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June 29, 2015, 10:47:11 AM
Last edit: July 02, 2015, 01:43:11 AM by chalkboard17
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EDIT 7/1/15: I removed irrelevant information from the case. I changed thread's title and removed Waldo's information since he is now willing to deal, even though at as of now absurd terms.
I stopped contacting any other person or community. I had many more people, groups, community, people he works with, justice and law enforcement to contact, spread information and seek help but I will try to solve everything here, in this thread and publicly, for now.

Thank you for your interest. This thread is being constantly updated and more information added.
Please verify the how you can help section.

What happened:
Waldohoover stole 16.64122524 btc from me.

How:
1) I pay waldohoover on the 6th may for 32 antminer s3.
2) He says pallet will be delivered to shipping company in a day and at my house in a few weeks
3) Weeks later, he changes shipment method to best suit him
4) Weeks later he cancels the deal, blames me for it and sells the products to other people
5) He charges me absurd, unlawful and made up fees, stalls me and ends up disappearing with my entire money

During all this time I was kind and offered Waldo other shipment methods, apologized, thanked and offered him a discount. On the other hand, after being paid Waldo never apologized or thanked for anything, treated me in a extremely condescending way I wasn't ever treated worst before and charges me many absurd fees. He gave up on making up stuff and stalling to finally scam me in the end.
Dealing with this person is a nightmare and an ordeal. He is an horrible person, businessman and will rob you, specially if you have no recourse such as being poor or/and live abroad.
After nearly 2 months of scam I open this thread, where most people would do so in a few days instead of two months. Before being paid he was nice and attentive.
In the first week of negotiation I informed him I could not afford to lose money because I was going to have a family in days from then.

Scammer's Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101143
https://www.coiningsolutions.com

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994043

Amount Scammed:
16.64122524 btc
Payment Method:
Bitcoin
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/d93a6996bb59e21d1ee993859adac469404a04a644630c3c1e1bd01f5e0c9320
https://blockchain.info/tx/86d7fea725e1f087af5d3dbd317bd85ef44776a366d16184c272880e14690cdc
https://blockchain.info/tx/51db42b04c190ea66bc7470e723b094806a7a223e851223d2a0b9425ac543a24 (0.7 btc change)

PM/Chat Logs:

Waldo denies escrow, says I will have pallet at my door in a few weeks at best


Waldo before being paid

Waldo's excellent customer service treatment after being paid, holding my money for 1 month. Notice how he said he would send me my money... 3 weeks ago!

My last email to him, june 26th morning. Ignored.

Other information about him:
Removed as Waldo now is trying to make a deal, even though absurd.

How you can help:
Send me any information you may have linking to this person
Remove any good feedback or post about him
Leave him bad trust feedback here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101143
In case you want, here is a copy of what you can write:
Risked BTC: 16.64122524
Reference link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279
Type: Negative
Comments: Waldohoover stole 16.64122524 BTC from chalkboard17. Will remove this once the matter is settled. Highly advice you not to trade with him until then. More information available here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279

He is now willing to negotiate and his account is already very red as it is. I have no intention to kick who already is on the floor so I think no more is necessary, for now. To those who did it, please keep it there while this is sorted. Thanks a lot to everyone who helped with this!

With your help, you will send a message that bitcoin users do not comply with theft and scamming! Most importantly, you will prevent more people be robbed by Waldo Hoover!
I ask you to please help me, my kid and the future victims of this person. Thank you!

Additional Notes:
I was saving this money for years and when my girlfriend became pregnant I decided to fully use it for my child who was born on the 29th may. My father-in-law allowed me to use his solar panels for mining and I would use the revenue for my kid. Indirectly, Waldo who is rich, adult and lives in a rich country, stole from a poor newborn kid from a 3rd world country.
If you want to spam for your signature campaign saying I should have used escrow or blaming me for being stolen please do this somewhere else. Waldo refused to escrow and he had some reputation. I already know not to trust anyone now and I am carrying too much of a burden as it is.

My guess is he did want to send it at first, however he faced problems and instead of facing his own responsibility he decided to blame me and take my money.
He was unable to send it and cancelled it. I could blame him but I didn't. I was nice enough to offer him a 0.15 btc discount + disregard btc price drop + disregard the mining revenue lost. I was rewarded by him doing to me everything I should have done to him and didn't. This guy cannot be a businessman here and nowhere else.

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June 29, 2015, 12:54:39 PM
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I see that he does have some reputation however from the looks of it, he has not been trusted with anywhere near 16 BTC at one time. If he was refusing escrow then you should not not gone through with the deal. 

It also appears that the screenshot is most likely not the only communication with him. Do you have any additional chat/PM logs, including one where he either gives you a payment address and/or confirms receipt of the funds? If you click "quote" and then paste the text in this thread then it will be much easier to read verses posting a screenshot.

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June 29, 2015, 12:57:38 PM
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I see that he does have some reputation however from the looks of it, he has not been trusted with anywhere near 16 BTC at one time. If he was refusing escrow then you should not not gone through with the deal.  

It also appears that the screenshot is most likely not the only communication with him. Do you have any additional chat/PM logs, including one where he either gives you a payment address and/or confirms receipt of the funds? If you click "quote" and then paste the text in this thread then it will be much easier to read verses posting a screenshot.
Thank you for your interest.
As I already wrote, I already know now I should never have trusted him that much. These kind of comments will only make me feel worse. I already know not to trust anyone again. I say this now to you and to whoever more is thinking of saying the same thing.

This thread is being constantly updated. I only posted one picture because I wanted to see if it was possible to use spoiler tags to make the thread cleaner, but I don't think it is possible. More screenshots are being provided.
Thank you for your input and please help me by leaving negative trust feedback for him.

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June 29, 2015, 04:33:38 PM
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send a pm to him to notify him.
Countless private messages, emails and sms have been sent and shown here. Of course I wouldn't open this thread before doing so. In fact, it took nearly 2 months of that before I opened this thread. I was more than patient.

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June 29, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
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More information provided, and more will constantly be provided. Lawsuit and authorities being contacted on their way.
I will not cease for a single minute, for the next 50 years, to recover my entire money even if I spend 10x what I recover.
Waldohoover is ignoring me and this thread and going by as if nothing happened. This itself should prove that he scammed me.
Bitcoin is not a scammer heaven and you don't get to take money out of my family's pocket in this way.
I have personally got US passport and I will fight to have my money back! The only other opportunity is seeing you handcuffed, "waldo".

I am surprised only one person helped me...  There are enough proofs that he scammed.

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June 29, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
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More information provided, and more will constantly be provided. Lawsuit and authorities being contacted on their way.
I will not cease for a single minute, for the next 50 years, to recover my entire money even if I spend 10x what I recover.
Waldohoover is ignoring me and this thread and going by as if nothing happened. This itself should prove that he scammed me.
Bitcoin is not a scammer heaven and you don't get to take money out of my family's pocket in this way.
I have personally got US passport and I will fight to have my money back! The only other opportunity is seeing you handcuffed, "waldo".

I am surprised only one person helped me...  There are enough proofs that he scammed.

Did you ever receive the equipment and then sent it back? Or was it sent back by the  shipping company? Why? Why does he say he has to verify the returned items before issuing a refund?
Why was the deal cancelled? What problems happened? Why did he blame to you?  This is the payment you made for the item, right? What exactly are the other 2 you list?
What fees exactly did he charge to you? Why? Did he refund anything at all? Is he asking you to wait even more in order to send the refund? What's his excuse? Or has he stopped any communication with you recently?

Please share the whole conversation as text. Right now there's not enough information, I think that's why this hasn't got more attention. Try to be as neutral as possible when explaining. If you blame 100% to him and post the messages out of context it's hard to believe you're telling all the truth. Give us the whole story and we will be able to help.

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More information provided, and more will constantly be provided. Lawsuit and authorities being contacted on their way.
I will not cease for a single minute, for the next 50 years, to recover my entire money even if I spend 10x what I recover.
Waldohoover is ignoring me and this thread and going by as if nothing happened. This itself should prove that he scammed me.
Bitcoin is not a scammer heaven and you don't get to take money out of my family's pocket in this way.
I have personally got US passport and I will fight to have my money back! The only other opportunity is seeing you handcuffed, "waldo".

I am surprised only one person helped me...  There are enough proofs that he scammed.

Did you ever receive the equipment and then sent it back? Or was it sent back by the  shipping company? Why? Why does he say he has to verify the returned items before issuing a refund?
Why was the deal cancelled? What problems happened? Why did he blame to you?  This is the payment you made for the item, right? What exactly are the other 2 you list?
What fees exactly did he charge to you? Why? Did he refund anything at all? Is he asking you to wait even more in order to send the refund? What's his excuse? Or has he stopped any communication with you recently?

Please share the whole conversation as text. Right now there's not enough information, I think that's why this hasn't got more attention. Try to be as neutral as possible when explaining. If you blame 100% to him and post the messages out of context it's hard to believe you're telling all the truth. Give us the whole story and we will be able to help.
I wondered the same thing.  Seems like missing information to this which makes it hard to understand how it played out.  These are good questions.

How:
1) I pay waldohoover on the 6th may for 32 antminer s5.
I also assume you mean antminer s3?

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June 29, 2015, 09:14:18 PM
Last edit: June 29, 2015, 09:39:20 PM by chalkboard17
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More information provided, and more will constantly be provided. Lawsuit and authorities being contacted on their way.
I will not cease for a single minute, for the next 50 years, to recover my entire money even if I spend 10x what I recover.
Waldohoover is ignoring me and this thread and going by as if nothing happened. This itself should prove that he scammed me.
Bitcoin is not a scammer heaven and you don't get to take money out of my family's pocket in this way.
I have personally got US passport and I will fight to have my money back! The only other opportunity is seeing you handcuffed, "waldo".

I am surprised only one person helped me...  There are enough proofs that he scammed.

Did you ever receive the equipment and then sent it back? Or was it sent back by the  shipping company? Why? Why does he say he has to verify the returned items before issuing a refund?
Why was the deal cancelled? What problems happened? Why did he blame to you?  This is the payment you made for the item, right? What exactly are the other 2 you list?
What fees exactly did he charge to you? Why? Did he refund anything at all? Is he asking you to wait even more in order to send the refund? What's his excuse? Or has he stopped any communication with you recently?

Please share the whole conversation as text. Right now there's not enough information, I think that's why this hasn't got more attention. Try to be as neutral as possible when explaining. If you blame 100% to him and post the messages out of context it's hard to believe you're telling all the truth. Give us the whole story and we will be able to help.
Yes, I was going to do it now. I was thinking whether or not do so because it is a very long conversation and possibly would get attention away due to its size.
I will answer right now your questions though.

I never received anything. Nothing ever left the United States.
I doubt, but cannot prove, that it even left his deposit.
Waldo was not able to send me due to brazilian laws. All the time I explained him that was not my fault nor his, while he was blaming me, charging fees and saying I cancelled for nothing.
Him saying he has to verify the stuff is just another of his absurds. I never touched anything, and he just wants to make up damages done by the shipping company although they never shipped anything. It is just another way of "stealing without stealing"
The deal was cancelled by him. He started to sell the products without contacting me, to other people. I was still trying to get them shipped. Days later I decided to cancel it too. Problems happened with brazilian totalitarian government, not waldo or me (once again, I told him all the time it was not his fault, but this behavior is not mutual)
He blamed because he made up I cancelled the deal (he did), and even if I had, he was supposed to send me the entire payment because according to california law you must state your refund policy prior to purchase and he told me nothing. I was nice enough to disregard mining revenue lost + btc price drop at the time + offered 0.16 btc out of good faith. I didn't have to offer anything but I did anyway. Waldo was not satisfied and wanted more and more. He first made up he had to check the pallet (still hasn't finished, 3 weeks and half later!!), then 15% restocking fee (s3 raised in price and he is selling at a $14 markup, profiting more), then he said he will also add "shipping fees" to the whole amount, this is all an attempt to give me back a small value (say 20% for example) of what I paid. As I said he wants to "steal without stealing"
As if all of that wasn't enough, he simply decided to stop stalling (4 weeks to send me a payment of 10 seconds) and decided to ignore my emails, sms, phone calls and private messages. My last contact with him was on friday 26th june morning through email where I gave him until night to contact me. He ignored me, and went on posting normally here. I was "patient" (more like stupid) and gave him the whole weekend to reply (he once went nuts because I tried to contact him on weekend), he still ignored me. I then started this thread today, which I should have done months ago.
That link you provided me is payment. Second link is payment for invoice + another s3 and 1 killawatt. Third payment is from him sending me 0.7 btc change.
He refunded me NOTHING so far. And now I have to hear my wife rightfully be mad at me all the time.
His excuse now is that he is awaiting for shipping company to provide the amount owed (that he will bill me for even though nothing happened!)... for 3 weeks and half.

Yes, antminer s3. I am sorry. Corrected.

As I said, I was thinking whether or not share EVERYTHING because I was afraid people would see so much information and be reluctant to participate. But you are right, I will provide everything, in a very neutral way. Not a single letter edited or anything.
There, I answered all your questions made now. I hope that helped. I am sorry for english not being my main language. You see, a few months ago I was very nice. I had a better job (got demoted recently), had nothing to worry (no family), good btc networth (now btc and altcoin price crashed). I just want my money, nothing else. I tried being nice all the time with this person to receive nothing but punch after punch for this. I am tired and want justice.

wlefever and ecuamobi thank you VERY much for helping me! Please feel free to ask any questions at all. I have NOTHING to hide, the same does not go to waldo. I will gladly provide any information necessary.
I highly appreciate yours and anyone else's help! This will not go unpunished and you all will witness justice being brought to bitcoin users. Time after time we face scam after scams. This has got to stop and I will do my best to protect this technology I love so much and also my precious son's fund.
I count with your help to prevent anyone else ever being scammed by waldohoover and go through the same thing I am going. I wish this to no man, not even to him.
I just want my money back. Everything I paid, now. Not 2 years from now and 6% what I paid, if anything. He says I am "spazzing out" (and other things too!) after kindly asking my money back after WEEKS. Do you see any business talking to clients like that? I have NEVER been treated like that.

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Waldo avoided this thread, posted lousy and liar excuses on another thread. The police will be contacted today and this will be brought upon a small claims court. I managed to finish USA passport process just for this.
Waldo has never refunded me a single cent after months of wait. Waldo does not want to send me a single cent. Waldo will attempt to send me a part of what he owes me if he senses justice will be brought upon him. I offered him 16.5 btc but now I want my full 16.64122524 btc. If this goes further I will be forced to ask indemnity + any expense I have with this case as well.
He will try to lie saying "I am awaiting for shipping company to refund me". Bullshit. He's loaded and does not need to wait anything or anybody. Besides, he wants to decrease the shipping amount to the total amount (along with restocking fee + disregard revenue lost on mining + btc price rise disregard). In fact he does not want to decrease anything, he plans on sending 0 btc. This stalling has been going for over a month, not just a few hours.

I need your help. He is still going around, advertising his services and attempting to rob more people on his exit scam.
Please negative his trust feedback here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101143
Please remove any good post or trust feedback you left about him.
Please send me any information you have about this person or business.

I have added more proof and will add as much as necessary. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. I have absolutely nothing to ask and can provide anything you ask for, as I always have here.
This is how I talk to him: http://prntscr.com/7mweuq This is how he talks to me: http://prntscr.com/7mwivh
This is my kid, please help him have a better future: http://i.imgur.com/QB75mtA.jpg
He is born in a poor family in a poor country, but honest.


My last email to him, june 26th morning. Ignored.

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Bump. Any question/input is highly appreciated. Awaiting for the sun to rise in California for legal measures to be taken.

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Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994043.100 you say this is an e-mail you sent http://prntscr.com/7mweuq.
SO this shipment is going from the US to brazil correct?
If so multiple freight companies could be involved. I believe the response of Waldohoover is correct. I think you need to provide a complete log of all communications if you are going to make these types of allegations.
Also did he provide you with a tracking number?
If so what does the tracking number say?
Why did you not check local rules on imports before placing such a large order?
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that's such a pity, leaving you like this, as i never trust anyone in this platform your might have flaws in your story but you miight not either, i was reading it wholly till i see that kid, really i felt trouble on behalf of you if your is is not made up, but if you are making this whole kid,marriage,woman stuff to blame harsher Waldoover you are worse than him if vice versa i feel so sorry, i hope you make it up to yourself somehow.
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Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994043.100 you say this is an e-mail you sent http://prntscr.com/7mweuq.
SO this shipment is going from the US to brazil correct?
If so multiple freight companies could be involved. I believe the response of Waldohoover is correct. I think you need to provide a complete log of all communications if you are going to make these types of allegations.
Also did he provide you with a tracking number?
If so what does the tracking number say?
Why did you not check local rules on imports before placing such a large order?
Correct.
If you believe his response is correct you are his shill, misinformed or didn't understand it all, despite more and more text and pictures being thrown here.
He never provided me a tracking number because the pallet never left the US. Even him knows and says that.

As for your last question, first waldo changed shipment method much later! He changed from normal shipping sending to local port sending method. Government rejecting it has nothing to do with me OR HIM. I recognize that, why can't you or him do the same. I would have gotten the products normally if he sticked with regular shipping as was agreed first, not the port way he chose weeks after I paid
The pallet has been returned to him for a month now. A month. Not 2 days. He already sold most of the miners to other people. He is "awaiting for shipper to send him amount" so he can deduct that to me, another fee made up by him together with "restocking fee"

This deal failed because 1) Brazilian government. Not mine or Waldo's fault. I recognize that all the time 2) He picked this shipment method instead of normal like was agreed 3) Did you even read how he talks to me? It's humiliating to say the least. Are you human too or not to ignore that?
As you can see I offered him 0.16 btc discount + good feedback + btc price drop disregard at the time + patient to wait + disregard mining revenue. I didn't have to offer anything and just demand my full 16.65 btc back instead of only 16.5.
Waldo was not satisfied and also wanted btc price correction now + "shipping amount to be deducted to me" + "restocking fee"
Oh yeah, I am "lucky" to be charged those fees! His own words. Waldo be praised, such a nice person.

Keep in mind that even with those made up numbers I haven't received nothing yet and week after week he creates another excuse to simply send my money back.
I will repeat, this deal was cancelled (by him first, then by me later) a month ago. Gotta make it clear because from the way you type it seems deal was cancelled yesterday. Since then, nothing was sent back to me.

that's such a pity, leaving you like this, as i never trust anyone in this platform your might have flaws in your story but you miight not either, i was reading it wholly till i see that kid, really i felt trouble on behalf of you if your is is not made up, but if you are making this whole kid,marriage,woman stuff to blame harsher Waldoover you are worse than him if vice versa i feel so sorry, i hope you make it up to yourself somehow.
wait what? I am harsher than him? He steals my money and tells I am spazzing out, have no right to call any shots, am lucky he is still talking to me and so on and I am harsher than him for asking my money back? I wrote I mentioned my family to him before anything and even after that he treats me like crap which he shouldnt with famiily or not

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Forgot to mention, first month he stalled and took a long to get things "shipped". He took an entire month to do that. Here's me nearly a month later asking him about the situation:
 


once again take notice how I talk to him and how I mentioned my family to him, not only here to be "harsher than him".
Second month he stalls to refund

But I am being harsher and unpatient, surely. I should have waited a few years more. I only waited 1 month (2 months if count the delayed shipment too) to open this thread where most people would do so 2-3 days later.

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June 30, 2015, 04:38:36 PM
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Why not use a escrow with such a huge amount like 16 bitcoin
So,you are a brave man right?
No need to be,not here and not now
I'm really so sorry for this big lost.

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Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994043.100 you say this is an e-mail you sent http://prntscr.com/7mweuq.
SO this shipment is going from the US to brazil correct?
If so multiple freight companies could be involved. I believe the response of Waldohoover is correct. I think you need to provide a complete log of all communications if you are going to make these types of allegations.
Also did he provide you with a tracking number?
If so what does the tracking number say?
Why did you not check local rules on imports before placing such a large order?
Correct.
If you believe his response is correct you are his shill, misinformed or didn't understand it all, despite more and more text and pictures being thrown here.
He never provided me a tracking number because the pallet never left the US. Even him knows and says that.

As for your last question, first waldo changed shipment method much later! He changed from normal shipping sending to local port sending method. Government rejecting it has nothing to do with me OR HIM. I recognize that, why can't you or him do the same. I would have gotten the products normally if he sticked with regular shipping as was agreed first, not the port way he chose weeks after I paid
The pallet has been returned to him for a month now. A month. Not 2 days. He already sold most of the miners to other people. He is "awaiting for shipper to send him amount" so he can deduct that to me, another fee made up by him together with "restocking fee"

This deal failed because 1) Brazilian government. Not mine or Waldo's fault. I recognize that all the time 2) He picked this shipment method instead of normal like was agreed 3) Did you even read how he talks to me? It's humiliating to say the least. Are you human too or not to ignore that?
As you can see I offered him 0.16 btc discount + good feedback + btc price drop disregard at the time + patient to wait + disregard mining revenue. I didn't have to offer anything and just demand my full 16.65 btc back instead of only 16.5.
Waldo was not satisfied and also wanted btc price correction now + "shipping amount to be deducted to me" + "restocking fee"
Oh yeah, I am "lucky" to be charged those fees! His own words. Waldo be praised, such a nice person.

Keep in mind that even with those made up numbers I haven't received nothing yet and week after week he creates another excuse to simply send my money back.
I will repeat, this deal was cancelled (by him first, then by me later) a month ago. Gotta make it clear because from the way you type it seems deal was cancelled yesterday. Since then, nothing was sent back to me.

that's such a pity, leaving you like this, as i never trust anyone in this platform your might have flaws in your story but you miight not either, i was reading it wholly till i see that kid, really i felt trouble on behalf of you if your is is not made up, but if you are making this whole kid,marriage,woman stuff to blame harsher Waldoover you are worse than him if vice versa i feel so sorry, i hope you make it up to yourself somehow.
wait what? I am harsher than him? He steals my money and tells I am spazzing out, have no right to call any shots, am lucky he is still talking to me and so on and I am harsher than him for asking my money back? I wrote I mentioned my family to him before anything and even after that he treats me like crap which he shouldnt with famiily or not

I think you got me wrong, IF YOUR STORY IS A MADE-UP YOU ARE HARSHER THAN THAT SCAMMER! if man if... i dont easily believe people in this platform, you might got scammed and i feel sorry for you but first get me true please
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I might as well join into this pity party for Jose. I haven't read through his false claims but skimmed a couple of things:

You're claiming I never shipped them? That's funny because while your pallet was sitting at the Port of Long Beach, CA on the way to Brazil - and the shippers contacted you directly for your import #s and licenses, YOU were the one who could not provide them to the shippers, which lead to you cancelling the shipment. But that's my fault, somehow, right?  Roll Eyes

Someone said, "he's never held 16BTC before" - I've held over XXXXBTC of customers money (and my own) over the last 3 years as being a reseller, GBO and colocation - you people honestly feel I would risk my reputation over this small order? He may feel a few thousand dollars is a ton of money (which it can be to some) but when I'm placing wholesale orders from Bitmain for pallets on pallets to resell this stuff is peanuts. What's a bit frustrating is I've been in the community for years and years and this 'customer' is brand new buying gear for the first time and everyone literally takes his side.

Here's the TLDR version of the whole situation:

- customer wants to purchase s3s and have them shipped to brazil
- customer requests false invoice to avoid him paying taxes and input fees
- takes us (me) a few weeks to find a new shipper as the original one gave a bogus quote
- i include free switches, free replacement s3 fans with shipment along with his custom invoice
- pallet is shipped and at the port of long beach, ca
- shippers contact him directly to obtain his import #s and licenses (or whatever is required for Brazil import)
- customer is unable to provide the required paperwork and/or import license required for him receiving this pallet
- I ask what he would like to do, continue to wait or return the shipment
- customer says: return
- i tell shippers return
- pallet is returned to me about a week later
- i ask shipping company for a refund of the difference for the shipping (they already charged my CC in full prior to pickup)
- i explain to customer (your refund will be in full minus the cancelled charges for shipping and handling fees) once I get the refund from the shipping company
- i ask the shippers everyday where is my refund to which they give me the runaround - (this is literally about a 2 week ordeal of me going back and forth with the shipping company)
- they literally get back to me today stating what the charges are going to be but in an "around XXX amount")

Now, Jose has been updated and informed every. single. step of the way through this whole thing. This whole accusation is far from fair (and very childish)- especially when he knows I was literally waiting for the refund/charges from shippers to clear so I can refund him. It was that black and white but maybe the stress of being a new father has him stressed out on all levels. He's threatened me, then replied back after saying sorry he's just stressed and scared. Well, Jose, this whole thing definitely shows what kind of person you are.


This morning I sent this to chalkboard:

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Shippers to me:

Booking
7:54 AM (1 hour ago)
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Hello Waldo,
Total fee is Around $1000



Thank you,
1stClassShipping
 
PLEASE NOTE: Our hours of operation are Mon. through Fri. from 8 AM CST to 5 PM CST.  All emails will be responded to in the order that they are received.  Any emails received after hours will be responded to on the next business day.  We encourage your patience throughout the shipment process so we can assist you to the best of our ability.



They will be refunding my CC today which will around $200 if they are charging $1000 in fees.

Once I see the exact dollar amount, I'll know the exact amount to refund. This should be today.

As far as the refund to you, I need this to be agreed on:

The terms:

- Agree to the refund amount stated (Full refund minus the cancelled shipping charges + handling fees)

- Remove all of your false accusations, negative comments and trust and posts.

- Leave a trust rating saying that we both came to an agreement and that you did receive your refund



Can you agree to the above so we can finish this?





so chalk will be refunded or ?
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I think you got me wrong, IF YOUR STORY IS A MADE-UP YOU ARE HARSHER THAN THAT SCAMMER! if man if... i dont easily believe people in this platform, you might got scammed and i feel sorry for you but first get me true please
You are correct. I had noticed that and was going to edit my post however I got busy. I apologize for the mistake. Rest assured I haven't lied on a single point here and I fully understand your concern, as I also do not trust anyone anywhere again after this.
Thank you very much for your time and interest on this case.

Why not use a escrow with such a huge amount like 16 bitcoin
So,you are a brave man right?
No need to be,not here and not now
I'm really so sorry for this big lost.

I am literally speechless on your post. Please take 25 seconds to read and think a little bit about it
1) I write many times here I now know not to trust anyone anywhere and I will always protect myself through every means possible.
2) I already acknowledge that and do not need further punishment about this
3) I am going through a huge burden as it is already
4) You are blaming the victim. Not only that but you go to the lengths of insulting me saying "I think I am a brave guy" and so on. Might as well blame poles for nazi extermination planes. Insult and taunt them some more while you are at it, too.
5)
If you want to spam for your signature campaign saying I should have used escrow or blaming me for being stolen please do this somewhere else. Waldo refused to escrow and he had some reputation. I already know not to trust anyone now and I am carrying too much of a burden as it is.

I am sorry if I am being harsh with you, Mark. I really am. Perhaps luckly you have never been through such thing, but let me tell you that victims usually feel very bad and blame themselves. By doing so, they do not report the perpetrator, allowing him to harm more people. Your behavior motivates people not to report abuse acts, because they would be to blame in a way or another. A rape victim would be blamed, for example, for dressing "slutty".
He who reports acts of abuse is brave, indeed, as you mentioned. But for the opposite reason.

What I see here is something appalling. A lot of scams happen and victim blaming numbers only grow. The more this happens, the more bitcoin is prejudiced and badly seen in the eyes of the masses.
May one day you don't go through the same.
Thank you very much for your interest on this case.

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June 30, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
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I might as well join into this pity party for Jose. I haven't read through his false claims but skimmed a couple of things:
Not a single letter I wrote is false. I have proof for everything I write and say. I dismiss anyone's pity, yours specially.

You're claiming I never shipped them? That's funny because while your pallet was sitting at the Port of Long Beach, CA on the way to Brazil - and the shippers contacted you directly for your import #s and licenses, YOU were the one who could not provide them to the shippers, which lead to you cancelling the shipment. But that's my fault, somehow, right?  Roll Eyes
You say I write false claims, but you are the one doing so, first words you write here. First, I wrote it never left the US:
He never provided me a tracking number because the pallet never left the US.
You know that and acknowledges it on your own post.
I also wrote I believe there is a possibility it never even left your facility, but I could not prove that:
I doubt, but cannot prove, that it even left his deposit.
I apologize, to the people who read this, not to you, for saying assumptions and things I cannot prove. I will not commit the same mistake again. Though, I reassure I left it clear that I wasn't sure and it was not an affirmation.

Someone said, "he's never held 16BTC before" - I've held over XXXXBTC of customers money (and my own) over the last 3 years as being a reseller, GBO and colocation - you people honestly feel I would risk my reputation over this small order? He may feel a few thousand dollars is a ton of money (which it can be to some) but when I'm placing wholesale orders from Bitmain for pallets on pallets to resell this stuff is peanuts. What's a bit frustrating is I've been in the community for years and years and this 'customer' is brand new buying gear for the first time and everyone literally takes his side.
1) That person, I and anyone else cannot find that you actually deal with claimed 1000s of bitcoin. Perhaps by skinning deeply into your history and posts this could be found, but not easily. His possible mistake is understandable.
2) It doesn't matter if you deal with 1 btc or allegedly thousands of bitcoin. You have proved not to be competent to deal with 16, let alone thousands.
3) You have several unsatisfied customers. Here, I gather some in a very short time of research:
http://prntscr.com/7n77ck
http://prntscr.com/7n7857
http://prntscr.com/7n78qq
http://prntscr.com/7n7fzk
http://prntscr.com/7n7gl6
http://prntscr.com/7n7gtx
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374352.0
http://prntscr.com/7n7hnu
You have a long history of being unreliable and changing terms to best suit you.

Those were gathered in the last hour since my last post here and now, also counting all the time I took to write other things and do other things in real life.
It doesn't matter whether a member or person is brand new or legendary. Everyone deserves the same amount of respect and justice.

You are right. This is a lot of money to me. It's a fortune to many other people and nothing to a few other people. To each his own. Perhaps there would be a tiny shred of hope that you understand if you go through the same thing, but translating to your "size": 1 million dollar instead of $4k. Let me know how you would feel then.
And, once again, does not matter if it is $1m or $1k client. They both deserve justice and respect.

You would feel surprised many people recognizing the situation and being presented with proof, evidences and facts still ignored me, acknowledged everything but refused to take a few seconds to help me or even blamed me for it, so no, "everybody is not literally taking my side". Far from it.

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June 30, 2015, 06:30:06 PM
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sounds like you made an irresponsible decision to begin with OP. your about to be a dad and you use the last of your money gambling on bitcoin miners. the person just said that they will refund you. take your money stop gambling and go be a father
I think this is the third post like that. And Waldo claims "everyone is literally taking my side". Look at what I have to put up with.
I am not gambling! Where did you come up with that? My father-in-law has some solar energy and I would mine. Please tell me where in the world do you see that as "gambling". Do you think posts like this are useful? Do you think this is the first one I have to put up with? What is the problem with you people bashing on victims? It happens in real life but it's much more latent over here. What is worst is that scams happen much more frequently here, so you guys should be worried on remedying the situation by bashing perpetrators and not the victims.

For the last time, I already know not to trust anyone so please kindly stop repeating this. It's sad there is a huge dis-motivational abuse report in this community, much more so than anywhere I have ever seen.
Luckly I am not weak minded, but you people keep pulling stuff like this for signature campaign caring nothing about victims and people will give up on continuing with their reports, until it happens to you, too.
Give some thought before communicating. You are on the internet but you are still communicating to people and adults. Have some thought and count to ten before saying "stop gambling and go be a dad". Nobody has to deal with this shit after being stalled for 40 days on something that should take a few seconds and if does indeed happen will happen in an unfair scale.
Unreal seriously.

I have been trying to "simply taking my money back" for weeks now. That's the main point of this thread.

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June 30, 2015, 07:30:18 PM
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Here's the TLDR version of the whole situation:

- customer wants to purchase s3s and have them shipped to brazil
- customer requests false invoice to avoid him paying taxes and input fees
I wasn't bringing that up, but since you did - if I wanted to accept false invoice, you were willing to do it

- takes us (me) a few weeks to find a new shipper as the original one gave a bogus quote
You acknowledge this took weeks, making me wait and lose mining revenue while difficulty changes

- i include free switches, free replacement s3 fans with shipment along with his custom invoice
- pallet is shipped and at the port of long beach, ca
No, it really hasn't "shipped". It never left your country, even your state. Not even your neighborhood! You are 9 miles away from the port. Please stop trying to make it seem it has been sent to me and I rejected or was unable to get it.

- shippers contact him directly to obtain his import #s and licenses (or whatever is required for Brazil import)
- customer is unable to provide the required paperwork and/or import license required for him receiving this pallet
1) This wouldn't be required if we did it through conventional method firstly agreed before payment
2) YOU changed this
3) Even if I had license it is not permitted to import used electronic through port
4) I sent you countless emails and private messages requesting this would be cancelled before sending to company, because I thought it would not work. You replied many things from "it will not be a big of problem dont worry" to "it has already been shipped" even though it wasn't actually shipped weeks later.

- I ask what he would like to do, continue to wait or return the shipment
After putting units for sale again on your website and forum, while I was still suggesting other methods and looking to get this deal finished: http://prntscr.com/7n83yr

- customer says: return
- i tell shippers return
- pallet is returned to me about a week later
- i ask shipping company for a refund of the difference for the shipping (they already charged my CC in full prior to pickup)
- i explain to customer (your refund will be in full minus the cancelled charges for shipping and handling fees) once I get the refund from the shipping company
Now, this is the most interesting part:
1) Will you calculate it in USD or Bitcoin? When bitcoin price dropped I disregard price drop. Will you disregard price up and refund me in BTC, like we dealt with? After all, BTC is the currency we dealt, not USD, Iraq dinar, Brazilian real or anything else. Considering how you are I think I already know the answer.
2) 15% restocking fee is absurd. You are selling each miner at 18.66% more markup than you sold me. And they are being sold. You are profiting more, and got to keep the boxes and everything to send to other clients. You are winning, I am losing as I already said many times
3) Shipping amount. To be deducted. Only to me. $1000 for 9 miles trip. This is laughable if not tragic, I am sorry. I am not even commenting on this.
So let me try to get the gist of it: 16.64122524 btc sent. I lose mining revenue. You lose nothing and sell products at a markup due to s3 rising in price during this time.
((3900*0.85)-1000)/261.99 = 8.836215. 53% what I paid. Are you seriously prompting this to me? I want you to answer this question here in public because I am sure everyone will understand this is a lunatic proposal and naturally only you do not see it.

- i ask the shippers everyday where is my refund to which they give me the runaround - (this is literally about a 2 week ordeal of me going back and forth with the shipping company)
This is between you and them. Give me back my money and deal with them. I have nothing to do with that.

- they literally get back to me today stating what the charges are going to be but in an "around XXX amount")

Now, Jose has been updated and informed every. single. step of the way through this whole thing. This whole accusation is far from fair (and very childish)- especially when he knows I was literally waiting for the refund/charges from shippers to clear so I can refund him. It was that black and white but maybe the stress of being a new father has him stressed out on all levels. He's threatened me, then replied back after saying sorry he's just stressed and scared. Well, Jose, this whole thing definitely shows what kind of person you are.
It's unfair because not everything is being provided because 1) That would take too much time 2) It would make the thread nearly unreadable and refrain users from participating. Or else it would be more fair. More fair because people will see what I had to put up with dealing with you, not unfair in the way you think. I am creating a website where everything will be available. I can post anything requested here by you or anyone, and if everyone wants I can put everything here. I don't hide anything. I am not stressed nor am I childish. Stop insulting me, again. It is you who are irresponsible, incompetent and rude, but I will not go the same way you do and will stop here. I threatened you on civil law and justice, not anything you are trying to make it seem such as violence.

This morning I sent this to chalkboard:

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Shippers to me:

Booking
7:54 AM (1 hour ago)
to me
Hello Waldo,
Total fee is Around $1000



Thank you,
1stClassShipping
 
PLEASE NOTE: Our hours of operation are Mon. through Fri. from 8 AM CST to 5 PM CST.  All emails will be responded to in the order that they are received.  Any emails received after hours will be responded to on the next business day.  We encourage your patience throughout the shipment process so we can assist you to the best of our ability.



They will be refunding my CC today which will around $200 if they are charging $1000 in fees.

Once I see the exact dollar amount, I'll know the exact amount to refund. This should be today.

As far as the refund to you, I need this to be agreed on:

The terms:

- Agree to the refund amount stated (Full refund minus the cancelled shipping charges + handling fees)

- Remove all of your false accusations, negative comments and trust and posts.

- Leave a trust rating saying that we both came to an agreement and that you did receive your refund



Can you agree to the above so we can finish this?


I have no false accusation done against you nor any man. This 8 btc agreement is absurd and "shows what kind of person you are".
I offered you 16.5 btc + btc price drop disregard + mining revenue lost disregard + 0.16 discount. I didn't have to offer nothing, but I did anyway. You lost that chance and I want my 16.64122524 btc now. "Consider yourself lucky I am only charging you that, and not an appropriate amount". http://prntscr.com/7n8juj
I will not stop until I have my money back. You had weeks and a very complacent and cathering customer to take care of this problem. This is now over and the longer you take, the further this whole situation reaches. I will be relentless and not complacent like usual scam victims are.

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I wouldn't trust Mellgibs if I were you OP. It sure looks like Waldo's account. He hasn't written anything for months and suddenly woke up today to give you a piece of advice.

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This is the email I got from Waldo: http://prntscr.com/7n8tsr This is his quote:

Shippers to me:

Booking
7:54 AM (1 hour ago)
to me
Hello Waldo,
Total fee is Around $1000



Thank you,
1stClassShipping
 
PLEASE NOTE: Our hours of operation are Mon. through Fri. from 8 AM CST to 5 PM CST.  All emails will be responded to in the order that they are received.  Any emails received after hours will be responded to on the next business day.  We encourage your patience throughout the shipment process so we can assist you to the best of our ability.
Notice anything? Look at 1stClassShipping and ClassShipping. The email was sent first. Could it be a forged text that was later corrected when posting here and could not be corrected on email? Why would copy paste messages be different?

Waldo, I am not doing any private communication with you any longer. It is at your best interest to make everything public, if you wanna play honest.
Amount due: 16.64122524 btc
BTC address for btc to be sent: 139roMCo5qrHjXGb7wUQoNcTMw3j3HrwgV
Let us stop wasting time on this, do the right thing and refund me. You will also benefit from the free propaganda of having a case rightfully solved.
This is "peanuts for you", after all.

so chalk will be refunded or ?

Of course he will be. Again, we (I) was waiting the refund from the shipping company so I could then refund chalkboard. Still waiting for him to agree on the refund as I posted the email.
Only because I released the case publicly. You went from ignoring back to stalling/making up absurd values

After my last posts there should be no doubt who is being greedy and dishonest. People, I ask you to be the judge and help who you believe is right. I provided enough evidence and facts.
Thank you very much for your attention, opinion and interest! Bitcoin will prevail and should be treated with more justice than fiat!

I wouldn't trust Mellgibs if I were you OP. It sure looks like Waldo's account. He hasn't written anything for months and suddenly woke up today to give you a piece of advice.
Thank you for your input and opinion.
I don't know if he is, he may be, but I certainly expect fake/shill accounts.
This is the only account I will ever login and I even allow admins to release information if I log on other account.

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June 30, 2015, 09:11:28 PM
Last edit: June 30, 2015, 09:23:03 PM by kebabman
#24

So just to be clear for everyone reading, you are rejecting your refund, right?

You paid me $3800 in BTC.

You are now requesting $4376.32 back in BTC?

You purchased miners listed in $USD and paid in Bitcoin. Your refund will be in $USD paid in bitcoin.

Jose, I do not control the market of bitcoin. And you know that if bitcoin was $190 you would be requesting $3800 be refunded in BTC (20BTC) instead of your 16.64BTC. The more I'm thinking about it, this looks like a money grab by you. If this money is truly for your daughter the BTC amount shouldn't even matter as you would immediately exchange for fiat at the current rate to provide for her, no? So why do you feel entitled to $4,300?

And you are also saying I should pay the cancelled shippers fee because you were unable to provide the necessary paperwork to receive your order?

This is becoming silly. Do you prefer the drama and attention more than resolving this?

Your $2800 is ready (I'm just going to eat the fees from shippers). Whether it's today, tomorrow or in a week you will be getting $2800 in BTC.

I'm done going back and forth as everything is here for everyone to see (like that matters). Your refund is ready.

Also, don't listen or trust any other username other than mine because that's what I'm doing regarding yours.

Wait if you're "eating the shippers fee" why is he only getting back $2800 of his $3800? Is that your $1000 "restocking" fee? Strange how it matches exactly the supposed $1000 fee from "1stClassShipping", or is it "ClassShipping"? Why don't you post the email with headers and/or a website/phone contact information from this shipper so we can verify you're not just making up this ludicrously high fee ($1000 fee from a $1200 shipping payment for a shipment that never left the US? Good one Cheesy)


Also, we all know you just held the BTC and didn't transfer it to USD, so you are for sure making a (BTC) profit from this pitiful refund offer, so stop trying to act all high and mighty about that, if B TC was worth $190 you know full well you'd be paying him back 16.6BTC not 20+. From my experiences with you you're the king of making up terms that suit you, "oh no im sorry the system is set up so you can only get coupons for CoiningSolutions" meanwhile he pockets the BTC from Bitmain....give people coupons then say "oops wrong coupon now you owe me money!", when the customer says no I'll cancel it's the whole same BS story about it being "shipped already" blah blah blah.  Roll Eyes

You're basically just not a very nice guy, "Waldo", and from what I can see it's standard practice for you to screw every last cent from your customers in bogus fees/shipping/insertlameexcusehere that you can....which leads me to believe that CoiningSolutions isn't doing very well, so here's some business advice, that isn't going to change any time soon while you keep treating peope like crap so maybe trying being less of a jerk to your customers!

Good luck Chalkboard, I hope he gives your BTC back, but from having the misfortune of dealing with him in the past I can tell you he's the sort of business owner that is always right so I doubt he'll back down and give you more than your 53% refund, the way he sees it you're just a stupid pain-in-the-ass customer, he;s the restuarant owner that screams at customers for not liking bad food, I doubt that will ever change it's just the way the guy is.
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June 30, 2015, 09:20:59 PM
Last edit: June 30, 2015, 09:47:55 PM by chalkboard17
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So just to be clear for everyone reading, you are rejecting your refund, right?
You are rejecting to refund the actual value. You are making up values based on absurd and apparently forged document.

You paid me $3800 in BTC.

You are now requesting $4376.32 back in BTC?

You purchased miners listed in $USD and paid in Bitcoin. Your refund will be in $USD paid in bitcoin.

Jose, I do not control the market of bitcoin. And you know that if bitcoin was $190 you would be requesting $3800 be refunded in BTC (20BTC) instead of your 16.64BTC. The more I'm thinking about it, this looks like a money grab by you. If this money is truly for your daughter the BTC amount shouldn't even matter as you would immediately exchange for fiat at the current rate to provide for her, no? So why do you feel entitled to $4,300?
Son. I am not like you.
http://prntscr.com/7n9mtl email date
http://prntscr.com/7n9r22
I never said I would immediately exchange it for fiat nor that we were desperate for it, although we indeed are in need so to say. I will receive fair value instead of quick and unfair value.

And you are also saying I should pay the cancelled shippers fee because you were unable to provide the necessary paperwork to receive your order?
Because you changed shipment method from normal to naval port weeks after payment. Because you sent it anyway and told me it was already shipped when it truly wasn't yet.

This is becoming silly. Do you prefer the drama and attention more than resolving this?
Your $1000 9 miles trip is the only silly thing.

Your $2800 is ready (I'm just going to eat the fees from shippers). Whether it's today, tomorrow or in a week you will be getting $2800 in BTC.
I'm done going back and forth as everything is here for everyone to see (like that matters). Your refund is ready.
After weeks expecting for something in silence my "refund" is offered 1 day after I expose everything.

The more you write, the more everyone else seems you, not me, are the money grabber. Do you seriously believe that even if I accept this money people will forget that? Do you think I will be able to convince all of them to remove negative feedback after such "deal"? I will most likely manage to convince most of them but at least one will refuse after such ending.

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Not gonna comment on the contents of this thread because i didnt read every word, only skimmed most of it.

Just wanted to chime in about my experience dealing with waldohoover.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230391.0

The main thing to look at is the last couple pages. To sum it up, I noticed some discrepancies and he fixed them and gave a little extra while at it. Yes this is dealing in pocket change, but i have had a positive experience with him. As far as how the main deal went, i read everything and knew what i was in for. Unfortunately the market and difficulty led to (probably) a permanent stop to mining, but hey thats bitcoin.

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This is a complex matter difficult to fully understand. So to make it short and to confirm whether I'm understanding this correctly:
  • chalkboard17 made an order from waldohoover and paid BTC16.6 for it
  • chalkboard17 didn't know there were import laws in Brazil (despite being Brazilian) and waldohoover forgot to mention this requirement from the buyer (despite his experience in exporting to several countries).
  • Because of this the shipping had to be cancelled. In my opinion both were responsible for this, but this is arguable.
  • Money was lost because of this, especially a huge fee charged by the shipping company for cancellation.
  • waldohoover failed to give a full cancellation/refund policy (correct me if I'm wrong here) so both parties are trying to invent one now that better suits their own interests. The main aspects to decide are who pays the fees and whether the refund should be made in BTC directly or in USD value.

If this is true then what I think should be made to reach an agreement is:
  • Either party must show irrefutable proof that the other person was the only responsible for the cancellation. I doubt any will achieve that but if someone does then the other party must be responsible for it. If no one can prove this then probably the lost should be shared equally.
  • waldohoover must prove what exactly was lost. He can't just say "they charged me $1,000" and expect everyone to believe that. Do show full emails, CC charges and other documents.
  • Regarding how the refund should be given it doesn't make sense to return the USD value instead of the same number of BTC unless those BTC were sold to pay the shipping company. Were they waldohoover? The part that was not spent by waldohoover for this deal should be returned in BTC. What's your justification to keep those earnings for yourself waldohoover?

If chalkboard17 and waldohoover don't try to negotiate and keep blaming 100% to the other party it will be impossible to reach an agreement. Definitely there was no "16.64122524 BTC scam" here (at least not for that value) so even the title is misleading, but there's definitely an abuse. The terms proposed by waldohoover for the "refund" are completely absurd.

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- im not sure how this is the senders fault. (example: If I ordered from NewEgg and when it's in route I find out I can't accept it for whatever reason and have to return it- Why would NewEgg have to pay anything because of this? I would be completely at fault.)
One of the reasons is that there was no refund policy, you should have mentioned one. The buyer should have known it and he didn't. It's hard to imagine it could have cost him $1,000 (plus converting to USD and back to BTC!?) so in my opinion you can't charge that to him alone.

- correct, a ridiculous amount
Which you have to prove and you haven't. You can't charge that amount without proof.

I am not trying to 100% anything as far as right and wrong. I'm trying to come to a resolution.
It doesn't look that way at all when you try to impose your conditions and ask OP to accept them without any change or to reject the refund completely. But I'm glad to read you're now open to come to a resolution. I hope you reach an amicable agreement.

In my opinion both of you must lose this time and learn from your own mistakes. No one can ask the other to be responsible for everything.

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Waldo I want my money back too!

You are claiming to run a business, the onus is on you to show you refunded me, but you haven't and cant because you never paid me.

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A while back I went in on a KNC Titan group by done by Waldo.  It's been a while since this group buy and I don't know what he's done since then.

But in my experiences, Waldo is trustworthy.  He kept us fairly updated on the status of the Titans, even with all the delays.  When he finally received them he got them set up and starting mining.  The weekly payments were always on time.  He told us the Titans were mining on cex.io.  When I received my payments I did some basic blockchain crawling and saw that the coins were indeed from cex.io and were only 1 hop away from being minted.  It was obvious that he was actually mining and not just another ponzi scheme scammer.

The Titan deal ended up being a terrible deal, but at no fault of Waldo's (in fact, he did all he could to help us recover as much BTC as possible).  He kept the miners running as well as he could, and even managed to sell the Titans for some decent money.  He said we would receive our fair share of the money from the sale of the Titans.  I did the math to figure out what my fair share would have been, and about a day later Waldo sent me nearly that exact amount.  His payout matched my independent math, so I knew he was being fair.

A bit later I was in a Teamspeak server and someone was posting pictures of their old Titan mining setup.  It wasn't until after looking at the pictures I noticed the user's name was WHDHJ.  After that I realized it was actually Waldo.  It was kind of amazing that he coincidentally proved again that had actually mined and did what he said he would with everyone's money.

So I have no doubts about Waldo's legitimacy in the past.  He had done several successful group buys before mine.  He did my group buy as expected.  For these reasons, I won't be removing my positive reputation.  My experiences with him have all been positive.

From a few minutes skimming this thread, it seems like chalkboard17 simply got himself in over his head.  He wasn't able to provide proper documentation to receive the shipment, and now is expecting the seller to pay him back more than he originally paid.  Waldo made it clear to us that his bookkeeping was done in USD, and that's how you would be refunded.  Expecting different is just silly.

I also have concerns about this because chalkboard17 seems to be relying on emotions rather than objective and logical reasoning.  I don't care if you have a baby and a wife.  Posting a picture of a baby isn't going to alter my opinion.  I base my opinion on verifiable facts, and chalkboard17 just seems to have trouble providing consistent facts.

Regardless, I hope this situation can get worked out and both sides can be satisfied with the outcome.  Waldo is being communicative, so I see no reason to get out the pitchforks.
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First of all I would like to thank the Bitcoin community for taking the time to participate in this discussion. I am happily surprised.

You paid me $3800 in BTC.
Another lie. I paid $3900 due to another s3 + killawatt added. I would like you that are reading this thread to kindly pay attention on how many times waldo claimed I give false/exaggerated claims and how many times he actually proved that and how many times I proved he lied in this thread alone. Once I prove him wrong with hard evidence and pictures, he ignores it and acts as if nothing has ever been said or done.

As kebabman has already said, Waldo claims he will "eat the shipping fees" and charge me $1100. He first mentioned a 15% restocking fee: http://prntscr.com/7ndc86 however 15% of $3900 is $585. As EcuaMobi already stated it is unethical and unlawful to charge restocking fee without prior notice of purchase of such fee should such event happen: http://consumerwiki.dca.ca.gov/wiki/index.php/Refund_Policies
Waldo is ignoring (typical) and trying to bury evidence that he very likely forged communication with shipping company as I already pointed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279.msg11757357#msg11757357 and kebabman again reminded on his post. This alone burns Waldo completely. I suspect he will provide a photoshop image or contact shipping company for help.

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#32

    This is a complex matter difficult to fully understand. So to make it short and to confirm whether I'm understanding this correctly:
    • chalkboard17 made an order from waldohoover and paid BTC16.6 for it
    • chalkboard17 didn't know there were import laws in Brazil (despite being Brazilian) and waldohoover forgot to mention this requirement from the buyer (despite his experience in exporting to several countries).
    • Because of this the shipping had to be cancelled. In my opinion both were responsible for this, but this is arguable.
    • Money was lost because of this, especially a huge fee charged by the shipping company for cancellation.
    • waldohoover failed to give a full cancellation/refund policy (correct me if I'm wrong here) so both parties are trying to invent one now that better suits their own interests. The main aspects to decide are who pays the fees and whether the refund should be made in BTC directly or in USD value.

    1) Correct, and Waldo denied escrow: http://prntscr.com/7nd76m http://prntscr.com/7nd9jy http://prntscr.com/7nd9oe http://prntscr.com/7nd9vu
    2) We had a deal on normal, conventional shipping method where it is delivered to my house. I have experience with that and never imported through any other way. Weeks after payment waldo changed shipping method and assured me it should go smoothly. I expressed doubt and insecurity from the start about this.
    http://prntscr.com/7ndjvg http://prntscr.com/7ndlji http://prntscr.com/7ndma6
    Used electronic cannot be imported into Brazil: http://prntscr.com/7ndmmo http://web.ita.doc.gov/ITI/itiHome.nsf/9b2cb14bda00318585256cc40068ca69/b9a18209e78c98c385256d03008312cd?OpenDocument
    3) I told him countless times brazilian government is the main to blame, not him nor me. He blames me. http://prntscr.com/7ndn5a
    4) Without proof. Wasting time discussing this $1000 fee clearly for a 9 miles trip that never left neighborhood, state and country made up and even forged is simply ridiculous and I wouldn't expect this from anyone else. I am shocked he is trying to pull such thing.
    5) I want my money. Period. Not a single cent more as compensation or anything. I was willing to work and help Waldo but the last straw was a very rude email sent by him, after all the stalling, ignoring etc. http://prntscr.com/7mwivh

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    If this is true then what I think should be made to reach an agreement is:
    • Either party must show irrefutable proof that the other person was the only responsible for the cancellation. I doubt any will achieve that but if someone does then the other party must be responsible for it. If no one can prove this then probably the lost should be shared equally.
    Waldo was already selling the s3 while I was still looking for other options. http://prntscr.com/7ndrw3 3 days before I asked it to be returned. Look at date.

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    • waldohoover must prove what exactly was lost. He can't just say "they charged me $1,000" and expect everyone to believe that. Do show full emails, CC charges and other documents.
    • Regarding how the refund should be given it doesn't make sense to return the USD value instead of the same number of BTC unless those BTC were sold to pay the shipping company. Were they waldohoover? The part that was not spent by waldohoover for this deal should be returned in BTC. What's your justification to keep those earnings for yourself waldohoover?

    If chalkboard17 and waldohoover don't try to negotiate and keep blaming 100% to the other party it will be impossible to reach an agreement. Definitely there was no "16.64122524 BTC scam" here (at least not for that value) so even the title is misleading, but there's definitely an abuse. The terms proposed by waldohoover for the "refund" are completely absurd.
    As I proved before I offered btc price drop compensation (when btc price dropped below 6th may price, that would equate to roughly $200), mining revenue disregard, 0.16 btc discount, good feedback, apologies. Waldo replied with made up fees and absurd prices. He is the one who wants more and more, and not finish this deal.[/list]

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    July 01, 2015, 03:09:58 AM
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    Waldo is also ignoring claims from other people that have had problems with him and manifested here.

    From a few minutes skimming this thread, it seems like chalkboard17 simply got himself in over his head.  He wasn't able to provide proper documentation to receive the shipment, and now is expecting the seller to pay him back more than he originally paid.  Waldo made it clear to us that his bookkeeping was done in USD, and that's how you would be refunded.  Expecting different is just silly.

    I also have concerns about this because chalkboard17 seems to be relying on emotions rather than objective and logical reasoning.  I don't care if you have a baby and a wife.  Posting a picture of a baby isn't going to alter my opinion.  I base my opinion on verifiable facts, and chalkboard17 just seems to have trouble providing consistent facts.

    Regardless, I hope this situation can get worked out and both sides can be satisfied with the outcome.  Waldo is being communicative, so I see no reason to get out the pitchforks.
    I am sorry, but are we on the same thread? As for the "proper documentation missing so it's entirely my fault" lie fabricated by Waldo, I already replied on my last and previous post.
    I am not expecting to receive a cent more. He is trying to pay much less than what I paid.
    I posted countless pictures and hard evidence. Waldo barely provided any, and when he does it's text based. One of them seems to be forged documentation.
    I already offered, and proved, many discounts to him

    I ask once again, are we on the same thread? Everything that you said applies to him, not to me!

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    - he knew about them because before the order he asked to lower the invoice to avoid import taxes/duties
    - im not sure how this is the senders fault. (example: If I ordered from NewEgg and when it's in route I find out I can't accept it for whatever reason and have to return it- Why would NewEgg have to pay anything because of this? I would be completely at fault.)
    Now that I'm reading this again.. Maybe he found out how expensive his import taxes would be and then came up with this reply.

    I never knew Brazil is not allowed to import electronics... because I'm pretty sure they do allow it, maybe expensive but pretty sure you can buy items in Brazil.
    Don't try to change words. Obviously Brazil imports electronics. Government hasn't made that forbidden... yet. I said and proved it cannot import USED electronic. That would pass on regular shipping but not naval port. If I had to know about that so did you. In fact, specially you. But I am not going to blame you for that, don't worry. That's what you do.
    Yes, NewEgg would refund you. I know you don't believe some companies treat their customers nicely, but they have to in order to stay in business. Besides, stop trying to make it a "chalkboard gave it up and cancelled it, I did nothing wrong" case. I already proved, again and again, that's not the case. Will I really have to repeat all that AGAIN?
    Lowering invoice has nothing to do with importing forbidden material. In fact that crushes your argument of "he gave it up for taxes" since I would pay lower taxes. And for the second time you want to bring this up. If I asked for it, you did it so we are both accountable for. See? It's not hard to see when both or none of us are guilty of something!
    I can send an email to the brazilian receiving partner provided by waldo/1stClassShipping (or would it be ClassShipping only without 1st? guess we will never know)
    Me trying to cancel the deal due to taxes is just another of Waldo's completely baseless offenses. Do I have to answer that? Really? I already proved used electronics cannot be imported and that brazilian shipper partner expressed that they don't do such work. All you want to do is say "he knew about it and did it anyway, it's his fault, he didn't have documentations and I did everything right!" which I already proved wrong with hard evidence time and time again.

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    Once again, I will provide a deal:
    Waldo says he will "eat the shipping fees" as he wrote here
    Waldo says he works with 15% restocking fee, even though s3 raised in price and he can use box etc again to send to other clients
    That is absurd and with all modesty I have all evidence needed to win this case if I stick to the end, however I am tired of this and I am going to assume so are you. Also, one of us is willing to work out a fair deal.
    Send me 15 btc then. That's a 1.64122524 difference or $430.32. I am sure you can get this *$1000 9 mile shipping fee* decreased and even if you don't, half of it is $500 so that is $69.68 short.

    Once you do that I will confirm you did it here.
    I will lock this thread.
    I will kindly send one message to everyone who left you bad feedback saying the situation has been solved. If they feel like not removing you solve it with them.
    I will delete all other posts in other threads
    I can delete all my posts here too, however I think it would be best for you if this doesn't simply disappear. Also, I cannot delete the entire thread I believe since I am not a moderator.
    You go on your way and I will go on mine and we never cross again

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    July 01, 2015, 05:33:49 AM
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    Once again, I will provide a deal:
    Waldo says he will "eat the shipping fees" as he wrote here
    Waldo says he works with 15% restocking fee, even though s3 raised in price and he can use box etc again to send to other clients
    That is absurd and with all modesty I have all evidence needed to win this case if I stick to the end, however I am tired of this and I am going to assume so are you. Also, one of us is willing to work out a fair deal.
    Send me 15 btc then. That's a 1.64122524 difference or $430.32. I am sure you can get this *$1000 9 mile shipping fee* decreased and even if you don't, half of it is $500 so that is $69.68 short.

    Once you do that I will confirm you did it here.
    I will lock this thread.
    I will kindly send one message to everyone who left you bad feedback saying the situation has been solved. If they feel like not removing you solve it with them.
    I will delete all other posts in other threads
    I can delete all my posts here too, however I think it would be best for you if this doesn't simply disappear. Also, I cannot delete the entire thread I believe since I am not a moderator.
    You go on your way and I will go on mine and we never cross again

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    Don't trust me? Ok, we use escrow (Yes, I learned my lesson)
    Thats not really fair since you paid $3800 at time and are asking for $3900+ in return. Fair would be each of you taking $500 of the debt of the $1000 shipping fee (if both had fault in the shipping issue) and thus meaning you would receive $3300 of BTC back. At the current rate of $260/BTC that would be 12.697 BTC. For someone "scammed" you sure are asking for him to simply just say "fuck it I'm keeping all of it" considering your "fair" offer is more then the worth USD of BTC sent at the time of trade which is not reasonable at all.

    As a seller he converts the BTC you send to USD immediately and you know that you are buying based in USD not BTC. Thus, you are being refunded USD in whatever form you like, sorry the exchange rate went against you.

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    July 01, 2015, 05:45:24 AM
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    As a seller he converts the BTC you send to USD immediately and you know that you are buying based in USD not BTC. Thus, you are being refunded USD in whatever form you like, sorry the exchange rate went against you.
    Many sellers will actually keep a good amount of their sales in terms of bitcoin. Even overstock keeps 10% of their sales in bitcoin.

    I can say that when I sell something for bitcoin, I will almost always keep it entirely in bitcoin, although sometimes I will sell a small amount of such bitcoin in order to cover things like shipping, although even this is pretty rare because I have sufficient fiat money to pay for this.

    Miners earn money in terms of bitcoin, and as a result should be priced in terms of bitcoin.

    The only thing that should possibly be priced in terms of fiat is the shipping cost. If the seller can prove he actually sold the bitcoin to pay for the shipping then the exchange rate at the time of payment should be used, otherwise the current exchange rate should be used to deduct whatever portion of the shipping cost is decided should be used.

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    #38

    Having now read up on this thread, I have decided to restore waldohoover's trust that I gave him for a previous deal I had with him.

    in my opinion, chalkboard17 should have been more diligent getting information on Brazilian tax and import laws before ordering.

    The fees incurred for returning the shipment should not be on waldohoover's cap only.

    As much sympathy I have for chalkboard17, and even though waldohoover may have used another tone in dealing with the situation, I can't see where he is responsible for making up chalkboard17's loss caused by the varying BTC exchange rate.

    The price was in USD, paid in BTC, so logically, a refund should be in USD too, conevrted into BTC at the time the refund is issued. that's common practice.

    It is regrettable that you chalboard17 is now in dire straits because of this deal gone wrong, but I can only give the advice not to invest money into any cryptoventure that you can not afford to lose.

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    July 01, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
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    #39

    Having now read up on this thread, I have decided to restore waldohoover's trust that I gave him for a previous deal I had with him.

    in my opinion, chalkboard17 should have been more diligent getting information on Brazilian tax and import laws before ordering.

    The fees incurred for returning the shipment should not be on waldohoover's cap only.

    As much sympathy I have for chalkboard17, and even though waldohoover may have used another tone in dealing with the situation, I can't see where he is responsible for making up chalkboard17's loss caused by the varying BTC exchange rate.

    The price was in USD, paid in BTC, so logically, a refund should be in USD too, conevrted into BTC at the time the refund is issued. that's common practice.

    It is regrettable that you chalboard17 is now in dire straits because of this deal gone wrong, but I can only give the advice not to invest money into any cryptoventure that you can not afford to lose.


    Please read my posts.
    1) If I had to know about it, so did waldohoover. You say I had to know about it, many say he had to know about it. Other will say it's nobody's or both's fault.
    2) Everything is happening because waldohoover changed shipping method later. Had we sticked to the plan this wouldn't happen.
    3) I have never wanted everything to be on waldohoover. He was the one who wanted to do that to me. This is all over the thread, repeatedly.
    4) He is still ignoring all the proved claims that the allegedly $1000 fee for a 9 mile trip could be forged. On the other hand, I am replying everything he and other people are posting, providing evidence.

    Bitcoindistributor,
    1) I paid 16.65 btc not $3800
    2) If converted to USD at the time that is $3900 not $3800
    3) When BTC price dropped I disregard it, even though waldo says I am trying to money grab and wouldn't want btc if btc price dropped, I already provided evidence that this is not true.
    4) Look at quickseller's latest post, he's a bitcoin believer and keeps a lot of bitcoin
    5) He said himself he would "eat the shipping fees alone" and that his restocking fee is 15%. Those would be the only fees incurred, but he gave one of them up later, publicly.
    6) If this *1000$ for a 9 mile trip* is real, I am nearly paying half of it, only $63 short. This price, if real, is absurd and he can surely get the shipper to decrease it later.
    7) Bitcoin dropped in the last hours. Will I change the 15 btc value? No, I will keep it even if bitcoin went to $150 as I did when it was at $220 and I offered to deal in btc (making me lose $200 at the time early june).

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    July 01, 2015, 03:21:49 PM
    Last edit: July 01, 2015, 03:37:24 PM by chalkboard17
    #40

    I changed thread's title, stopped spreading information and seek for more help, removed irrelevant information and other things you can check on first post. I wanna get this finished, but in a fair and just outcome. I am not desperate for this money and will unfortunately keep on fighting until the end such no fair outcome for both parties arrives.
    Not to brag, but with all evidence I have, and even more that Waldo has given for posting here and burning himself, I could extend this and seek much more. I don't want that.

    My 15 btc offer still stands, for now. I believe most users will find it much more than fair to Waldo given everything that happened.
    I will reassure I didn't have to offer anything. He is the seller. He messed up. He lied. He changed terms. He never apologized for anything. He never offered anything fair. He treated me badly. I could go on with this list for a long time.
    I already offered other fair deal to him. Still, I am offering this out of good faith to have this finished and both of us can go their own separated ways.

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    July 01, 2015, 11:49:42 PM
    #41

    Is their a tracking number showing these items went to the port in LA?
    If so as their should be i am sure the 1k for cancellation is about right international freight is a pain in a million ways and costly.

    Which I still say that chalkboard should of understood his countries import laws before buying.

    I know a few Brazilians that have gotten used bitcoin miners delivered to them.

    On a side note i am not a shill of any one i am my self and that it.

    You bringing your child into this issue is very sketchy to me. As it is an attempt to win on emotions and not with the facts.

    Fact you entered into an agreement to buy miners

    Fact you canceled after the fact because the import taxes and regulations in your country.

    Not yet proven-Shipped to port of LA.

    It seems the issue here is you bought something the seller made good faith to send it. But you wanted to return it since you were gonna have to pay taxes.

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    #42

    Every single question and claim you just wrote has already been answered before. I already brought them up and explained. Then again replied to Waldo. Then again replied to you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279.msg11754186#msg11754186 Every single one of them explained well and with evidences. Every single of them proved wrong.
    You ignoring what I say, repeating lies and being extremely apathetic just like Waldo makes me believe you are him. You are not only replicating his lies, but also are creating new ones.


    Is their a tracking number showing these items went to the port in LA?
    1) No tracking number, nothing concrete provided by Waldo. Still ignoring a very possible forged email that has been mentioned by me repeatedly and kebabman.
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    If so as their should be i am sure the 1k for cancellation is about right international freight is a pain in a million ways and costly.
    2) It never left the United States. It never left California. It never left South California. It never left Waldo's neighborhood. This has never became an "international returned freight". Even if it ever did leave Waldo's facility (which I am not saying it didn't happen, since I cannot prove) it never left the United States. Long beach port is 9 miles away from Waldo's facility. Waldo is trying to create a lie in which he sent the miners, they traveled all the way to my country, arrived here successfully and when I was about to receive them I "returned them because I didn't want to pay taxes"
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    Which I still say that chalkboard should of understood his countries import laws before buying.
    3) And so should Waldo. Waldo changed shipment method after deal was closed and weeks later after I paid. Instead of conventional shipping to door he chose sea port which is very bureoucratic and full of laws in this country. He also told me it would go without problem. I was unsure all the time about this. Waldo refused to cancel the deal before it was sent to shipper saying "it was already shipped" even though it wouldn't actually be shipped weeks later

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    I know a few Brazilians that have gotten used bitcoin miners delivered to them.
    4) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279.msg11759915#msg11759915 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279.msg11759829#msg11759829 Sigh.
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    On a side note i am not a shill of any one i am my self and that it.
    5) Sure you are not. You talk like Waldo. You make up stuff like Waldo. You replicate Waldo's lies. You defend Waldo when it's clear he's an horrible entrepreneur. Only he and extremely apathetic people would agree with him. I don't even doubt Waldo doesn't notice what he does to me and other "clients". He cannot feel anything for them.

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    You bringing your child into this issue is very sketchy to me. As it is an attempt to win on emotions and not with the facts.
    6) This has been posted in my first post. Once. I already removed it. You, Waldo and waldo defendants are the only that keep bringing this up. Again, and again.

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    Fact you entered into an agreement to buy miners

    Fact you canceled after the fact because the import taxes and regulations in your country.
    7) You have got to be kidding me now. I will not even reply to this. Read my previous posts. I know what you are doing, Waldo. You are attempting to get me nervous by claiming extremely absurd things, over and over, and lose my temper here. You failed and the only thing you will succeed on doing is making people see further how a person you are.
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    Not yet proven-Shipped to port of LA.

    It seems the issue here is you bought something the seller made good faith to send it. But you wanted to return it since you were gonna have to pay taxes.
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    July 02, 2015, 01:17:05 AM
    #43

    You previously here have posted in may of last year you understood the import situation to brazil. Also you have stated you wouldn't do a trade without escrow why did you break this rule you made for yourself in may?

    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11278827#msg11278827
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11279770#msg11279770
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11277371#msg11277371


    So Bitmain also screwed you?
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1063402.msg11413222#msg11413222

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    #44

    You previously here have posted in may of last year you understood the import situation to brazil. Also you have stated you wouldn't do a trade without escrow why did you break this rule you made for yourself in may?

    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11278827#msg11278827
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11279770#msg11279770
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046949.msg11277371#msg11277371


    So Bitmain also screwed you?
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1063402.msg11413222#msg11413222


    What does this have to do with anything? Are you this desperate and dumb to bring anything up, even completely innocuous and out of context?
    Bitmain sent me a somewhat faulty hardware. It's hashing fine so I ignored it and kept it without hassles. They sent it through conventional method, not sea port. They added more price to the actual price, and on top of the already very high tax I paid even further tax. I paid more tax than what I paid for the miner. I could have returned, but such thought hasn't even crossed my mind, as it didn't now and proved.
    This "why didn't you escrow?" being brought up again. For the sixth or seventh time. Ok, really creative. I thought you were reputable and you denied escrow, that's why I accepted it. I am really sorry for being stolen, dude. Please forgive me.
    You are the one who likes to look for account activity. Let's see yours. Inactive since beggining april and active again now 3 months later jumping on this thread. Cool. I will let people judge better.

    I am done cathering and being complacent with you, Waldo.
    "Fact" that I "returned miners" "to avoid taxes"? Ok, that's it. You will ignore me on your main account and when I post about it you will say "I have no patient", even if weeks passes. I am not going through this again. If you have the time to make up completely stupid and absurd lies on shill accounts, you'd have time to defend yourself too.
    You are an horrible person and entrepreneur. You are completely irresponsible and try to transfer your entire responsibility to other people's shoulders. You lie time and time again. I am baffled on how you still have business running still. You taking money from them to make them survive due to your horrible skills will not last very long.

    I have given you, AGAIN, a fair deal. Not the deal you offered ($1100 for 9 mile shipping + 15% restocking fee + usd calc because btc price changed even though you didn't sell btc). You ignored and went on to create more lies on other accounts. Ok, I am calling the deal off midnight california time if remain unsent.
    There are 3 things this taught me
    1) how not to be a businessman
    2) Be honest, it will be advantageous to myself in the long run
    3) never take kindly on people like you

    This nightmare has been going for 2 months.
    I count on Bitcointalk community's help to please take a look at this case. I am a honest person and Waldo is going around unpunished being completely rude, cold and extremely greedy. I am far from being the first person he harms and this has got to be stopped. It's clear he was supposed to send my btc and apologize, yet he never apologized once (and I did when I shouldn't, many times) and wants to send a much lower value on baseless claims.

    I am editing my first post again to truly reflect the situation again. I had even asked people not to negative you because I don't want to kick who already is down and your account is already red. But me being nice to you is seen by you as weakness and you get greedy once more. I will once again contact further people (bitmain, your clients etc), groups (reddit etc) related to you personally, coiningsolutions and sgxprint. I will go after justice with the local authority and justice system as well. I will not allow you to do other people what you did to me!

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    July 02, 2015, 01:55:23 AM
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    I hope Waldo makes this right for you mate. I think that your offer of 15BTC is a fair trade-off to resolve this matter.
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    Your point is? I already proved that was a senseless post when you first made it. Now you are quoting yourself when I already proved it makes no sense. Everybody else is seeing it, but you cannot. I don't even disbelieve you can't. I'd like you to explain how "clearing up a lot" my experience with bitmain has to do with anything at all. Enlighten me please.

    You keep on repeating I asked for a lower invoice. If you think that is bad, why did you agree to it? Why did you do it? WHY DID YOU LOWER INVOICE?
    You lose too much time making up stuff and lying, Waldo. You lose too much time creating fake accounts and having lunatic talks to yourself thinking you are fooling everyone while you are not fooling a single soul. You underestimate everyone's intellect because you think you are high and mighty. You lose too much time looking for completely senseless things to attack me.
    Hadn't you lost so much time with these things you would have the time to answer your clients properly instead of robbing them, like the numerous claims there are in this thread. All completely unanswered.
    You cannot be a businessman, Waldo. You are an horrible person and you treat every customer as if they are a waste of your time and a pain in the ass. You think you are doing people a favor dealing a voluntary trade with you. You told me that yourself in private in the very beggining of our deal.


    For the fourth or fifth time, as I already proved with evidence.
    1) I did not cancel this deal
    2) I did not cancel this deal "because I wanted to avoid taxes"
    3) I did not cancel this deal "because I wanted to avoid taxes" after goods arrived in my country and were sent back to you
    4) You changed shipment method after payment was done
    5) You changed shipment mehtod after payment was done and everything was agreed upon
    6) Your method was not allowed to be done according to the law and was going to be 100% verified. As I already explained you government was going to seize the package and not even send it back to you. I already proved this here and to you numerous times before this. This was said by me, by every person I asked and the BRAZILIAN PARTNER ARRANGED BY YOU WHEN I CALLED THEM
    7) You are still ignoring this, for days: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103279.msg11757357#msg11757357
    Waldohoover lied and made this $1000 price up. This has been brought up numerous times by me and kebabman and he is still stalling on this until he can get the shipping company to help him lie or provide a fake photoshop evidence
    8 ) You cancelled the deal and started to sell the products to other people

    Package traveled for 9 miles. Not sea. Not interncontinental. 9 miles. You changed shipping terms weeks after everything was right to best suit you without consulting the law and you made the deal impossible. You cancelled the deal.
    Every single point I bring up and reply I do so with evidence, repeatedly. You keep stalling and holding my money. Everytime you lie you lose points with everyone, specially your future customers. Everytime you completely treat me as garbage you lose customers. The list goes on.
    Why do you not do as I suggest and so did quickseller? You believe you have to send me at least 10 btc, right? Why do you not send this part that yourself believe is fair and we keep on dealing on the rest? Why are you making my money hostage?
    Waldohoover / DidHeJust / CoiningSolutions / SGX Pring give me back my money you stole!

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    July 02, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
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    Waldohoover told me he was going to "eat the shipper's fee completely" and refund me: http://prntscr.com/7o0kzj
    Waldohoover later says I have to pay ALL shipping fee: http://prntscr.com/7o0lga

    I offered a "fair deal" (much more so to Waldo than to me) weeks before making this whole thing public. Waldo was not satisfied.
    I offered a "fair deal" (much more fair to Waldo than the previous one!)  2 days ago. You ignored it and went on to bring up completely baseless claims.
    You should have taken any of them.

    I want everyone to see this. Waldo all the time claims I am the one pushing him to pay the entire bill. That's a lie and absurd. I never suggested this and  he is the only one trying to do so. He just did again now. Check my second picture on this post! Waldo wants me to completely pay his made up shipping fee, not willing to share a single cent, for a failed method he brought up after deal was agreed and he cancelled
    Once again for those who arent understanding, conventional method would be to my door and I know they wouldn't check whether an used electronic was used or not. I didn't even know about this law because I imported electronic all the time. Through port as Waldo changed later it would be 100% checked and SEIZED. Not even returned. This package never left California.

    The 15 btc deal I was going to pay half of this made up shipping (this $1000 shipping fee for a 9 mile trip is a lie and a joke + waldo changed shipment method to one who wouldnt work + waldo said it was already shipped when i wanted to cancel due to this stupid sending method (it would only be shipped WEEKS later) + waldo started selling these way before 11th june as I already proved). I didn't have to pay or offer anything, but I did anyway because time after time I have to be the only human being in this whole nightmare.
    I am the one who has always had to offer deals
    I am the one who has to ask for replies
    I am the only one who gets ignored
    I am the only who apologizes or thanks
    I am the only who doesn't come up with lies or made up stuff, but hard evidence instead

    I'll do the favor of still accept the 15 btc only if sent today (btc price dropped even more! good for you!) to end this ordeal and waste of time to me and everyone who is following out of altruism (thank you once again, everyone!) 139roMCo5qrHjXGb7wUQoNcTMw3j3HrwgV
    I will lose a lot of money and time, but if this is not sorted I will make sure to be altruist like the people who participated are and will make sure no man passes through what I am passing. In my entire life I have never ever had to deal with something so absurd as this. I will be relentless (like I am being and I forewarned you many times and you disbelieve and now are paying the price to check things actually happening) and not cease for a single week for my entire life to pursue and publish this whole thing to everything related to you.

    People who are reading this, is my 15 btc more than fair or not? (Waldo will come with his shill accounts, but ok, I want your opinion too!)

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    July 02, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
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    Dude just post an address for him to refund you. If he pays you a less amount that you think is fair then you can continue to hash out your differences.

    I am telling you right now that whatever happens the solution is not going to be something that you both are 100% happy about. There are too many unanswered questions that were not worked out prior to entering into an agreement with him.

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    Dude just post an address for him to refund you. If he pays you a less amount that you think is fair then you can continue to hash out your differences.

    I am telling you right now that whatever happens the solution is not going to be something that you both are 100% happy about. There are too many unanswered questions that were not worked out prior to entering into an agreement with him.
    You and I offered him that already. I don't think he will accept that. He will say "10 btc or nothing. If I send that is going to be my refund and I will not send anything else more and chalkboard has to end everything"
    Any person or business would do AT LEAST that, but well, yeah...


    Waldo, let's end this already, man. Send me the 15 btc so I can delete everything, tell everyone this has been sorted and ask them to remove bad feedback and we never waste time on each other again. The 15 btc is enough to pay half the shipping price, and btc dropped by $9 since I offered the deal. Naturally I would keep even if it dropped to $10, as I already proved I would before. If you are not doing that at least send me the amount you believe is fair for now. This is "peanuts" for you after all and I cannot believe you can be so blind not to see this is the right thing, to say the very least...

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    This is by far not peanuts to me. I am just trying to let you know that you will probably not get everything you want and the same is true for him. If he is offering to send you money to refund you at least partially then let him refund you. If he gives you an amount you don't think is fair then continue to try to work things out with him.

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    This is by far not peanuts to me. I am just trying to let you know that you will probably not get everything you want and the same is true for him. If he is offering to send you money to refund you at least partially then let him refund you. If he gives you an amount you don't think is fair then continue to try to work things out with him.
    Of course I didn't mean you. Why would you think that? You are being altruist and helping us to reach a fair outcome for both of us.
    I meant Waldo and what he said http://prntscr.com/7o11df

    I do not want everything, or I would be asking for 16.65 btc. I never asked that.
    I also agree with you, but I don't think he will. I think he will do as I told you and wrote here "I already refunded so no need to refund anything else. He should have thought about that before accepting"  Undecided

    And if the only thing against me is proof this was in Long Beach - no problem.
    I already said many times, I never affirmed this wasn't in long beach. I said I believe there is a chance it never left your deposit but I could not prove it. What I repeat is that long beach port to your deposit is 9 miles "trip".

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    July 02, 2015, 07:21:20 PM
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    TO get 10btc back is better then nothing. After you get the 10 back you can still fight for the other 6.5 BTC. atleast you could have part of the lost coin back.
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    TO get 10btc back is better then nothing. After you get the 10 back you can still fight for the other 6.5 BTC. atleast you could have part of the lost coin back.
    But I never denied it. In fact that is what I want.
    I proposed it.
    QS proposed it, I agreed
    QS proposed again, I agreed
    You are proposing it, I agree

    My deal is 15 btc but ofc receiving 10 btc and keep this until I get the 5 btc left of my deal or something else is better than him running with my entire money.
    Restressing though that the 10 btc is not what I want, but a value waldo agrees is fair and can send at least that for now. I already know the answer, but, waldo can you send the 10 btc now then and we keep working what is left then?

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    July 02, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
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    I don't see why he can't man up and pay you the 15BTC now..none of this take 10BTC malarkey and nag and nag and maybe if you're lucky he'll cough up the rest (but prolly not). Prove us wrong Waldo and do the right thing, until then my neg feedback stays on you.
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    Didn't you see the big red warning that you were receiving a message from an imposter if you were expecting a message from a veteran member?

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    Didn't you see the big red warning that you were receiving a message from an imposter if you were expecting a message from a veteran member?

    I was on my mobile and the notification came via email. I know it's my fault. I just can't believe someone pulled this shit.
    When I get notification emails from the forum of a newbie PM'ing me, the warning still shows up. It is also interesting that the warning is not in that message that you quoted. Is the warning in the PM in your inbox?

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    Didn't you see the big red warning that you were receiving a message from an imposter if you were expecting a message from a veteran member?

    I was on my mobile and the notification came via email. I know it's my fault. I just can't believe someone pulled this shit.
    When I get notification emails from the forum of a newbie PM'ing me, the warning still shows up. It is also interesting that the warning is not in that message that you quoted. Is the warning in the PM in your inbox?

    Yes it's listed in my email but I must have overlooked it when I was scrolling down to the message. And yes, this is at the top of the PM: !!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

    I know. I know. Please do not kick me while I'm down at this point.
    I was just curious because you did not quote that part. I thought that for some reason the warning did not come through.

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    You broke out some old coin (50 BTC) from 2014 to send that payment. At least you have 39.99999774 BTC to try again.
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    That sucks man...so many scammers on these boards.
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    Can we please end this already? I am sure everyone agrees my 15 btc is more than fair to Waldo given everything presented.

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    Where's Waldo?  Tongue C'mon pay the man already.
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    And this is how Waldo / Coiningsolutions / SGXPrint works and worked with me for 2 months. Nothing but stalling and no progress. Days turn into weeks and weeks turn into months and you look back and zero progress has been achieved. And if you say something about that he will claim you are impatient.

    Waldo give me back my 15 btc before I change my mind about giving you this 1.65 btc for nothing. Everybody has already followed and read everything and you are the only person who is apathetic enough to see things how they really are. I am not repeating myself over and over here, all information is already out in the open. What is left for you to give my money back?

    By the way, everyone, I told you Waldo would not send me 10 btc first and keep on dealing the rest. He ignored it just like I said he would. And you kept saying "I should accept it" 3 times when all the time I said I wanted it since I believe he might run anytime now (10 btc now and 5 btc later until he finally agrees with what is right! Not 10 btc final deal!)

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    One more day without my money. I am still foolish having to wait Waldo make up his mind (or stopping to lie and run altogether) while I offer him deals that benefit him when I didn't need to offer anything + do not contact law enforcement + share everything on more places + removed personal information from him and asked people not to do anything to him yet. My patience is running out and when it does I will not stop for any "deal" but all my money I sent + anything I spend trying to recover it + indemnity + small claims court + making sure your businesses' and personal reputation are permanently ruined.

    Where is my 10 btc that you agree is fair? Send me it already so we can move on what is left.
    Give me back my money already!

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    One more day without my money. I am still foolish having to wait Waldo make up his mind (or stopping to lie and run altogether) while I offer him deals that benefit him when I didn't need to offer anything + do not contact law enforcement + share everything on more places + removed personal information from him and asked people not to do anything to him yet. My patience is running out and when it does I will not stop for any "deal" but all my money I sent + anything I spend trying to recover it + indemnity + small claims court + making sure your businesses' and personal reputation are permanently ruined.

    Where is my 10 btc that you agree is fair? Send me it already so we can move on what is left.
    Give me back my money already!

    Look's like Waldos last move was to pretend he fell for a scam.. You should post all his info and keep it up, I doubt you'll ever see that money again no matter what he promises..

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    One more day without my money. I am still foolish having to wait Waldo make up his mind (or stopping to lie and run altogether) while I offer him deals that benefit him when I didn't need to offer anything + do not contact law enforcement + share everything on more places + removed personal information from him and asked people not to do anything to him yet. My patience is running out and when it does I will not stop for any "deal" but all my money I sent + anything I spend trying to recover it + indemnity + small claims court + making sure your businesses' and personal reputation are permanently ruined.

    Where is my 10 btc that you agree is fair? Send me it already so we can move on what is left.
    Give me back my money already!

    Look's like Waldos last move was to pretend he fell for a scam.. You should post all his info and keep it up, I doubt you'll ever see that money again no matter what he promises..
    It is possible that he is on vacation/away for the weekend as it is a holiday weekend when many people are away.

    I am not sure if he really pretended to fall for the impersonator scam or not, however there are some discrepancies.

    I am willing to reserve judgement until sometime after the weekend to see how the situation proceeds.

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    July 05, 2015, 06:09:56 PM
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    One more day without my money. I am still foolish having to wait Waldo make up his mind (or stopping to lie and run altogether) while I offer him deals that benefit him when I didn't need to offer anything + do not contact law enforcement + share everything on more places + removed personal information from him and asked people not to do anything to him yet. My patience is running out and when it does I will not stop for any "deal" but all my money I sent + anything I spend trying to recover it + indemnity + small claims court + making sure your businesses' and personal reputation are permanently ruined.

    Where is my 10 btc that you agree is fair? Send me it already so we can move on what is left.
    Give me back my money already!

    Look's like Waldos last move was to pretend he fell for a scam.. You should post all his info and keep it up, I doubt you'll ever see that money again no matter what he promises..
    You are right. I contacted Quickseller and dystopian the second I saw that "scam" post. Here is some more proof: http://prntscr.com/7p4e0j http://prntscr.com/7p4ehr http://prntscr.com/7p4k6u
    It's clear, as I wrote, that Waldo was trying to make it seem that he was willing to send money back and at the same time he wanted me to accuse him of staging this thing, so people would see me as a monster and him as victim.
    He faked the quote + is a 3 yrs old veteran. He sent BTC to himself and created the account himself. I had no doubt when I created this thread that Waldo wasn't willing to send any btc at all, but I was surprised on how the community helped me, waldo even started posting here (just lies) and I regained some hope. That was my mistake. I shouldn't have stopped for a second on everything. I was nice enough to remove information and do other things. Now this is all over.

    This thread now goes to another level. The Bitcoin community will show the world we can policy ourselves and we don't take theft kindly. This thread goes from trying to arrange a deal to catch this thief. To catch a rich thief that has robbed many people (many posted in this thread), regardless of being much much more poorer than him.
    I will contact every single person, business or group minimally related to his physical person, businesses and anything else. I will make sure he loses ten times as much as he robbed from me. The Bitcoin community will see this thief behind bars, and it will be everyone's victory! I will not fault or cease, and I count on you all to help me and the community as a whole!

    For those who are still confused or don't wanna follow everything, here's the very tl,dr:
    1) Waldo and I get on a deal for miners
    2) Waldo denies escrow. I accept deal because he has a website, reputation etc and I thought he wouldn't throw all that away. I will never trust anyone anymore
    3) Weeks later Waldo changes shipment method to sea port. This would make the shipment be seized by government due to its nature and was not allowed
    4) Days after Waldo did this, I told him I wanted to cancel everything
    5) Waldo lies it cannot be cancelled because it has already been shipped. It would only be shipped 3 weeks and half later
    6) The shipping partner he arranged in Brazil forbids this trade and tells it to be stopped. They say they don't wanna handle the risk and it will be 100% seized. Again, because of Waldo's changed shipment method. Were it conventional method like it was agreed before and it wouldn't be seized!
    7) Waldo starts to sell miners to other people
    8 ) Waldo blames me of cancelling the deal
    9) 4 days later he forces me to cancel the deal
    10) Waldo says he will refund me less 15% restocking fee (the miners rised in price and he was selling at a 14% mark up from my price, he was making a profit thanks to this deal being cancelled and wanted more) + btc price difference if btc rised (if btc dropped then no) + shipping fee (he made up that shipper charged him $1100 for a 9 mile trip (his facilty -> long beach port))
    11) Waldo stalls me for one month
    12) Waldo starts to ignore me
    13) I open this thread
    14) Waldo does what he's always done. Lie, lie and more lie. This time in public. He forges documents and makes a lot of ridiculous things up. I refute every lie with proof and the community realizes how ridiculous, dumb and thief he is.
    15) I offer a deal that would benefit him and he ignores it
    16) Waldo ignores everyone else that posted here he screwed + ignores every accusation even though I reply to all of them + still does not present proof of claimed $1100 invoice (it was proved he faked it)

    Every point stated above has been presented with proof all over the thread

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    Here is his personal cellphone: +1 714 9326179
    Here is his business address: 13321 Garden Grove Blvd Suite K, Garden Grove, California 92843
    He owns many business, two of them are coiningsolutions and sgxprint (a printing company) both of them are located above
    There must be a way to find information linked/registered to his cellphone

    He lives in South California
    The Bitcoin community has helped me a lot. I thank you all for this. I am willing to go the next step. Besides willing to spend much more money than I was robbed to catch this thief and my money back, I am also willing to reward people who help me after I have my money returned. You are right, I am even willing to receive nothing if you/many people helped A LOT. I just want justice.
    If this guy is jailed or something happens to him or I have my 16.65 btc returned I will make sure to reward you nicely.
    Help Bitcoin community have one less thief around + intimidate other thieves when they see what we are capable of doing + earn BTC altogether!

    EVERY information is VERY precious and rewarded. IP, address, name, family, photos, job, ANYTHING at all. If you bought from him you must have some information even if it comes from the mailing box. If you live nearby his business location you can help a lot!
    We will be unstoppable, and working aside us will be the police. I will ally any force necessary to bring you down. This has gone beyong recovering my money. This is to recover from the many slaps in the face you have given me and making sure you NEVER make another man go through what I am going.
    This is just the beginning.

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    It is possible that he is on vacation/away for the weekend as it is a holiday weekend when many people are away.

    I am not sure if he really pretended to fall for the impersonator scam or not, however there are some discrepancies.

    I am willing to reserve judgement until sometime after the weekend to see how the situation proceeds.
    I understand you, but meanwhile this is happening for two months. Not a three or four days. Two months. This thread itself has 1 week and absolutely nothing progressed. Meanwhile, bitcoin price fluctuates even further. BTC is raising now. If btc drops waldo wants to deal in btc and I would still accept the same btc as I have twice proved even though waldo accused me of something he does. If btc rises however waldo will want to calculate it in usd.

    I wish I could not work on weekends, be a rich guy in a rich country like Waldo but unfortunately I cannot, specially when I am being robbed, lied to and treated like nothing

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    Although some of his business are based in Garden Grove, he might live in Anaheim (6 mile difference)
    Reverse Phone Lookup Information Phone Number: 714-932-6179 Phone Type: Cell Phone Phone Company: NEW CINGULAR WIRELESS PCS, LLC Country: USA - United States City: ANAHEIM State: California - CA

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    I sent a private message to waldohoover right now and instantly sent him a cellphone sms to notify him of that message, even though he claimed he gets email notifications from them on his cellphone. I sent an ashaming offer for me, of 13.75 btc to get this thing finished already. I am giving him 3 btc for NOTHING. That will only last until 5 pm today california time so he has plenty of time to verify that. Besides the very low value the terms  of the deal were also very nice to him. I am sure he will not pay, because he does not want to pay anything. Let's see what kind of lie he will come up this time. I sent a copy of the message to Quickseller and I will post it here when he does not send and deal ends.

    If this is not accept, I will make no more deals ever to him. Not tomorrow, not next year, never. I will not stop for anything lower than my full 16.65 btc + indemnity + everything I spend on being refunded.
    I ask the bitcoin community to please not abandon me and help me like you were doing in the beggining. Me and my family are very grateful. Thank you!
    The good will triumph in the end

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    Heheh that's awesome!

    WTF Waldo, time to pay up  Roll Eyes
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    I gave a fifth deadline to Waldo, which he ignored. I gave another more and he ignored once again.
    Waldo's full personal information has been achieved due to endless efforts by me and the bitcoin community, specially to a single member. I don't know if I can say this member's nickname in public. I'd like to thank everyone, specially this member.
    Waldo refers to me by my name, so I will do that from now on.

    Garden Grove and specially Anaheim Police Department have been contacted, and two officers including a high degree one is aware of the whole situation. I am in talk to american lawyers researching who can help me the most + best cost-benefit ratio.
    I will release Ryan's entire personal information in 24 hours from now if he does not send me my money back. He has many other business, mostly bitcoin related. He also owned a bitcoin shuffler (which he must have used his skills' to shuffle the btc he got "scammed" by himself). That will make sure nobody else gets stolen and lied to by him.
    The fight goes on. Bitcoin, its' community and the just side will prevail.

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    July 09, 2015, 01:24:12 AM
    #74

    I gave a fifth deadline to Waldo, which he ignored. I gave another more and he ignored once again.
    Waldo's full personal information has been achieved due to endless efforts by me and the bitcoin community, specially to a single member. I don't know if I can say this member's nickname in public. I'd like to thank everyone, specially this member.
    Waldo refers to me by my name, so I will do that from now on.

    Garden Grove and specially Anaheim Police Department have been contacted, and two officers including a high degree one is aware of the whole situation. I am in talk to american lawyers researching who can help me the most + best cost-benefit ratio.
    I will release Ryan's entire personal information in 24 hours from now if he does not send me my money back. He has many other business, mostly bitcoin related. He also owned a bitcoin shuffler (which he must have used his skills' to shuffle the btc he got "scammed" by himself). That will make sure nobody else gets stolen and lied to by him.
    The fight goes on. Bitcoin, its' community and the just side will prevail.

    It seems this has truly became a scam and steal with all its letters and not just an abuse as it seemed before. That scam Waldohoover claims to have been victim of seems to be an excuse to earn more time and make people feel sorry for him. I really don't think he could have fallen for something like that with that huge red newbie warning that appears on every PM and considering he's so slow to send any money to anyone, even when he has to.
    The fact he disappeared just after that makes me think he now decided to keep the whole BTC16+ since it's worth much more than the reputation he lost here. I hope you can get you money back chalkboard17. Do keep us updated.

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    #75

    I gave a fifth deadline to Waldo, which he ignored. I gave another more and he ignored once again.
    Waldo's full personal information has been achieved due to endless efforts by me and the bitcoin community, specially to a single member. I don't know if I can say this member's nickname in public. I'd like to thank everyone, specially this member.
    Waldo refers to me by my name, so I will do that from now on.

    Garden Grove and specially Anaheim Police Department have been contacted, and two officers including a high degree one is aware of the whole situation. I am in talk to american lawyers researching who can help me the most + best cost-benefit ratio.
    I will release Ryan's entire personal information in 24 hours from now if he does not send me my money back. He has many other business, mostly bitcoin related. He also owned a bitcoin shuffler (which he must have used his skills' to shuffle the btc he got "scammed" by himself). That will make sure nobody else gets stolen and lied to by him.
    The fight goes on. Bitcoin, its' community and the just side will prevail.

    It seems this has truly became a scam and steal with all its letters and not just an abuse as it seemed before. That scam Waldohoover claims to have been victim of seems to be an excuse to earn more time and make people feel sorry for him. I really don't think he could have fallen for something like that with that huge red newbie warning that appears on every PM and considering he's so slow to send any money to anyone, even when he has to.
    The fact he disappeared just after that makes me think he now decided to keep the whole BTC16+ since it's worth much more than the reputation he lost here. I hope you can get you money back chalkboard17. Do keep us updated.

    Other inconsistencies in his "story" about accidentally sending funds to the address "sent" by the fake newbie account is the fact that timestamp on the PM is one second after the last time the fake account was last active on the forum (this could be some kind of SMF glitch, however I would doubt it), as well as the fact that Waldohoover left out the newbie warning when posting the PM he supposedly received, even though such warning is received both when reading PMs in your inbox and when looking at text of PMs in your email. 

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    Time for you to dox his ass and let the cholos handle him  Shocked
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    As expected, 7th deadline was not fulfilled.
    I am being very nice to a person who is being very bad to me this entire time, and I will be once more. My patience has gone beyond limits, and is soon to be finished.

    Instead of releasing his entire information at once, I will now release that his name is Ryan Gatchalian.
    More information in a few hours, tomorrow, if Ryan does not approach me to refund or actually attempt to solve this. I have everything related to him, including photos, home address, business address, friends, dob, etc etc...

    Ryan, don't get close and blow it. Don't ruin your personal and business life permanently. Don't be blissful and underestimate me once more I warn you.

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    July 12, 2015, 10:33:54 PM
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    Looks like Ryan hasn't been active on here since July 3rd...guess that is the last we will see of his pathetic ass on here  Roll Eyes I do hope you get ALL of your coins back from him soon, especially with the uptick in BTC price.
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    Looks like Ryan hasn't been active on here since July 3rd...guess that is the last we will see of his pathetic ass on here  Roll Eyes I do hope you get ALL of your coins back from him soon, especially with the uptick in BTC price.
    Looking like this may actually be the case.  Just speculation, but he also looked to be liquidating all of his remaining S3's, and PSU's from his site the last few months which doesn't bode well for him in this case. Meaning looks more likely chalkboard17 may have been scammed.

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    I want my BTC to back Ryan!

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    So looks like this has been completely abandoned?  Undecided
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    Any update chalkboard17?
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    Not sure what happened, but if he is taking the legal route then it may mean he's no longer allowed to discuss it here. Either that or Ryan has decided to pay him back.

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    #84

    Not sure what happened, but if he is taking the legal route then it may mean he's no longer allowed to discuss it here. Either that or Ryan has decided to pay him back.


    Doubtful that he was paid back, wouldn't Mr waldo want to get his rep on the forums and for his business back? I know I would. It seems 105% scam at this point. Sadly it seems that is the way of 90% of the crypto business owners. Sucks.



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    Not sure what happened, but if he is taking the legal route then it may mean he's no longer allowed to discuss it here. Either that or Ryan has decided to pay him back.


    Doubtful that he was paid back, wouldn't Mr waldo want to get his rep on the forums and for his business back? I know I would. It seems 105% scam at this point. Sadly it seems that is the way of 90% of the crypto business owners. Sucks.

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    Have you posted his full dox? There are many Btctalk members in California.

    Also, have you filed a police report in his county? At least get his name in the system
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    So is this over yet or not? Can I put away the popcorn?
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    HOLY ^&#!

    I started reading this thread from the beginning out of boredom and I was surprised why everybody gave him bad rep even though he offered a full refund - shipping charges, which seems fair in my opinion.

    Shipping companies generally rip people off all the time especially with cancelled shipments so $1000 is not surprising. So full USD refund - $1000 is fair. I was surprised why everybody gave him bad rep until I kept reading.

    Then I read how he sent the 10 BTC to the scammer. Honestly I don't know what to believe.

    Did he on purpose decide to sell to chalkboard17 because he knew he was in Brazil from his previous posts and knew in advance the shipment would get rejected.

    And then he knew the shipping company would take a fee and then chalkboard17 would want the full refund not including the fee? Then he knew he would start this scam accusation thread and pretend to send it to a scammer?

    I am surprised because that 50 BTC seems like a cold storage account and he said he sent the BTC from his phone. But if you are reading PM from your cell phone, generally you are not home, and if you are not home you don't have your cold storage on you. So it seems like he was home and could of used his computer instead. I don't think you can transfer funds from a paper cold storage wallet with a cell phone, can you?

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    HOLY ^&#!

    I started reading this thread from the beginning out of boredom and I was surprised why everybody gave him bad rep even though he offered a full refund - shipping charges, which seems fair in my opinion.

    Shipping companies generally rip people off all the time especially with cancelled shipments so $1000 is not surprising. So full USD refund - $1000 is fair. I was surprised why everybody gave him bad rep until I kept reading.

    Then I read how he sent the 10 BTC to the scammer. Honestly I don't know what to believe.

    Did he on purpose decide to sell to chalkboard17 because he knew he was in Brazil from his previous posts and knew in advance the shipment would get rejected.

    And then he knew the shipping company would take a fee and then chalkboard17 would want the full refund not including the fee? Then he knew he would start this scam accusation thread and pretend to send it to a scammer?

    I am surprised because that 50 BTC seems like a cold storage account and he said he sent the BTC from his phone. But if you are reading PM from your cell phone, generally you are not home, and if you are not home you don't have your cold storage on you. So it seems like he was home and could of used his computer instead. I don't think you can transfer funds from a paper cold storage wallet with a cell phone, can you?

    EPIC THREAD!
    If you are using like blockchain.info you can add a cold address from your phone easier then from your computer most of the time.
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    ..hrmm. As did I but it seems he never cleared this up like he said he would.

    If you send, I will post there in the same instant and explain it is all settled + send pm once to everyone explaining it is settled and ask for negative rep to be removed + close thread + delete all posts I did about you
    1EfXSoomfeX9sxUcD5KLfyqDB22Su3tEyw same address I sent you payment from. 5 pm. Not sending this will make it crystal clear to everyone you just want to keep all the money and are lying. Naturally this private message will also be used against you.
    Have a nice day.

    His first refund: https://blockchain.info/tx/9ac33134c94b7155f41d8f21406aea9bd73f633b94895734c33b163528ac22a2

    His second refund to which we 50/50 split the shipping fees: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6bd567ff731273663b0e23db9d534cb41e3fde311e56305ffa65eac757d4d99

    Settled.

    Looks like he never PMd anyone, didn't explain this was settled, didn't close the thread and didn't delete a single post.

    I still needed to post this so it's on the record. If anyone is still even reading this who left negative trust will you please remove it and maybe not jump the gun to take sides with a new(er) member and to instantly leave negative for a reseller who has been here for years with plenty of positive trust in my history.

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    If you send, I will post there in the same instant and explain it is all settled + send pm once to everyone explaining it is settled and ask for negative rep to be removed + close thread + delete all posts I did about you
    1EfXSoomfeX9sxUcD5KLfyqDB22Su3tEyw same address I sent you payment from. 5 pm. Not sending this will make it crystal clear to everyone you just want to keep all the money and are lying. Naturally this private message will also be used against you.
    Have a nice day.

    His first refund: https://blockchain.info/tx/9ac33134c94b7155f41d8f21406aea9bd73f633b94895734c33b163528ac22a2

    His second refund to which we 50/50 split the shipping fees: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6bd567ff731273663b0e23db9d534cb41e3fde311e56305ffa65eac757d4d99

    Settled.

    Looks like he never PMd anyone, didn't explain this was settled, didn't close the thread and didn't delete a single post.

    I still needed to post this so it's on the record. If anyone is still even reading this who left negative trust will you please remove it and maybe not jump the gun to take sides with a new(er) member and to instantly leave negative for a reseller who has been here for years with plenty of positive trust in my history.

    Peace.  Cool

    I've verified the address 1EfX... is the same waldohoover sent the original payment from (as shown on OP) so I've removed my feedback. I'm glad this is solved. It would still help if chalkboard17 signs a message with the address 1LGpnsY37LjehreTfAp1PiR7H7e6s8ufos to clear any doubts. I hope waldohoover will post soon to confirm everything is settled now.

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    This is not solved. We didn't settle anything. I didn't agree to anything. Ryan has sent the minimum amount, only right after he knew I had his full information and nothing was ever agreed that this dispute would be solved if he had done so. He still hasn't provided any single proof that the shipping company is charging $1000+ for 9 mile trip and not to mention all his other lies. This will only finish when I receive my full 16.64122524 btc.

    I am so sorry for abandoning my account, all private messages and specially this topic. Not to excuse myself, but I tried to take this to the legal route, and the lawyer kept telling me it would be better to stop going public with this. In the end he did nothing but stall me and get $570 away from me.
    I also lost a very important jiu jitsu competition I was preparing a long time + my son got sick + my country became worst than greece in a matter of months + I felt ashamed I got robbedd in such way by Ryan and the lawyer. I am sorry for not informing everyone he did send 12 btc (once again, I never told him this would settle anything at all) but I got away from anything related to bitcoin and couldn't even visit this forum. My wife told me Ryan had posted and immediately I stopped feeling sorry for myself and I am back here, like he is.

    I still got all Ryan's information archived + all logs from this.
    I DEEPLY thank the bitcoin community for everything. You guys helped me much more than any lawyer, government or anybody else.

    Waldo will I need to repeat myself over all the lies still unsolved? Where is the rest of my money? Send me the rest of it and your personal reputation will be safe, I will warn everyone that this in fact has been solved. Better send now that btc price is below what I had paid back then.
    Waldo calculated btc/usd up, naturally. I will not calculate it down and will want to receive 16.64122524, no more.

    A LOT of people contacted me saying they got scammed by waldo, including a brazilian person. If you had problems with him please contact me.
    This has been going for FOUR months.

    Sorry for the way I wrote. All PMs have been answered. I haven't spoken english since my last post and I am very stressed (with this, and many other things unfortunately but I don't wanna play victim and it wouldnt take me anywhere anyway. What everyone here, including me, is insterested is seeing this being solved)

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    If you send, I will post there in the same instant and explain it is all settled + send pm once to everyone explaining it is settled and ask for negative rep to be removed + close thread + delete all posts I did about you
    1EfXSoomfeX9sxUcD5KLfyqDB22Su3tEyw same address I sent you payment from. 5 pm. Not sending this will make it crystal clear to everyone you just want to keep all the money and are lying. Naturally this private message will also be used against you.
    Have a nice day.
    You already come back shouting lies and manipulating stuff. No matter how much time passes, you will lie lie and lie. Too bad for you the vast majority of people aren't dumb as you understimate them and you don't fool anyone, specially when I show them evidence. Like I always had (for anyone reading this, please read some of this thread's posts and see waldo lying and lying) I will do it now again:


    Have a look at it. Full message. No picking a few lines out of everything. Take a look at the 13.75 btc. NOT 10 btc. Take a look at 5 pm california, and after that I would not accept it.
    He only sent me 10 btc later because his whole information was found.

    I will get everyone who got scammed by you's history, Ryan. I will spread your whole information. I will contact every single person related to you, personal or business-wise. Every forum, site or anything. I will spread other victim's history too. This has been going for too long and I am being too nice by not doing so already against a person like you.

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    September 02, 2015, 03:44:46 AM
    Last edit: September 02, 2015, 04:23:42 AM by chalkboard17
    #95

    He tried to do the same thing I pointed above via PM. He probably thought I had forgotten about this or deleted something. I deleted nothing and archived everything nicely.
    http://prntscr.com/8bmk53

    Ecua, 1LGpnsY37LjehreTfAp1PiR7H7e6s8ufos  is waldo's address not mine. I cannot sign a message with it.

    I will agree to 15 btc to settle this nightmare if sent before 4th september 02:00 california time.
    That's 2.922 btc left. If he does that, everyone will know since blockchain is public.
    I will personally tell everyone via PM and here that this has been solved. I will request this thread to be either deleted or locked if Waldo wants this to be digged.

    Waldo, can we please agree that 2.922 left is fair? This will save yourself from keeping ignoring everything me and other people claim and reply to lies + personal information safe + I will not deal with other people being scammed + enough of wasting time and headache with this for both of us.
    Same address. I don't wish you or anyone harm...
    BTC/USD is down from our first deal! I am honest and I don't want to take advantage of that. You will still profit 1.64 btc + btc/usd difference.

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    September 02, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
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    Ryan deleted all his posts he made here attempting to cover up his bunch of nonsense lies. Too bad for him I archived everything and a good amount of his posts have been quoted too.
    He only came back to this forum to sell more stuff, and make more victims like me and the people who posted here and contacted me through private message in the process.
    Him deleting everything + ignoring all the lies and everything previously + claiming "everything is settled" + manipulating information by picking a few words instead of the whole thing makes it clear he hasn't changed nothing and still wants to make a profit out of this whole situation, instead of attempting to actually solve it.

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    waldohoover only returned because he thought I disappeared and he took care of eliminating most of his track on the internet. he understimates me once more thinking I don't have everything archived already
    I have been more than reasonable not releasing his information and contacting everyone possible. This ends with the latest deadline, I will slowly release his information then.

    The struggle for justice will never stop and I once again count on and thank everyone for their help.

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    As always, ignored once more. As I wrote before, Ryan probably is surprised I am still here.
    Guess I have to be thankful I only have been ignored instead of lied to.

    I will release Ryan's full name when the deadline ends and raise the value to end this to BTC15.25 (3.172 left)
    I will keep on releasing information and everything, everytime a deadline ends and also raise the value until it reaches 16.64122524.

    Keep on being blissful because you removed your information out of the internet, Ryan. I have everything tidely archived.

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    Last edit: September 05, 2015, 02:20:10 AM by chalkboard17
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    waldohoover's name: Ryan Gatchalian

    Amount to end this is now BTC3.172, which makes up for 15.25 instead of 16.64122524 which is the correct value since Ryan didn't have any expense.
    He logged in three times since I have given this deadline, one of them he deleted a post of mine I made in a thread of his. No reply at all here or via PM.
    Two pictures of Ryan will be uploaded if nothing is talked about or solved until 15:00 UTC. Case will be taken to reddit as well, where he also is known.

    To those who removed negative feedback left on his account: any doubt this guy is a scammer and just returned because he thought I was gone and he was free to lie once more? I'd appreciate if you could red his trust so more people don't fall victim of this.

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    September 04, 2015, 11:23:33 PM
    Last edit: September 05, 2015, 02:19:49 AM by chalkboard17

    Name: Ryan Gatchalian




    I will edit this post soon with reference to reddit links.

    Amount to end this now is 3.422, which makes up for 15.5 instead of 16.64122524 which is the correct value since Ryan didn't have any expense.
    Cellphone number, house number and enterprise number will be published if nothing is talked about or solved until saturday, 5th 3 PM UTC

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    September 05, 2015, 11:36:49 PM

    I'm putting my negative trust back on him until this is fully resolved. Seems like I was misled.

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    September 06, 2015, 06:15:39 PM

    I'm putting my negative trust back on him until this is fully resolved. Seems like I was misled.
    Thanks. I hope more people will realize again that he was lying and negative him back.

    I have again extended Ryan's deadline, just to be ignored once more. I truly regret all the time I was nice to this person who deserved nothing and the fact I am taking 4 months to dox him. At least nobody will say I hadn't tried everything first before resorting to this.

    Name: Ryan Gatchalian
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    Cellphone number: +1 714 9326179
    House number/enterprise: +1 714 9879893
    Please feel free to give him a call or further the dox. Much appreciated.

    I have other number which I will arrange later as it's weekend. I will also post reddit link later.

    Amount to end this is now 3.672 which makes up for 15.75 instead of 16.64122524 which is the correct value since Ryan didn't have any expense.
    House address will be published if nothing is talked about or solved until monday, 7th 3 PM UTC.

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