Reputation system?

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capn noe:
Quote from: MPOE-PR on September 27, 2012, 11:16:24 AM

Quote from: capn noe on September 26, 2012, 10:39:38 PM

Quote from: ciuciu on September 26, 2012, 09:15:41 PM

Quote from: MPOE-PR on September 24, 2012, 08:47:30 PM

Yes, the WoT is where it's at.


Yes, the pirate and the pedophile Mircea Popescu started there. Everybody can spend 10 BTC and buy some ratings.


Right. It truly means nothing. I'm more likely to use my ebay account than a bitcoin-spawned service.

At least, today.


In that case what exactly are you doing here?


Sellin' surplus and lookin' for next generation reputation and identity management experiments.

You?

fbastage:
The Web Of Trust is a good tool.  more worthwhile than a simple rating score is the ;;gettrust rating that will show how connected you are to someone else (i.e. the people you have shown trust in that trust this person).  always note who has rated a person, not just their score.

http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php

of course this is not foolproof. Nothing is. A chameleon can play nice in the community for as long as necessary to build a reputation.

capn noe:
Quote from: fbastage on September 27, 2012, 06:40:42 PM

The Web Of Trust is a good tool.  more worthwhile than a simple rating score is the ;;gettrust rating that will show how connected you are to someone else (i.e. the people you have shown trust in that trust this person).  always note who has rated a person, not just their score.

http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php

of course this is not foolproof. Nothing is. A chameleon can play nice in the community for as long as necessary to build a reputation.


Right?

OTC is valueless for a ton of reasons. You can pay people to rank you, there is no attached identity management (even an anonymous identity), and it is in no way accessable. It also isn't kept clean, such as

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Coolio-&sign=ANY&type=RECV

This entry has multiple +10 rankings that are obviously accidents
15160    TheBitcoinFox    -9    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:32:35    10    ripped off 600$ in moneypacks from a newby!
15168    insanebit    -8    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:39:42    10    ripped off moscowr 600$ moneypack

Both entries, of course, known sock puppets in the system and yet still being tallied

The person stolen from has an entry here:
15111    MoscowR    1    Coolio-    2012-09-25 22:55:29    1    thanks for mp->btc exchagne

I assume you can only leave one entry for someone, so MoscowR couldn't change this from a suggestion to a -10?

In short, it doesn't... suit my needs.

Like I said, I'm more likely to point people to my ebay profile right now until something new comes along (or something old is re-appropriated).

MPOE-PR:
Quote from: capn noe on September 27, 2012, 10:31:14 PM

Quote from: fbastage on September 27, 2012, 06:40:42 PM

The Web Of Trust is a good tool.  more worthwhile than a simple rating score is the ;;gettrust rating that will show how connected you are to someone else (i.e. the people you have shown trust in that trust this person).  always note who has rated a person, not just their score.

http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php

of course this is not foolproof. Nothing is. A chameleon can play nice in the community for as long as necessary to build a reputation.


Right?

OTC is valueless for a ton of reasons. You can pay people to rank you, there is no attached identity management (even an anonymous identity), and it is in no way accessable. It also isn't kept clean, such as

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Coolio-&sign=ANY&type=RECV

This entry has multiple +10 rankings that are obviously accidents
15160    TheBitcoinFox    -9    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:32:35    10    ripped off 600$ in moneypacks from a newby!
15168    insanebit    -8    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:39:42    10    ripped off moscowr 600$ moneypack

Both entries, of course, known sock puppets in the system and yet still being tallied

The person stolen from has an entry here:
15111    MoscowR    1    Coolio-    2012-09-25 22:55:29    1    thanks for mp->btc exchagne

I assume you can only leave one entry for someone, so MoscowR couldn't change this from a suggestion to a -10?

In short, it doesn't... suit my needs.

Like I said, I'm more likely to point people to my ebay profile right now until something new comes along (or something old is re-appropriated).



You can't pay people that matter to rank you. The WoT is a Web of Trust not a Sum of Trust.

capn noe:
Quote from: MPOE-PR on September 27, 2012, 11:51:07 PM

Quote from: capn noe on September 27, 2012, 10:31:14 PM

Quote from: fbastage on September 27, 2012, 06:40:42 PM

The Web Of Trust is a good tool.  more worthwhile than a simple rating score is the ;;gettrust rating that will show how connected you are to someone else (i.e. the people you have shown trust in that trust this person).  always note who has rated a person, not just their score.

http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php

of course this is not foolproof. Nothing is. A chameleon can play nice in the community for as long as necessary to build a reputation.


Right?

OTC is valueless for a ton of reasons. You can pay people to rank you, there is no attached identity management (even an anonymous identity), and it is in no way accessable. It also isn't kept clean, such as

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Coolio-&sign=ANY&type=RECV

This entry has multiple +10 rankings that are obviously accidents
15160    TheBitcoinFox    -9    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:32:35    10    ripped off 600$ in moneypacks from a newby!
15168    insanebit    -8    Coolio-    2012-09-25 13:39:42    10    ripped off moscowr 600$ moneypack

Both entries, of course, known sock puppets in the system and yet still being tallied

The person stolen from has an entry here:
15111    MoscowR    1    Coolio-    2012-09-25 22:55:29    1    thanks for mp->btc exchagne

I assume you can only leave one entry for someone, so MoscowR couldn't change this from a suggestion to a -10?

In short, it doesn't... suit my needs.

Like I said, I'm more likely to point people to my ebay profile right now until something new comes along (or something old is re-appropriated).



You can't pay people that matter to rank you. The WoT is a Web of Trust not a Sum of Trust.


Ok. What is the system being used in all of this that indicates who matters? The only entity management in all this appears to be Freenode's NickServ,  userprofileID / name on this forum, and a handful of strange startup stock markets. Is it a personal case-by-case judgement? If so, that's ok; but if there is another system being worked on I'd like to hear about it. To use.

My point stands about the entry by MoscowR earlier, if that works the way it appears if I trusted MoscowR (and maybe filtered out all feedback from non-trusted reviewers) I would think that this user was vouched. Can he change that entry on his own or....?

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