and thus all votes might get public in case of a data leak.

Any idea that could it work like the tradisional voting system where there are a fixed amount of voters depending on the requirement like atleast 17 years old to vote. Than the number of those 17 years old will be counted and a private key will be created as the same number of people for that, distributed among them to make sure everyone get one vote?

Its certainly possible to make only a certain set of keys valid, e.g. by signing the pubkeys. You would create a private key, go to an office, show your ID and let them sign your pubkey. That way you now have a private key that no one else has that would be eligible for voting and possibly other government contact. This would however make it possible to know in hindsight who I voted for. In order to make sure I dont go to every government office in my city and get several keys signed they need to keep track who has a signed key and which key it is. If there is a record which key belongs to which person it will some day be revealed. This would enable someone to know who voted for which party, which as the past taught us is not a good idea. Esp. if you consider that those in power have the highest chance to acquire the information.

Im not sure how this could be solved.

Though you could give your key to another person. So that its not ensured that you yourself vote with it. There are occassionally cases where votes are bought.

If its known who holds which key then its no secret anymore, like you mentioned.

I thought about that topic often too, because i think real democracy, which means ruling of the citizens, and full transparency for politicians activities, are the key for a real fair government. The actual democracy is a joke. Citizens have the right to vote one time in a couple of years and they lose that right to other the rest of the time. Calling that democracy is a joke.

So if someone can think of a way to make votes so that everyone can take part, that no one can know who you voted for and that there is a way to at least check somehow if your vote was counted correctly, then it would be great.

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May 28, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
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It would be very difficult if not impossible to implement a 1-person-1-vote system on an ANONYMOUS blockchain since any individual could easily set up multiple accounts.

What about that? If there are 100 million eligible voters then you create a blockchain with excatly 100 million tokens. Each eligible voter gets a hash by email/post mail which let him/her create a public/private key pair (hash will be check for validity but can not be retraced to the created key pair) with exactly one token that allows to vote.

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May 28, 2015, 12:24:47 PM
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A cheat durring count could be checked after the count was made public, if everyones vote is on the blockchain thats very easy. IMHO what is more problematic is that you need to make sure than everyone gets only one vote and no one can reveal the identity of the person voting. If this would work like bitcoin, I could just create a new private key (or 1 million) to have an additional (or 1 million more) vote(s). If they are distributed in advance they might be linked to me as a person and thus all votes might get public in case of a data leak.

Any idea that could it work like the tradisional voting system where there are a fixed amount of voters depending on the requirement like atleast 17 years old to vote. Than the number of those 17 years old will be counted and a private key will be created as the same number of people for that, distributed among them to make sure everyone get one vote?

Its certainly possible to make only a certain set of keys valid, e.g. by signing the pubkeys. You would create a private key, go to an office, show your ID and let them sign your pubkey. That way you now have a private key that no one else has that would be eligible for voting and possibly other government contact. This would however make it possible to know in hindsight who I voted for. In order to make sure I dont go to every government office in my city and get several keys signed they need to keep track who has a signed key and which key it is. If there is a record which key belongs to which person it will some day be revealed. This would enable someone to know who voted for which party, which as the past taught us is not a good idea. Esp. if you consider that those in power have the highest chance to acquire the information.

Im not sure how this could be solved.
I also thought about that, for some time.
The government could just make paper wallets, that are loaded with one vote. You go in the office show your ID, and grab a paper wallet from a jar of paper wallets and get crossed of the list. You could then send the vote from the paper wallet(which private key, was made by the government) to your self generated address.

What would stop a person from creating a new key for every time they walked into a different office? Seems to me that there would need to be centralized control, matching ballot distribution against a list of enfranchised voters and tracking who has been given a ballot and who has not. But that leads to the question of how we know a ballot was requested by each specific voter (not grabbed by a ACORN type 3rd party) which takes us back to the need for old-style manual identification of each voter. I see some possibilities for use of a blockchain in voting, but only within the context of old-school voter verification methods to prevent fraud on the front end.

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May 28, 2015, 12:55:54 PM
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BitPools has a voting system set up which uses the blockchain.

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May 28, 2015, 01:48:22 PM
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I just read an interesting article on cointelegraph what is related to the topic here.

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Max Kaye is an Aussie with a passion for Bitcoin. He is currently working to bring a novel political party, the Neutral Voting Bloc, into existence using the bitcoin blockchain turning it into a political party of the future. He occasionally writes in his free time on subjects within the union of computer science and economics. An aspiring social entrepreneur; Kaye seeks growth in culture and society over account balances, and looks forward to the novel opportunities afforded within a Bitcoin based economy, including exciting restructurings of society.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114404/true-democracy-worlds-first-political-app-blockchain-party-launches-in-australia

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May 31, 2015, 12:06:35 AM
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So far it seems like only POS blockchains have produced working voting systems. In these systems the individual's vote is weighted according to the size of their stake.

Nxt can weigh the vote by a few different things: vote by stake, vote by account, vote by asset (shareholder votes), vote by MSCurrency.

Here is a Voting System teaser video describing it, URL set to the exact bit I am referring too > https://youtu.be/dhJgz6hpHXg?t=69

The video gives a good overview of the whole Voting System too. Goes live on the mainnet at block 445,000, excited!  Cheesy
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May 31, 2015, 12:08:48 AM
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Identification is a huge problem on that. How will you identify the voters?
Identity theft cases will increase. Also current governments have access to all identities...

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June 03, 2015, 09:54:45 AM
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Well, that's a good point. i would solve it like already described in a previous post. Every country has got a electoral register. Every eligible voter will get a unique hash code by email or post mail. The hash code has been created by a strong algorithm implemented into the software. The voter can use it to verify that he is eligible to vote and to create its private / public key values. Every hash can used only once.

Identification is a huge problem on that. How will you identify the voters?
Identity theft cases will increase. Also current governments have access to all identities...

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June 27, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
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An interesting article related to this topic has been published on TheBitcoinMagazine today. Check out...

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/21031/blockchain-technology-key-secure-online-voting

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June 28, 2015, 12:30:42 AM
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But they already invested so much money in infrastructure to allow them to cheat.

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June 28, 2015, 12:35:11 AM
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Brilliant idea. Definitely could be implemented. And I like the 2nd poster's comment about implementing it within the Bitcoin project so that changes to the infrastructure (i.e., the hard fork) and other ideas could be decided upon judiciously.

Are you going to take this idea to the next level of development? I'd love to get involved.

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June 28, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
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I'm sure the government would really like this idea .. NOT

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