crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[subSTRATA]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

And to give him a huge bounty. 30 % house edge for player is no joke at all, I wonder why only substrata notice this if there is 30 % house edge for players, all players playing there should have notice this as well. Is the details for this +EV strategy will be release later after the site fix it? I am curious to know how substrata notice this as well

this info will be released after the issue is fixed, pm's are still going on with dooglus regarding this. as for how i noticed it, you just have to use your head, all i can say.

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[shulio]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

And to give him a huge bounty. 30 % house edge for player is no joke at all, I wonder why only substrata notice this if there is 30 % house edge for players, all players playing there should have notice this as well. Is the details for this +EV strategy will be release later after the site fix it? I am curious to know how substrata notice this as well

this info will be released after the issue is fixed, pm's are still going on with dooglus regarding this. as for how i noticed it, you just have to use your head, all i can say.

Other player may have notice this as well and pretend they dont know anything about this and keep playing there like nothing happened. With 30 % house edge, player will get higher chance to win so it could be that they keep silent about this or they dont notice this because they keep on winning there

[galbros]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

there you go. I will be contacting the site about this asap when dooglus give then green light. panic ensues as dice site owners await a pm

Congratulations!  Seriously.  As all the detractors pointed out, this is tough to find and you would think site operators would be more careful.

I liked the way you handled it and it was nice of dooglus to both vouch for it as well as lay out how often minor oversights like rounding can easily lead to a positive expected value situation for the player.

Good Luck!

[subSTRATA]

Congratulations!  Seriously.  As all the detractors pointed out, this is tough to find and you would think site operators would be more careful.

I liked the way you handled it and it was nice of dooglus to both vouch for it as well as lay out how often minor oversights like rounding can easily lead to a positive expected value situation for the player.

Good Luck!

thanks, rather than draining the entire site's bankroll, im deciding to take the moral route for now, unless an offer for 5 BTC shows up in my inbox within the next hour dooglus also pointed out something; in the case the site decides not to pay me or such, there are plenty of pm's between me and dooglus proving the existence of this exploit, and if they choose not to pay, i doubt the site would ever be trusted if that evidence were ever to be posted in this thread.
ill be contacting the site's admins in a few hours when i am at a better location (home) unless something comes up.

locking until further news to prevent "omg tell me" spam.

[dooglus]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

I just discovered that I made an error verifying the +EV play.

It isn't a 30% edge for the player in the worst case.

It's a 32.26% edge for the player.

[subSTRATA]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

[xetsr]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

[subSTRATA]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

[treweret]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

[waterpile]

What if they found about it and got fixed it ASAP then the method will become pointless/useless this may cause a problem in your part Subtrata.

[subSTRATA]

What if they found about it and got fixed it ASAP then the method will become pointless/useless this may cause a problem in your part Subtrata.

thats true, but judging from his hostility the admin is hes scrambling to find it and panicking. ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus. the implications of the second bug will not be disclosed for obvious reasons, but given the severity of these bugs, id think the price offered was completely reasonable. im fine with accepting the offer given, but that's not up to me; dooglus holds the details regarding the second bug ad i believe he has gone to sleep for the time being. until then, this is up for grabs. if dooglus is fine with accepting the proposed deal, so am i, but after this, i really have a negative impression of the site's admin in regards to professionalism and trust.
until dooglus gives me word that he is fine with this, its up for discussion, but either way, i will be giving dooglus a percentage share of the bounty for his immense help with this issue.

[subSTRATA]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

im not heartless; im not going to give any details as to what the site is.

[Havelivi]

I heard this awesome news +EV is possible and this is very serious kind of bug but i would like to know more details about this bug how long it will take time to get in profit if someone get starting at any dice site from big bankroll.

[subSTRATA]

I heard this awesome news +EV is possible and this is very serious kind of bug but i would like to know more details about this bug how long it will take time to get in profit if someone get starting at any dice site from big bankroll.

32+% edge in favor of the player is no joke. and i mean really, thats pretty serious; thats like getting a 2x bet on a roll higher than 34 or lower than 66. i personally think something like this is worth far more than just 1 BTC. its not something that noticeable from the back end either, no doubt the admin is now monitoring this thread and everything i say

as for details, its gambling after all, profit is to be expected but it all depends on bankroll management and how much resources youre willing to dedicate to abusing this.

even if this is somehow found and patched, its no loss to me; this isnt something i expected to find, and its not like i had anything to lose in the first place. if anything, ill take it as a lesson that these exploits are out there, even with all these improvements to dice scripts, and ill take it on myself to maybe find more of these such bugs and help out their casino owners.

[FanEagle]

And the site owner is sweating his pants off for finding himself the bug.. 32% it's quite big!

[waterpile]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

You already have a clue, a site that can't pay up 1-.5BTC offer lol..  IMO subtrata's offer is generous if this were from a professional site they could pay him alot more for finding it.

[treweret]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

im not heartless; im not going to give any details as to what the site is.

you expect people to give you offers. if its a casino with a max win of 0.01btc then good luck getting 5btc for this

[subSTRATA]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

You already have a clue, a site that can't pay up 1-.5BTC offer lol..  IMO subtrata's offer is generous if this were from a professional site they could pay him alot more for finding it.

judging from the language used, the admin of the site completely distrusts me and dooglus at the moment (lol), and im thinking that its more that the admin is unwilling to pay rather than being unable to judging from the language he used.

[joter85]

What if they found about it and got fixed it ASAP then the method will become pointless/useless this may cause a problem in your part Subtrata.

thats true, but judging from his hostility the admin is hes scrambling to find it and panicking. ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus. the implications of the second bug will not be disclosed for obvious reasons, but given the severity of these bugs, id think the price offered was completely reasonable. im fine with accepting the offer given, but that's not up to me; dooglus holds the details regarding the second bug ad i believe he has gone to sleep for the time being. until then, this is up for grabs. if dooglus is fine with accepting the proposed deal, so am i, but after this, i really have a negative impression of the site's admin in regards to professionalism and trust.
until dooglus gives me word that he is fine with this, its up for discussion, but either way, i will be giving dooglus a percentage share of the bounty for his immense help with this issue.

We are pretty confident in our code. We log many different hack attempts every day.

Exploit it please, and earn 1 btc. When you do we are willing to pay you 1.5btc extra to tell us about it. We are tired of this lame scam attempts. We get mails of exploits weekly, but no one proved or steal anything. Only reason why we offered you any amount is because you have others users backing you up.

[subSTRATA]

the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.

kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit?

"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.

how large is this site? How much is the max win?

im not heartless; im not going to give any details as to what the site is.

you expect people to give you offers. if its a casino with a max win of 0.01btc then good luck getting 5btc for this

the max win is a lot more than that. its possible to get a lot more than 5 BTC potentially.