USA finally approves gay marriage

[redandblack]

Congratulations to all. Modernity has reached America.

[dblink]

There is two rules in the world, God made rules and Man made rules. The whole universe is created by one God, and he is omnipresent and always live, he knows what is best and worst for his creations. A relationship which is opposed to a human man kind is totally ruthless and crossing the lines of nature peace living, men and women are made for each other to share their peace and love between them. I really oppose any relationship without a men and women being involved and do not even like to pronounce that xxy..... marriage stuff.

[jaysabi]

Celestio and jaysabi, it would appear you both grossly misinterpreted what I wrote. The fact is that several states had already begun to allow gay marriage. And many more were in line to do so. It would have been only a matter of time before all 50 states got on board and allowed it. This move by the SCOTUS was nothing more than a power grab. Interpret that how you will. Call me an idiot if you want. I won't lose sleep over it.

I'm not calling you an idiot mate, I'm just trying to understand your argument is all. You said this was a case of state's rights, and I explained my view of why it isn't. That's not misinterpreting what you wrote, it's directly responding to it. But you didn't address my points (if that's because they didn't address your points, fair enough, but explain how since it appears to me I directly addressed what you wrote). Regardless, I haven't seen a good explanation yet of why this was such a terrible court decision or what state's rights were taken away.

It being a matter of time isn't a justification for allowing states to take their sweet time recognizing individual rights. In time, integration might have been embraced too, and eventually slavery might have been abolished in the south on its own. "Eventually we'll get there" doesn't excuse the infringement of rights taking place right now. This isn't a question about state's rights, because you can't democratically elect to strip a group of people of their rights. So there is no prerogative of the states here that is being infringed.

[bryant.coleman]

I predict that before 2050, the SCOTUS will make marriage between humans and animals legal in the United States. They way things are going right now, that seems very much possible. BTW... now as the SCOTUS has legalized gay marriage, more and more states will try to secede from the Union, following the example of Texas.

[jaysabi]

I predict that before 2050, SCOTUS will not make marriage between humans and animals legal because that slope isn't nearly as slippery as a tenuous grip on reality would lead you to believe. I also predict 0 states, named Texas or otherwise, will try to secede over the issue of gay marriage, because I live in a world where a small percentage of people complaining about gay marriage doesn't equal a secession attempt.

[Beliathon]

Thoughts?

This is without question a victory for reason, compassion, and equality. Still, I can't endorse the institution of marriage, which is obsolete feudal sexual restriction to my eyes, but it's about fucking time they told the south to STFU and gave LGBTs equal rights.

[jayce]

I have no idea about the people that supporting gay marriage. It's right if they said gay never harm people, but it sounds not right to me. I think some people support gay marriage because the gay people can get their right to get married each other. So it doesn't be matter if the gays are a strangers. Then, what would you do if one of your family, son maybe, is a gay? Only retarded parent that don't get shock and support him immediately after hear it.

[celestio]

I have no idea about the people that supporting gay marriage. It's right if they said gay never harm people, but it sounds not right to me. I think some people support gay marriage because the gay people can get their right to get married each other. So it doesn't be matter if the gays are a strangers. Then, what would you do if one of your family, son maybe, is a gay? Only retarded parent that don't get shock and support him immediately after hear it.

Oh is that the case? You're in for quite a shock then because your siser, wife, daughter, aunt, mother, grandmoher, that random girl at work, etc, are all Bisexual. More than half the people on this planet aren't straight, and it's due to human biology. Sexual arousal is different from romantic attraction, and people generally tend to define their sexuality due to their romantic attractions, and it's simply wrong. Sexual arousal/attraction is the main identifying factor of one's sexuality, and they are vastly different between men and women.

Your bible is wrong, your koran is wrong, your torah is wrong. If they were right, then your god treats women unfairly for supposedly making it impossible for them to be relatively straight, sexually. The whole world needs to wake up and learn these things, then discrimination/homophobia and such on the basis of sexuality would itself be as taboo as say a neo-nazi.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/fashion/12bisex.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/books/review/what-do-women-want-by-daniel-bergner.html
http://www.livescience.com/37834-women-sexuality-and-alloparenting.html -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2051284/More-half-women-bi-curious-attracted-women.html -

"Heterosexual women, Dr. Chivers and her colleagues found, were no more excited by athletic naked men doing yoga or tossing stones into the ocean than they were by the control footage: long pans of the snowcapped Himalayas. When straight women viewed a video of a naked woman doing calisthenics, on the other hand, their blood flow increased significantly."

"Dr. Chivers’s work adds to a growing body of scientific evidence that places female sexuality along a continuum between heterosexuality and homosexuality, rather than as an either-or phenomenon."

[stevegreer]

Jaysabi, I know you weren't calling me an idiot. Celestio is actually the one who used that term. I was simply addressing both of you in my post because I felt there was no need for two posts. Anyway, I really don't know of any other way to address the point. I honestly have no problem with gay marriage. However, this is still the United STATES of America. We have elected officials in each state whose purpose is to represent the constituents of that state. The power to decide who can get married has now been taken away from the state and given to the federal government. Some see that as a good thing, others see it as a bad thing. Just look at the graphic posted by Beliathon and it shows the progression of states which have overturned gay marriage bans. The number was steadily increasing. Politicians are flip flops by nature and even the most conservative of governors and state legislators would eventually have had no choice but to heed the call of the people to overturn the bans. I know, it wasn't happening fast enough. But it was happening. For me, this ruling has little to do with gay marriage. The federal government is absorbing too much power. If you think the Executive branch has the best interest of the people in mind, you are wrong. Barack Obama did not support gay marriage until he figured out he could use it to his advantage to be reelected. Hillary Clinton is the same way. She is just another politician who will say anything to get elected. She doesn't care about gays or gay rights, and neither does Obama. They are all the same, they worship power at the expense of the little people. I'm glad gays have the right to get married now. But a huge door just got flung wide open. What's next?

[jayce]

I have no idea about the people that supporting gay marriage. It's right if they said gay never harm people, but it sounds not right to me. I think some people support gay marriage because the gay people can get their right to get married each other. So it doesn't be matter if the gays are a strangers. Then, what would you do if one of your family, son maybe, is a gay? Only retarded parent that don't get shock and support him immediately after hear it.

Oh is that the case? You're in for quite a shock then because your siser, wife, daughter, aunt, mother, grandmoher, that random girl at work, etc, are all Bisexual. More than half the people on this planet aren't straight, and it's due to human biology. Sexual arousal is different from romantic attraction, and people generally tend to define their sexuality due to their romantic attractions, and it's simply wrong. Sexual arousal/attraction is the main identifying factor of one's sexuality, and they are vastly different between men and women.

Your bible is wrong, your koran is wrong, your torah is wrong. If they were right, then your god treats women unfairly for supposedly making it impossible for them to be relatively straight, sexually. The whole world needs to wake up and learn these things, then discrimination/homophobia and such on the basis of sexuality would itself be as taboo as say a neo-nazi.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/fashion/12bisex.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/books/review/what-do-women-want-by-daniel-bergner.html
http://www.livescience.com/37834-women-sexuality-and-alloparenting.html -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2051284/More-half-women-bi-curious-attracted-women.html -

"Heterosexual women, Dr. Chivers and her colleagues found, were no more excited by athletic naked men doing yoga or tossing stones into the ocean than they were by the control footage: long pans of the snowcapped Himalayas. When straight women viewed a video of a naked woman doing calisthenics, on the other hand, their blood flow increased significantly."

"Dr. Chivers’s work adds to a growing body of scientific evidence that places female sexuality along a continuum between heterosexuality and homosexuality, rather than as an either-or phenomenon."

I think we can differ a attracted thing with marriage. Its okay if the gay strangers out there get married, but it be hard if your son is a gay, yeah maybe you will accept his decision and support him someday, but its still a hard thing you know. To be honest, in my opinion lesbian is more acceptable in society than gay.

[PolarPoint]

The court ruling is about US state has no right to ban same sex marriage. This "marriage" is a legal status, not about ruling same sex marriage is morally right or wrong.

[centauribit]

let them live as their married peers. There is no reason gay people shouldn't have the same rights and benefits straight people do

[ivanst776]

I don't care about homosexuality. what consenting adults want to do is their business. if two people love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together good luck

[popcorn1]

jayce

i feel sorry for your kids
if they got any problems they won,t be coming to tell you about them   poor kids

[bryant.coleman]

I also predict 0 states, named Texas or otherwise, will try to secede over the issue of gay marriage, because I live in a world where a small percentage of people complaining about gay marriage doesn't equal a secession attempt.

Opposition to homo marriage tops 50% in many of the Southern states. The ruling by the SCOTUS will be seen by the religious conservatives as an attempt by the court to weaken their religion. That said, I don't think that suddenly everyone living there will take up arms and create a secession movement. But for sure, extremist groups will be witnessing a steep rise in their membership.

[jayce]

jayce

i feel sorry for your kids
if they got any problems they won,t be coming to tell you about them   poor kids

Well I'm sorry if you can't understand my words. So, what do you think about this gay marriage? You support it or not? You better give your opinion about it than feel sorry for me. And, do you support it if one of your sons is a gay? Don't make any nonsense words like he can what he want or its his right to get it, just tell me what will you do honestly.

[engwell]

There is no marriage equality if homosexuals can't reproduce. Can the Supreme Court let them procreate? God still rules. The emperor is naked.

[xemra]

They'll have all the same rights as hetero married couples, and they can adopt, so pretty much the same thing.

[peterson33]

Timeline of Same-Sex Marriage Bans and Legalization by Effective Date of Laws






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[Daniel91]

We should understand one important thing here.
USA supreme court approved gay marriage only in state government offices, not in the churches.
Churches still can, based on their teachings and doctrine, refuse to marry same-sex couple and it's still completely legal and legitimate.
So, same-sex couples can get married in any state Office but only in churches that accept such couples.