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July 14, 2015, 04:59:53 PM
Last edit: July 14, 2015, 05:38:18 PM by birr
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This is a venmo chargeback scam I fell victim to.  Lost about 4.34 coins.
The transactions went through paxful.com.  I contacted them and they were kind enough to send me a csv file of the scammer's transactions, with the address he (or she) sent the coins to.
The address is 13ZyZi4PQXyWoP6823oXXPQn7b8NfmZfSo
Later on today or tomorrow I will make another post or edit this one to indicate which of the transactions in 13ZyZi4PQXyWoP6823oXXPQn7b8NfmZfSo were the coins withdrawn from paxful.  This person's paxful account had no other transactions besides the trades with me.
The scammer used the name "Clotilde Teal" in his venmo account, Clotilde257 on paxful.
Gotta go now, will return with more info.  And thanks in advance for your help.

Edit:
All right, all the received coins from the transaction on 2015-07-10 16:33:57 to the transaction on 2015-07-10 19:07:35 were withdrawals from paxful:
.62300580
.37196322
.64940000
.64950000
.64990000
.11670000
1.28260000

After going through an intermediate address and getting bundled with coins from a bunch of other address, about 4 of the coins went to this address
https://blockchain.info/address/181pzfrbVXpsuvWrgrXiVqKWZ2NFv4trwo
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July 15, 2015, 12:04:05 AM
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This is a venmo chargeback scam I fell victim to.  Lost about 4.34 coins.
The transactions went through paxful.com.  I contacted them and they were kind enough to send me a csv file of the scammer's transactions, with the address he (or she) sent the coins to.
The address is 13ZyZi4PQXyWoP6823oXXPQn7b8NfmZfSo
Later on today or tomorrow I will make another post or edit this one to indicate which of the transactions in 13ZyZi4PQXyWoP6823oXXPQn7b8NfmZfSo were the coins withdrawn from paxful.  This person's paxful account had no other transactions besides the trades with me.
The scammer used the name "Clotilde Teal" in his venmo account, Clotilde257 on paxful.
Gotta go now, will return with more info.  And thanks in advance for your help.

Edit:
All right, all the received coins from the transaction on 2015-07-10 16:33:57 to the transaction on 2015-07-10 19:07:35 were withdrawals from paxful:
.62300580
.37196322
.64940000
.64950000
.64990000
.11670000
1.28260000

After going through an intermediate address and getting bundled with coins from a bunch of other address, about 4 of the coins went to this address
https://blockchain.info/address/181pzfrbVXpsuvWrgrXiVqKWZ2NFv4trwo

I feel sorry for you but NEVER sell btc for something that can be charged back.   You should use a good exchange well known that goes straight to your bank after.   

I wish you the best of luck finding the person but I think it's going to be a hard battle.  You might contact law enforcement to see if they can get IP from site, and hope they used their own IP not proxy.
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July 15, 2015, 12:42:37 PM
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OK, I asked for the IP address.  Rather than going to law enforcement for it, I emailed the exchange directly.  I told them I am filing an FBI internet crime complaint and need the perpetrator's IP address, if they have it.
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July 15, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
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It's not simple get the scammer… even the police in my country don't want try to search, they want great evidence for do that.

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July 15, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
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Clotilde ?, reminds me with Elena anastasya, beautiful russian scammer , but I still doubt she is really a female.

Sad to hear she is moving to bitcoin world.

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July 15, 2015, 04:09:30 PM
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I am almost sure they will not hand out any ip to costumers
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July 15, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
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It's not simple get the scammer… even the police in my country don't want try to search, they want great evidence for do that.

Actually it is but in this cause police is stop the complain!
They don't know what is bitcoin

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July 15, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
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your coins are gone forever. better luck next time.
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July 15, 2015, 09:39:00 PM
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I know the coins are gone.  This is about the fiat.
If Clot paid with a credit card and attempted a chargeback then I have to contest it.
Venmo is probably like PayPal, will allow chargeback in almost any circumstances.
I'm getting my ducks in a row for a fight with venmo.  I had over $1300 in my account one minute, the next I had zero.
What did venmo do with my money; what's more, why did they ignore my emails?
Proving that Clot received value for his money is the first step.  With paxful's help, I've shown that Clot did withdraw the btc he bought.  As for trying to track the coins any farther than the first address Clot sent them to,  no harm in trying.
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July 15, 2015, 10:32:55 PM
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be careful when dealing with reversible payments.
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July 16, 2015, 04:08:57 PM
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I know the coins are gone.  This is about the fiat.
If Clot paid with a credit card and attempted a chargeback then I have to contest it.
Venmo is probably like PayPal, will allow chargeback in almost any circumstances.
I'm getting my ducks in a row for a fight with venmo.  I had over $1300 in my account one minute, the next I had zero.
What did venmo do with my money; what's more, why did they ignore my emails?
Proving that Clot received value for his money is the first step.  With paxful's help, I've shown that Clot did withdraw the btc he bought.  As for trying to track the coins any farther than the first address Clot sent them to,  no harm in trying.


I feel sorry but as everyone said do not sell bitcoins for reversible transactions.  There are just to many scammers, it's sad but true.

And on IP I would not get your hopes up.  There is a good chance they used a VPN/Proxy/TOR or other means to hide identity.  So even if you get ip (which I doubt the site will share with customer)  it still is going to be hard to find them/him/she chances are. 
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July 19, 2015, 12:15:04 PM
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your coins are gone forever. better luck next time.

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July 21, 2015, 08:06:31 PM
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I'm not trying to get those coins back.

I'm pursuing funds that Vennmo confiscated.
Venmo is ignoring emails.
I filed acomplaint with the FTC.
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I'm not trying to get those coins back.

I'm pursuing funds that Vennmo confiscated.
Venmo is ignoring emails.
I filed acomplaint with the FTC.


Good luck with that, since they just have only a email as support line.

Most of that restricted funds are theirs to keep, its theft but not much you can do. Venmo looks pretty on the outside, but really ugly to use for business.

Esp when they see frequent volumes of money being sent and received.

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July 22, 2015, 02:34:05 AM
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its a shame that this site called paxful is the 1st time I ever heard.

And all you can really do is learn a valuable lesson, and also to avoid using venmo since its linked to a credit card - hence chargebacks.

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I'm not trying to get those coins back.

I'm pursuing funds that Vennmo confiscated.
Venmo is ignoring emails.
I filed acomplaint with the FTC.


Good luck with that, since they just have only a email as support line.

Most of that restricted funds are theirs to keep, its theft but not much you can do. Venmo looks pretty on the outside, but really ugly to use for business.

Esp when they see frequent volumes of money being sent and received.


I will file suit in New York City Small Claims Court (Venmo's offices are at 95 Morton St, Fifth floor, New York, NY 10014).  Unfortunately I'm going to be out of the country until January.
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one question but what is "venmo chargeback scam" ?!?
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