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June 26, 2015, 11:10:51 PM |
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I have been monitoring buys and sells at: http://bitcointicker.co/dashboard/for a few days. Just a short while I ago...I saw a buy for 100 BTC. The price didn't even jump UP. What will it take for the price to climb?? What am I missing?? |
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pedrog
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June 26, 2015, 11:18:38 PM |
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Last 24h trade volume was around 48000 bitcoins, one 100 bitcoin buy doesn't even make a dent...
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CEG5952
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June 26, 2015, 11:27:58 PM |
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I have been monitoring buys and sells at: http://bitcointicker.co/dashboard/for a few days. Just a short while I ago...I saw a buy for 100 BTC. The price didn't even jump UP. What will it take for the price to climb?? What am I missing?? Investing 100 bitcoins wont make the price move an inch. You might want to consider the transactions with 1000 bitcoins above. You can see plenty of those in blockchain. |
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SmartIphone
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June 26, 2015, 11:30:57 PM |
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When bter was hacked ~7000 BTC, who remembers did the price went up or down?
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hayabusa911
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June 26, 2015, 11:46:09 PM |
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"if buying 100 BTC doesn't get the price to go up then what will"
A huge change in the market. The only time I have seen bitcoin move in a significant way is from big investors or a big dark market being taken down.
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randy8777
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June 27, 2015, 12:37:09 AM |
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it depends on the exchange of course. but the largest exchanges don't move when some one buys or sell 100btc. it's too low. some times on bitfinex a 1000btc buy or sell won't do much.
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OROBTC
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June 27, 2015, 01:46:42 AM |
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... Well my experience has been different...  Every time I buy BTC, the price then goes down afterwards. Same as when I buy gold or used to buy stocks. They front-run me! If I make ANY kind of trade, ask me, and take the other side of the bet... |
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Gyfts
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June 27, 2015, 02:03:42 AM |
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... Well my experience has been different... Every time I buy BTC, the price then goes down afterwards. Same as when I buy gold or used to buy stocks. They front-run me! If I make ANY kind of trade, ask me, and take the other side of the bet... You purchasing Bitcoin on such a small scale has nothing to do with the price. It's pretty much just bad luck. That goes the same for gold, stocks, ect. |
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Amph
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June 27, 2015, 06:30:55 AM |
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100 btc is a very tiny amount, to even think of manipulating the market with it, you need x100 that at least, and maybe much more, also you need a costant flow of money, not only one time buy...
first you need to defeat the 2k coins(probably more) that are dumped from miners each day, so at least 2k per day to move something, i would say that if you keep buying 5k coins per day, you should be able to move it by few step each time
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Q7
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June 27, 2015, 07:06:29 AM |
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Well first of all it is a very big market. If there are 1000 sellers with each of them agree to offer 1 btc for sale at 240, a buyer that buys 100 btc probably won't make much of a difference because the selling price would still remain at 240 with the rest of the sellers still waiting to conclude their sales. Once the remaining 900 btc has been bought up the next lowest selling price would be for example 241 will we start to see the overall market selling price going up. This is just an illustration purpose with the numbers all made up.
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ammy009
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June 27, 2015, 07:13:48 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price  |
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Erdogan
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June 27, 2015, 07:16:05 AM |
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If someone wants 100 coins, maybe someone else wants to hold 100 less. The price depends what is the strongest force. If the buyer really, really wants the coins, and the seller more reluctantly wants to sell, the price may go up. Opposite, if the seller really, really wants to rid himeself of coins, and the buyers sit on the fence, the price might go down.
It's all in the heads of the actors.
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Miracal
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June 27, 2015, 07:23:15 AM |
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... Well my experience has been different... Every time I buy BTC, the price then goes down afterwards. Same as when I buy gold or used to buy stocks. They front-run me! If I make ANY kind of trade, ask me, and take the other side of the bet... Haha, I know its sad to know that whenever you invest in something, its value falls down. We are living in a depressed economy mate. My advise is believe that you will invest money in any particular stock or gold, btc whatever for a long time. In the long term, investments benefit well, really well. Its all about time and calculating if its worth it. |
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Amph
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June 27, 2015, 07:27:30 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price you would impact it only for one day, then the dumping will kill you, you need a constant influx of new money to rise the market price, not a single little pump also a surging of the price in one sit only, will just lead to a brutal dump, for the weak hands |
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ammy009
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June 27, 2015, 07:33:37 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price you would impact it only for one day, then the dumping will kill you, you need a constant influx of new money to rise the market price, not a single little pump also a surging of the price in one sit only, will just lead to a brutal dump, for the weak hands some bots in mtgox manipulated the price in 2013. I am amazing .... how much bitcoins they had used to manipulate the market ? |
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Amph
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June 27, 2015, 08:11:23 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price you would impact it only for one day, then the dumping will kill you, you need a constant influx of new money to rise the market price, not a single little pump also a surging of the price in one sit only, will just lead to a brutal dump, for the weak hands some bots in mtgox manipulated the price in 2013. I am amazing .... how much bitcoins they had used to manipulate the market ? some times they use a strategy which involve fake walls, to rise the price, whitout actually selling/buying anything for example top seller is selling at 250 and top buyer is buying at 240, the top seller and top buyers are bot, the top seller rise his sell to 260, then the top buyers rise it to 250 and so on... |
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HigsonPP
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June 27, 2015, 08:14:44 AM |
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The amount you have invested is too low to cause a major change in the market, even if you multiply your initial amount by a 100, it will affect the market price for only a day. the market is too big to be affected so easily, it needs constant transfers and exchange of money to increase or a new trend/attention.
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ammy009
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June 27, 2015, 08:17:08 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price you would impact it only for one day, then the dumping will kill you, you need a constant influx of new money to rise the market price, not a single little pump also a surging of the price in one sit only, will just lead to a brutal dump, for the weak hands some bots in mtgox manipulated the price in 2013. I am amazing .... how much bitcoins they had used to manipulate the market ? some times they use a strategy which involve fake walls, to rise the price, whitout actually selling/buying anything for example top seller is selling at 250 and top buyer is buying at 240, the top seller and top buyers are bot, the top seller rise his sell to 260, then the top buyers rise it to 250 and so on... but, what about trading fees ? buying & selling repeatedly will cost nothing ? I think they only paid the fees to manipulate the market ? |
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Mehek
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June 27, 2015, 08:44:06 AM |
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The amount you have invested is too low to cause a major change in the market, even if you multiply your initial amount by a 100, it will affect the market price for only a day. the market is too big to be affected so easily, it needs constant transfers and exchange of money to increase or a new trend/attention.
The market can be affected with much more bigger exchanges, but only if these exchanges happen daily, the price level increases. It can only be possible through making people adopt to bitcoin. That's the beauty, baby. |
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Amph
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June 27, 2015, 10:25:19 AM |
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probably you need to buy at least 4000 BTC for impacting on btc price you would impact it only for one day, then the dumping will kill you, you need a constant influx of new money to rise the market price, not a single little pump also a surging of the price in one sit only, will just lead to a brutal dump, for the weak hands some bots in mtgox manipulated the price in 2013. I am amazing .... how much bitcoins they had used to manipulate the market ? some times they use a strategy which involve fake walls, to rise the price, whitout actually selling/buying anything for example top seller is selling at 250 and top buyer is buying at 240, the top seller and top buyers are bot, the top seller rise his sell to 260, then the top buyers rise it to 250 and so on... but, what about trading fees ? buying & selling repeatedly will cost nothing ? I think they only paid the fees to manipulate the market ? trading fee are negligable, they are around 0.25% and with big volume like 5k btc per movements, they fall around 0.1%, so they lose 5 btc, which may look a tons of money for us, but not for someone that has 5k btc... |
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