Bitcointalk honest tipsters

[Wendigo]

Hello there fellow gamblers. So there has been a recent influx of wanna-be tipsters here in the gambling section with some get rich quick overnight type of bet schemes and as their threads are self-moderated they like to delete honest comments to save face and only show 100% 'accurate' over-the-top results more perfect than Justin Bieber's hair   So in light of the recent events I would like to invite you to write your comments here about all the tipsters you think are not 'playing fair' and these comments will stay for everyone to see, forever.

Update

Let's keep this thread civilized and discuss about the tipping business and not blame each other with baseless accusations.

I decided to create this because I am noticing a lot of new tipping threads that are not completely transparent. It's not a personal vendetta against anyone.

Thank you and happy betting/tipping  Cool

PS. No one in particular is under discussion here but all the services in general. Thanks again.

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[syamster]

I think those tipsters who is not showing their stats of bets or ROI are not playing fair, lots of tipsters here says they had huge winnings in their past picks, those are also not playing fair...lots of tipsters not playing fair here....not one or two

[ajrah]

I think those tipsters who is not showing their stats of bets or ROI are not playing fair, lots of tipsters here says they had huge winnings in their past picks, those are also not playing fair...lots of tipsters not playing fair here....not one or two

I have an idea regarding this, before starts giving tips , a tipster must have a certain amount as bankroll and post his bets here within 2 weeks or a month, within this period we'll see whether the tipster is a really good tipster or not.

[sakira]

I usually follow the tipster from Joca, they are quite fair and always include a transparent statistics  
I do not fully trust to the Tipster, still follow my feelings  

[cazkooo]

I usually follow the tipster from Joca, they are quite fair and always include a transparent statistics 

Not transparent for his premium picks, he claim to have XX-XX record but we never see any pick at all. Anyone can claim to have XX-XX records without showing them the picks.

Any self-moderation @tipster or a bookie thread is just laughable.

In addition, i can just quote myself from 2 months ago

Here are the clues that should trigger your
7) Not operating in 'units'. Either just not mentioning it or just using broad definitions like "small, medium, big"  - Not a sign of a scammer by any means, more like a sign of a rookie who bets according to "a feel".

Why are you suppose to operate in units? you can also operate in BTC I think and that is more easier for some people because not everyone understand units

[Joca97]

My picks will always be on seen,i never delete my picks after horrible days or after awesome days
i didnt delete my posts even when i had 0 % wins and i didnt delete when i had 100% wins

also my thread isnt self-moderated !! every comment can be seen !

[magicmexican]

Why are you suppose to operate in units? you can also operate in BTC I think and that is more easier for some people because not everyone understand units

If someone posts a pick with 0,1 btc bet it does not tell you anything, he can be going all-in, he can be betting 10% of his roll, or 0,1% of his roll.

Using units is the most standard thing ever, just like using 'buyins' in poker, when refering to your results. "I am down 500$" wont tell you anything, because the size of his buyin could be 25$ or 5000$, - "i am down 20 buyins" - now that a different story.

If someone does not understand units, he does not understand bankroll/bankroll management and have no business betting on sports anyway, except for the casual entertainment.

[fox19891989]

You mean this guy right? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105351.0  My posts there were deleted by him cos he said his bets on peru was correct, but not correct actually, his prediction was peru/peru on each half time, but the result was tie/peru, so he argued that this kind of bet doesn't count to prediction. (WTF!!! Bad excuse)

And his tip of Argentina wins chile in 90 minutes was also wrong, but he didn't include that bet on his OP.

Haha, if you wanna get his tips, you need to be his downlines, I won't follow this kind of tipsters cos they  just wanna make money from your losses and predict intentionally wrong bets to make money, very shady.  

[deadlyunknown]

To be honest, if a tipster claims can give you a guarantee win 100%, then that's pure BS imo, no tipster is a mind reader, we cannot foresee our predictions to a 100% win, anything can happen.

[ticoti]

I have been following Joca97 some weeks and he is honest and with good results

[shanem]

My picks will always be on seen,i never delete my picks after horrible days or after awesome days
i didnt delete my posts even when i had 0 % wins and i didnt delete when i had 100% wins

also my thread isnt self-moderated !! every comment can be seen !

You are the best. I hate those self-proclaimed tipster who self moderated their post when they lose or when people post some bad comments.

[Phildo]

I usually follow the tipster from Joca, they are quite fair and always include a transparent statistics  

Not transparent for his premium picks, he claim to have XX-XX record but we never see any pick at all. Anyone can claim to have XX-XX records without showing them the picks.

Any self-moderation @tipster or a bookie thread is just laughable.

In addition, i can just quote myself from 2 months ago

Here are the clues that should trigger your
7) Not operating in 'units'. Either just not mentioning it or just using broad definitions like "small, medium, big"  - Not a sign of a scammer by any means, more like a sign of a rookie who bets according to "a feel".

Why are you suppose to operate in units? you can also operate in BTC I think and that is more easier for some people because not everyone understand units

bitcoin is just a type of unit. Real gamblers trying to display an accurate record will determine what their base unit is, and explain their plays in terms of that so it's easier to keep track.

a 1 unit play, 1 unit could be 1 dollar, 10 dollars, 100 dollars, 1 bitcoin, 10 bitcoins, .1 bitcoins whatever should risk 1 unit on bets that are +100 or higher odds (american style) and risk enough to win 1 unit on odds -101 or worse. That is the standard in the industry to keep accurate records. Just a win/loss record is meaningless because a loss on a -300 bet is 3 times as worse as a loss on a -110 bet.

The accurate way to keep a record, especially for public consumption if you plan on charging people for your picks would involve every bet looking like this.

New Yorks Mets money line. Risk 1 unit to win 1.55 units. Bet placed at Nitrogen Sports at 10:35 AM EST (this part is important so people can check to make sure you aren't full of shit, and because if the odds are changed by the time someone reads your tip 5 hours later they should know.)

after the game ends my record will either be 1-0 +1.55 units, or 0-1 -1 unit. It's important to list total record and a bankroll because losing as a big favorite hurts a lot more than winning as a big favorite would.

If you think the bet is really important, you can risk more units, but you have to keep track so that there is an accurate reflection in your record.

So it would say Mets, risk 2 units to win 3.094 units.

[ajareselde]

You mean this guy right? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105351.0  My posts there were deleted by him cos he said his bets on peru was correct, but not correct actually, his prediction was peru/peru on each half time, but the result was tie/peru, so he argued that this kind of bet doesn't count to prediction. (WTF!!! Bad excuse)

And his tip of Argentina wins chile in 90 minutes was also wrong, but he didn't include that bet on his OP.

Haha, if you wanna get his tips, you need to be his downlines, I won't follow this kind of tipsters cos they  just wanna make money from your losses and predict intentionally wrong bets to make money, very shady.  

99% of the time when there's a self moderated thread, it's a shady business. I avoid it as much as i can.

tbh i wouldn't follow anyone's advice with my money. If they are indeed as good as they claim they are, they wouldn't be selling bets and/or asking/begging for tips,
they would just place bets themselves and make real profits with their "knowledge"

cheers

[2double0]

99% of the time when there's a self moderated thread, it's a shady business. I avoid it as much as i can.

tbh i wouldn't follow anyone's advice with my money. If they are indeed as good as they claim they are, they wouldn't be selling bets and/or asking/begging for tips,
they would just place bets themselves and make real profits with their "knowledge"

cheers

I am against you on this. Some people like to share their knowledge, and if knowledge won't be shared, whom will newbies follow in order to be in the game for long time?

I know tipsters are not a good start, but why take risk on your own when you know someone is actually possessing "something" better than you, I am talking about stats here.

[BTC Tipster]

I am being blammed for wrong stats as i can see. visit www.btc-tipster.blogspot.com and none of them was edited. I had lost yesterday and you guys are saying that i am not transparent. today also you can see i posted 4 bets and i won 2 and 2 are still pending. I will be removing my self moderated thread and will start a normal one for your confirmations.

I never want anyone to loose on my predictions. sorry.
EDIT: Created a new one, removed previous one. Non-Self Moderated: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1110408

Thank you & Sorry for my mistake in past.
Regards,
BTC Tipster.

[gkv9]

Don't know whether I should post here or not, but if you are also talking about me, please check all my bets and tally it with the total of profit and loss both and I bet you won't get any numbers wrong...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066885

That's the link to my thread, if you feel I am not transparent, please let me know what do I need to do in order to prove it...

[Phildo]

I am being blammed for wrong stats as i can see. visit www.btc-tipster.blogspot.com and none of them was edited. I had lost yesterday and you guys are saying that i am not transparent. today also you can see i posted 4 bets and i won 2 and 2 are still pending. I will be removing my self moderated thread and will start a normal one for your confirmations.

I never want anyone to loose on my predictions. sorry.

You need to start posting the odds of your bets for anyone to take you seriously/give a shit. picking someone who is 75% to win a tennis match to win is not impressive.

[arallmuus]

I am being blammed for wrong stats as i can see.

You are blammed for deleting an honest comment which is a sign of that you are trying to cover up your tack. Anyway a self moderated thread actually indicate that the person starting the thread doesnt like to be critized.

they would just place bets themselves and make real profits with their "knowledge"

This is quite "confusing question" and there isnt any solid answer for this kind of question, the same thing as why ASIC manufacturers are selling miners when they can mine for more profit or why companies are offering cloudmining when they can mine for themselves

As a matter of fact, some tipster are actually making profits from their own tips . Some are actually great in "predicting" the match and giving out tips without them even betting using the tips for themselves and hope someone would buy their tips or tip them after winning by using the hot-air tips

Some examples of a great tipster that actually bet on his own tips

Turned 0.086BTC into 10BTC


https://nitrogensports.eu/betslip/21c8808YVZYTDlTOHo2Ynl5L1M1aHZxWEZFUT09/r/32901/

So much for losing month.

Sucks that my subs probably didnt not follow that parlay, even though i shared it.

[sakira]

I usually follow the tipster from Joca, they are quite fair and always include a transparent statistics 

Not transparent for his premium picks, he claim to have XX-XX record but we never see any pick at all. Anyone can claim to have XX-XX records without showing them the picks.

Joca, does not put statistics premium pick in the first page, but I always saw him commented any outcome of premium pick..

[ajareselde]

99% of the time when there's a self moderated thread, it's a shady business. I avoid it as much as i can.

tbh i wouldn't follow anyone's advice with my money. If they are indeed as good as they claim they are, they wouldn't be selling bets and/or asking/begging for tips,
they would just place bets themselves and make real profits with their "knowledge"

cheers

I am against you on this. Some people like to share their knowledge, and if knowledge won't be shared, whom will newbies follow in order to be in the game for long time?
I know tipsters are not a good start, but why take risk on your own when you know someone is actually possessing "something" better than you, I am talking about stats here.

Well newbies should not gamble if they don't know what they're doing in the first place. And it doesnt matter if you are following someones tips, since it's your risk 100% anyways,
there's no way of knowing if the tipster has some better knowledge.

they would just place bets themselves and make real profits with their "knowledge"

This is quite "confusing question" and there isnt any solid answer for this kind of question, the same thing as why ASIC manufacturers are selling miners when they can mine for more profit or why companies are offering cloudmining when they can mine for themselves

You can't compare betting and ASIC manufacturing. What they are doing is making a business call which is most probable to make profits, and tipsters that sell out tips are
kind of those people who are selling 100$ a day money earning method for 10$.

cheers

[subSTRATA]

Well newbies should not gamble if they don't know what they're doing in the first place. And it doesnt matter if you are following someones tips, since it's your risk 100% anyways,
there's no way of knowing if the tipster has some better knowledge.

people dont seen to understand this part, i see people get mad because their all in from 1 tip turned out to be a loss.

that aside, on the topic of "bad" tipsters that withhold info, id expect that theyre doing so just to sway the odds or something.

[Wendigo]

Let's keep this thread civilized and discuss about the tipping business and not blame each other with baseless accusations.

I decided to create this because I am noticing a lot of new tipping threads that are not completely transparent. It's not a personal vendetta against anyone.

Thank you and happy betting/tipping 

PS. No one in particular is under discussion here but all the services in general. Thanks again.

[Herbert2020]

whenever i see a self-moderated topic in 99% of the times i ignore the whole thing.
because it shows that the moderator of the thread is denying freedom of speech and most likely has the intention of hiding something that don't want people pointing out.

[Joca97]

To be honest, if a tipster claims can give you a guarantee win 100%, then that's pure BS imo, no tipster is a mind reader, we cannot foresee our predictions to a 100% win, anything can happen.

I am a tipster and i completely agree with you,there is no guarantee 100% wins,those are just lies if someone tells you!

I have been following Joca97 some weeks and he is honest and with good results

My picks will always be on seen,i never delete my picks after horrible days or after awesome days
i didnt delete my posts even when i had 0 % wins and i didnt delete when i had 100% wins

also my thread isnt self-moderated !! every comment can be seen !

You are the best. I hate those self-proclaimed tipster who self moderated their post when they lose or when people post some bad comments.

Thanks guys for your support,i had ups and downs and people hating the bets and loving,but everything was resloved in a good matter and now everything is fine

I usually follow the tipster from Joca, they are quite fair and always include a transparent statistics 

Not transparent for his premium picks, he claim to have XX-XX record but we never see any pick at all. Anyone can claim to have XX-XX records without showing them the picks.

Joca, does not put statistics premium pick in the first page, but I always saw him commented any outcome of premium pick..

I have currently imputed a premium pick streak in posts,but if someone wants proof from me i can show you the buyers list,even moderators can prove every message where i have sold premium picks!

[pooya87]

whenever i see a self-moderated topic in 99% of the times i ignore the whole thing.
because it shows that the moderator of the thread is denying freedom of speech and most likely has the intention of hiding something that don't want people pointing out.

Pretty much. There is no real reason to self-moderate a tipping or sportbook thread, unless you are aiming to scam people in some kind of way (cheating with results, not paying out, etc)

If you dont have self-moderation, whats the worst thing that could happen really? Now and then you will run into some fresh account trolls, but they are pretty harmless, like this guy in my thread :

This is a scam. OP is publishing different results than he actually sends out. I am following him for 2 months and now I am down 12btc.
SCAM DO NOT BUY

yeah, exactly.
any person who has been on the internet for at least a week knows that these kinds of posts are only trolls or haters. so the only logical reason for why they make their post self-moderated is that they want to hide some facts and silence anybody who wants to warn others or reveal their ugly truth.