The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Hi MMH,

I do discern that sex for the purpose of pleasure is a limitation, and that limitations are not of God; I am here to use Scripture to correct the misconception; take a close look at what Hatonn is saying, especially the part that I have underlined, and see the distinction between sexual pleasure and sexual responsibility; I will quote this again since you have said that you do not read all that I am posting:

I already showed you that there are bible verses about why God created woman, to be a companion to man. If we were not meant to be companions to each other, God would not have made us companions, or made our sexual organs capable of giving pleasure. There are animals that can procreate without the need of another, and it would have been simple for God to make us that way, if that's what He wanted.

God is all about limitations. The whole book of Job describes that fact that God has limited Satan from harming Job, and then he lifts some limits, but keeps the limit, that Satan can not kill Job.

I said I didn't want to read it, but I did read it, so I could point out the discrepancies between the "alien" and the bible. I took quotes from the whole post, that shows I read it.

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[MakingMoneyHoney]

I didn't want to read what you wrote originally, but I felt it was important to show people how it is not biblical. For someone to believe there is some "new" word from God, then it would have to go along with what the Bible says

So you reject the New Testament and only endorse the Old Testament?

The NT goes along with what the OT says. You believe they're contradictory. I disagree.

As I've already argued with you on that before, you know this.

[the joint]

perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act.

I could not disagree more strongly. Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth.

This is one of the silliest statements I've read.  Not only does psych literature oppose this, but you could just take a survey of prostitutes, porn/sex/masturbation addicts, etc. and see how "at peace" they are.  I'm sure you'd encourage your daughter to go at it as much as possible, right?

I know you like taking the evolutionary perspective on this.  I've seen you cite articles wherein they claim people are "supposed" to or "should" (unscientific language, but nevermind that, right?) have multiple sex partners.  Well, guess what else is evolutionary -- jealousy and competition.

[1aguar]

I already showed you that there are bible verses about why God created woman, to be a companion to man. If we were not meant to be companions to each other, God would not have made us companions, or made our sexual organs capable of giving pleasure. There are animals that can procreate without the need of another, and it would have been simple for God to make us that way, if that's what He wanted.

Be careful; don't be gullible and don't let anyone run you--measure truth.
Hear yourself, your GOD. Anybody can talk; only you can interpret for self.
Everybody is nice and everybody is sincere, so you can only judge by the lesson or the word. For example:
God would not tell anyone to take his child up on a mountain and kill him.
Any father that would take his son up there--hearing these mysterious voices and then the angel stopped him--BULLSHIT.
God is a creator, not a destroyer, and he does not test in that manner.
He may test the man, but the child is the one who suffers, and never would god EVER treat an innocent child to that terror--where his father is above him with a knife--oh well never mind son, "GOD" told me to do it.
With sex that is not for procreation, the possibility of pregnancy is never absent, and neither is there such a thing as "accidental" pregnancy; so, mankind must learn to recognize the truth about personal responsibility. ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL WHICH OCCURS WITHIN THEIR MANIFESTED ILLUSION whether or not one WISELY chooses to finally recognize and accept this Truth is entirely up to each.

Truth is whatever it is to whomever it comes; my truth may differ from someone else's definition or opinion of that truth, but there is one common truth and as many ways to reach this conclusion as there are individual and unique beings. And if there is any breaking of god's or man's laws, it is invalid. But there may be something very valid in the overall presentment, so simply take the truth and toss out the other, don't turn someone into YOUR conscience. You are the one listening and receiving, and you are the one perceiving.

SEX is not the INSTINCTUAL drive that was created by GOD; GOD created a CREATIVE, nurturing drive TO KNOW and CELEBRATE GOD WITHIN YOU, TO CO-CREATE THE EVER-UNFOLDING EXPANSION AND ADVENTURE OF LIFE! You misunderstand God if you think that he would tell you to sacrifice your child or that you should have sex for the purpose of pleasing self to the point of obsessive pre-occupation--those are acts which are against life.

The sexual act is limiting, substituting and impersonating YOUR CREATIVE AND SPIRITUAL UNFOLDMENT TO KNOW GOD. When you truly understand and recognize this truth, your creative spiritual unfoldment can no longer BE FRUSTRATED AND LIMITED to the repetition of a silly and truly spiritually unfulfilling "sexual act". So be gentle with self and your mate, but be aware and responsible to "consequences" (such as pregnancy) and persistent in your goal (to self) to release and detach from ALL things of Physical Manifestation. Simply RECOGNIZE without punishing self with guilt and shame that this is a transgression against the Creative spirit of life within you. For a time accept that you will have desire because you are "addicted" and many of you understand it as an "extension" of your love.

God is abundance in all Kingdoms, but the catch is you cannot become attached to things of the material world and to your emotional desires. You are borrowing this wondrous physical body and all of the "things" of the manifested world will NOT go with you when you leave your body in whatever sort of transition you earn. It is ONLY YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL THAT IS REAL IN THIS JOURNEY TO ONENESS WITHIN.

[Beliathon]

So much thought, so much effort, so much energy wasted denying what is right in front of your eyes. I know you're afraid theists, afraid of the unknown.

But there's nothing to fear, there never has been. The unknown is nothing more than a shadow on the wall.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

So much thought, so much effort, so much energy wasted denying what is right in front of your eyes. I know you're afraid theists, afraid of the unknown.

But there's nothing to fear, there never has been. The unknown is nothing more than a shadow on the wall.

No matter how much you want to believe that, theists aren't afraid. Why should they be?

[Topbanker]

I find it absolutely amazing, that this thread didnt die yet.

While you singularites keep discussing this nonsense, guess what religious people do? Pump more babies. Actually in Africa fertility levels leveled off (stopped falling) at around 4.5 kids per womb. That means doubling of population every generation.

So keep talking. Religious nuts dont even have to argue with you, hell they dont even have to learn how to write and read. They will simply breed you all out of gene pool.

^^this!!!

Nutcases rule the world!!!

 

Europe will be swarmed by religious nutcases!!!

[Beliathon]

So much thought, so much effort, so much energy wasted denying what is right in front of your eyes. I know you're afraid theists, afraid of the unknown.

But there's nothing to fear, there never has been. The unknown is nothing more than a shadow on the wall.

No matter how much you want to believe that, theists aren't afraid. Why should they be?

Jealous magical skyfather who judges your life and will possibly decide to burn you in hellfire for eternity? I'd be terrified!

Well, I'll leave you to your flagellation. Get to it, you don't wanna risk eternity in Hell!



I'm gonna go masturbate.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

So much thought, so much effort, so much energy wasted denying what is right in front of your eyes. I know you're afraid theists, afraid of the unknown.

But there's nothing to fear, there never has been. The unknown is nothing more than a shadow on the wall.

No matter how much you want to believe that, theists aren't afraid. Why should they be?

Jealous magical skyfather who judges them and will possibly decide to burn them in hellfire for eternity? I'd be terrified!

The only people who would have to fear that are those who don't know and love God, don't treat others as they'd like to be treated.


Those who turn away from sin, and follow God, don't fear.

"fear not" appears 71 times in the bible.

[Beliathon]

"fear not" appears 71 times in the bible.

That's very basic reverse psychology. It's no different than this shit here:






When an advertisement tells you to LOVE YOUR BODY, it's really reminding you that you HATE IT. It's designed to help you arrive at the conclusion that you should buy their product to alleviate that hatred.

When an advertisement tells you to SAVE MONEY BY BUYING _____, it's really telling you to SPEND money. As an exercise, try replacing the word "save" with "spend" everywhere you see or hear it in an ad.

When a religious book tells you FEAR NOT, the true intent is to remind you of the fear the book itself has already inspired in you - that terrible fear of ETERNAL HELLFIRE.

That's why FEAR NOT is in the bible 71 times, the authors knew you'd need a TON of reminders about your fear. Fear is not a natural state, after all. Infants come into this world trusting of all strangers. Why do you suppose that is?

[1aguar]

Even if you have stopped talking to me, I will continue the conversation so that all may recognize the truth and gain knowledge. Beliathon and MMH promote sex-for-pleasure, but what about the effects of this kind of behavior? Should we ignore the suffering that is directly caused by such ego-gratifying behavior? Why have neither of these two been willing to discuss the subject of personal responsibility?

God doesn't punish; mankind is punishing itself with over-population and disease because mankind does not want to recognize the truth about sex--that it is god's gift of creative union for the purpose of procreation.

perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act.

I could not disagree more strongly. Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth.

And WHAT exactly is your reasoning? I have provided mine, and you have yet to examine it; you dismiss all that has been written but propose no knowledge of your own; that is why I am asking: are you speaking in ignorance? Here is another quote:

Again, the laws of balance are LOGICAL, meaning they were created specifically to maintain BALANCE within The Creation.

Now remember the law of "Cause and Effect". The EFFECTS of breaking this one directive of GOD are all about you today. Over-Population and the spread of fatal venereal and blood-borne diseases, such as Syphilis and AIDS, are proving to be YOUR self-punishment to the point of creating the nearly complete destruction of your human species on Earth.

[Beliathon]

Beliathon and MMH promote sex-for-pleasure, but what about the effects of this kind of behavior?

Eight Health Benefits of Sex:

1. Sexercise is cardio, that's healthy
2. Lowers blood pressure
3. Reduces risk of heart attack
4. Eases pain, orgasms can even block chronic pain
5. Reduces risk of prostate cancer (for men) / Improves bladder control (for women)
6. Improves sleep
7. Reduces stress which in turn
8. Boosts the immune system

By the way, I don't merely promote sex for pleasure. I promote a human existence which holistically maximizes pleasure and minimizes suffering.

Pleasure, not pain.
Dignity, not drudgery.
Liberty, not tyranny.
Reason, not violence.
Science, not superstition.
Sufficiency, not waste.
Knowledge, not ignorance.
Truth, not falsehood.
Wisdom, not folly.
Love, not hatred.
Kindness, not cruelty.
Solidarity, not apathy.
Compassion, not greed.

There stands my philosophy. It stands opposed to religion and deception, it stands opposed to banks and loans, it stands opposed to nations and borders, it stands opposed to poverty and starvation, it stands opposed to war and murder, it stands opposed to capitalism and exploitation.

[1aguar]

All of those "benefits" in favor of sex-for-pleasure may be achieved by the use of hypnosis, which is not only free but is always readily-available to anyone, and carries no risks; on the other hand, sex is GOD's gift of creative union for procreation; it was not created for you to use to gratify your senses.

Should we ignore the suffering that is directly caused by such ego-gratifying behavior? Why have you refused to discuss the subject of personal responsibility?

Knowledge, not ignorance.
Truth, not falsehood.
Wisdom, not folly.
Love, not hatred.
Kindness, not cruelty.
Solidarity, not apathy.
Compassion, not greed.

IT IS NOT "LOVE", RESPONSIBILITY, NOR EVEN CARING, WHEN ONE WOULD GIVE FATAL DISEASE UNTO THAT OTHER HE CLAIMS TO ABIDE WITH IN LOVE.

I perceive that you are promoting false messages about sex; sex-for-pleasure has consequences, and you choose to ignore them.

Sex-for-pleasure is a holistic way to minimize suffering???

[ridery99]

By the way, I don't merely promote sex for pleasure. I promote a human existence which holistically maximizes pleasure and minimizes suffering.

Not a coincidence americans care only about pleasures nowadays  Every time when an empire or a civilization is declining, people are obsessed with sex and pleasures but luckily there will soon arrive warlords, tribes and armies to take over what's left 

[TECSHARE]

So you are only able to provide video of some hipster instead of making your own argument?

Of course, he has a habit of doing this. If he doesn't make his own arguments then he can never be proven wrong because he never states the supposed self proclaimed factual basis from which he derives his ideology. In this way he can have an endless argument over opinions while never once supporting his stance with scientific studies. Just look a few posts back, he just cited the entire bibliography of a book as if the collection of studies some how support his argument in whole, absolving himself from the responsibility of supporting any one individual study. Quite a fallacious, cowardly, and intellectually dishonest way to "debate".

[n2004al]

By the way, I don't merely promote sex for pleasure. I promote a human existence which holistically maximizes pleasure and minimizes suffering.

Not a coincidence americans care only about pleasures nowadays  Every time when an empire or a civilization is declining, people are obsessed with sex and pleasures but luckily there will soon arrive warlords, tribes and armies to take over what's left 

There are peoples that have the pleasure as a normal way to live. All the Europeans for example. They cannot imagine their life without pleasure. Not only sex (that is normal) but every kind of it. For the Americans (which love the work) this is strange and for that are people that seems strange when even some Americans love to have pleasure.

[g1974ak]

True. Not only this but there are peoples like polish, Hungarians, Baltic pays that consider sex a free thing are very available in those kind of things. Not that they are degenerated people but consider those things free things and more normal to happen than the other peoples.

[BIT-Sharon]

It is scary if a nation has no belief, or the nation destroys belief which was rooted in the heart of all the people for several centuries.

[J. J. Phillips]

Quite a fallacious, cowardly, and intellectually dishonest way to "debate".

He's not even pretending to debate. He's trolling. He's probably not even an atheist.

[Beliathon]

It is scary if a nation has no belief, or the nation destroys belief which was rooted in the heart of all the people for several centuries.

Of course, change is always scary, most especially when you can't see the past horizon. But it's folly to fear the inevitable. Change is the only constant, and now the world is changing faster than ever before.

We must learn to embrace change, because it has surely embraced us.