Americas Gay Imam Abdullah: the holy homo

[pureelite]

WASHINGTON: Supreme Court of the United States (SCOUT) legalized same-sex marriages across US and religious fractions across US are opposing the decision however there is one Muslim cleric who is not openly gay but performs same-sex marriages as well. He is widely criticized for his belief and dissented not only in person but on the social media as well however he continues his practices in D.C.

Abdullah’s first act as an Imam was that he performed funeral rights for a gay Muslim who died because of AIDS after many imams denied this Muslim the ritual rights as per their beliefs however being a gay Muslim himself he decided to take that responsibility upon himself to perform the rituals. Abdullah believes that every person has equal rights no one has a right to judge any one.

Abdullah believes in the message he is spreading with the faith that it would keep resounding: “It is our relationship with God and our relationship with one another that truly builds up our faith.” He was 15 years old when he came out to his parents, long before he converted to Islam or travelled abroad.

 

Born in the state of Detroit, his parents were Baptists. At the young age of 15 he came out of them. Abdullah converted to Islam at the age of 33 when he was studying in China, later he moved to Egypt, Syria and Jordan to study the religion. As a homosexual man in America he witnessed that lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual Muslim are not treated in a good way so he decided to become an Imam to provide community support.


Abdullah, is part of a national network of progressive Muslims, is the keeper of their secrets. He quietly helps gay Muslim couples get married, counseling them beforehand and keeping the ceremonies low-profile.


http://www.thenewstribe.com/2015/06/30/americas-gay-imam-abdullah-the-holy-homo/


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Why doing it undercover when it is the law of the land?

I think this is a great shame, not only for America but for the whole world. If the men are married to men, and women with women, then children will be born, the human race extinct any time soon.

[jayce]

I think this is a great shame, not only for America but for the whole world. If the men are married to men, and women with women, then children will be born, the human race extinct any time soon.

So are you really sure that all people will become a gay or lesbian after US legalized it? Let US government legalized it, that's not our business. It won't affect our country I guess, and let world gays gather and live in US.

[Wilikon]

WASHINGTON: Supreme Court of the United States (SCOUT) legalized same-sex marriages across US and religious fractions across US are opposing the decision however there is one Muslim cleric who is not openly gay but performs same-sex marriages as well. He is widely criticized for his belief and dissented not only in person but on the social media as well however he continues his practices in D.C.

Abdullah’s first act as an Imam was that he performed funeral rights for a gay Muslim who died because of AIDS after many imams denied this Muslim the ritual rights as per their beliefs however being a gay Muslim himself he decided to take that responsibility upon himself to perform the rituals. Abdullah believes that every person has equal rights no one has a right to judge any one.

Abdullah believes in the message he is spreading with the faith that it would keep resounding: “It is our relationship with God and our relationship with one another that truly builds up our faith.” He was 15 years old when he came out to his parents, long before he converted to Islam or travelled abroad.

 

Born in the state of Detroit, his parents were Baptists. At the young age of 15 he came out of them. Abdullah converted to Islam at the age of 33 when he was studying in China, later he moved to Egypt, Syria and Jordan to study the religion. As a homosexual man in America he witnessed that lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual Muslim are not treated in a good way so he decided to become an Imam to provide community support.


Abdullah, is part of a national network of progressive Muslims, is the keeper of their secrets. He quietly helps gay Muslim couples get married, counseling them beforehand and keeping the ceremonies low-profile.


http://www.thenewstribe.com/2015/06/30/americas-gay-imam-abdullah-the-holy-homo/


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Why doing it undercover when it is the law of the land?

I think this is a great shame, not only for America but for the whole world. If the men are married to men, and women with women, then children will be born, the human race extinct any time soon.

Not true. Straight couples in poor countries will become baby factories. Gay couple will justify it and call this a new love commodity market... Commercial enterprises with cute rainbow flags will flourish online under the disguise of adoption entities...

[lolxxxx]

He Cant Be Muslim

[Wilikon]

He Cant Be Muslim

Imam Daayiee Abdullah is America's first openly gay imam in the Islam faith. Born Sidney Thompson in 1954 in Detroit, Michigan - Daayiee was raised as a Christian and lived with parents who were religious but progressive in their thinking. He describes his upbringing as one where activism was promoted and dialogue encouraged, Daayiee was taught to be his own person. From a young age he knew he was gay and came out to his parents and an environment of general acceptance. He followed an educational path that lead him from Detroit on a journey around the world, including earning a Juris Doctor degree and, finally, being called to Islam.

Daayiee studied Islam in China and Taiwan before returning to the United States to earn his degree from the Graduate School of Islamic Social Sciences in Ashburn, Virginia. He was eventually kicked out of school before receiving his degree due to his sexual orientation. Daayiee continued his path in the light of Islam and organized a community of muslims who desire to practice their faith in an environment open to LGBT members as well as women taking lead roles in the mosque. Despite being publicly dismissed by leaders in the Islam faith for officiating gay marriages in the Washington, D.C. area and for promoting acceptance within the Muslim community, he continues to move forward with his message. He leads a community of LGBT Muslims in Washington, D.C. at the Light of the Reform Mosque. I sat down with him to listen to his story and understand his the way of thinking that has lead him to where he is today.

https://vimeo.com/97686087


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He is an imam. He has a holy book. He has a mosque. He is muslim.

[jayce]

He Cant Be Muslim

Sexual orientation of a person is not depend on what his religion or his race is. He can't avoid the fact that he is a gay, so he must admit it in his life. We can't say that a gay is an atheist, or if his religion is X, so he can't be a gay, since religion X forbid it.

[Wilikon]

He Cant Be Muslim

Sexual orientation of a person is not depend on what his religion or his race is. He can't avoid the fact that he is a gay, so he must admit it in his life. We can't say that a gay is an atheist, or if his religion is X, so he can't be a gay, since religion X forbid it.

Is it based on the DNA of that person?

[jayce]

Is it based on the DNA of that person?

Nope, I think it based on psychological condition of that person, maybe because of bad experience when he was child, broken home, sexual harassment, or love experience. You can ask psychologist about it, I guess they have deeper explanations about it.

[Wilikon]

Is it based on the DNA of that person?

Nope, I think it based on psychological condition of that person, maybe because of bad experience when he was child, broken home, sexual harassment, or love experience. You can ask psychologist about it, I guess they have deeper explanations about it.

Psychologists? It is a problem then? A problem that needs fixing? Not natural nor based on faith supported by any holy books?

[bryant.coleman]

Only gay muslims go to his mosque then? Correction: "No such thing as a gay muslim...!"

Homosexuality is widespread in most of the Islamic societies, although the Muslims would not admit it readily. The Arab Slave Trade, in which more than 200 million Africans were enslaved, was done mostly for the sexual purposes, unlike the Atlantic Slave Trade.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/the-arab-slave-trade-and-200-million-non-muslim-slaves-of-all-skin-colors/

And unfortunately, homosexual sex slaves are sill being trafficked to various Middle Eastern nations in huge numbers.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/12/the-ongoing-trafficking-of-homosexual-sex-slaves-from-africa-to-the-middle-east

[jayce]

Psychologists? It is a problem then? A problem that needs fixing?

Well I can't say surely that it is a problem, it depends on perceptions by each persons. We can take the example of people who prefer masturbating than having sex with girl. If they don't feel anything wrong, why do we need to fix them?

Not natural nor based on faith supported by any holy books?

Come on wily, do you think a person changed to be a gay because read a holy book? How about the atheist gay then?

[Scamc0p]

He is a respected imam. How can he be wrong?

He converted to homosexuality at the age of 15, and then again converted to Islam at the age of 33. So he was not born and brought up in an Islamic environment. And also, he is not affiliated to any of the Islamic organizations in the United States, and most of the Muslims don't consider him as one of them.

Only gay muslims go to his mosque then? Correction: "No such thing as a gay muslim...!"

I thought there was way a muslim could be gay or they would have to kill themselves or if revealed be killed because it is one of those "against our faith" rules.
But then again, I see muslim on here gambling and talking on porn for bitcoin threads.

[Wilikon]

He is a respected imam. How can he be wrong?

He converted to homosexuality at the age of 15, and then again converted to Islam at the age of 33. So he was not born and brought up in an Islamic environment. And also, he is not affiliated to any of the Islamic organizations in the United States, and most of the Muslims don't consider him as one of them.

Only gay muslims go to his mosque then? Correction: "No such thing as a gay muslim...!"

I thought there was way a muslim could be gay or they would have to kill themselves or if revealed be killed because it is one of those "against our faith" rules.
But then again, I see muslim on here gambling and talking on porn for bitcoin threads.

If the participants in porn are not muslims then it is OK. I believe that's how I understand it.

[protokol]

Abdullah’s first act as an Imam was that he performed funeral rights for a gay Muslim who died because of AIDS after many imams denied this

OK. So when some diseased sodomite is refused a wedding cake by some baker, the latter is fined $135,000 for discrimination against sodomites. On the other hand, when a Muslim cleric denies a funeral for someone (just because he happened to die from the dreaded HIV virus), it is not a crime and it is perfectly legal.

Well you're right, on the surface of it it is pretty dumb, and that case was blown way out of proportion. But I can see why - by operating in a certain state, the business must operate by the state's rules. If they do not, then they risk prosecution. A case of this nature would be lucrative, as it obviously appeals to mass media, what with the gay discrimination and a wedding cake. So the lawyers went all-out, and secured a whopping deal.

With the muslim clerics denying funerals, they're not really breaking the law as far as I know. They're just being assholes.

Working so hard to post multiple amount of gay jesus images, telling us how evil christianity is... I was hoping a massive participation pointing to us, regular folks who believe the concept of marriage should be between a man and a woman, how progressive islam is. How chrisitianity should follow the steps of imam abdullah...


As of yet... none of the regulars are here... As if islam is kriptonite to the pro ssm.

Wilikon it's easy to see the point you're trying to make with this thread, and it's pretty non-constructive.

Anyway, I say good for the guy - at least he's acting more like a religious person should, i.e. generally being nice to people. I really dislike this authoritarian way of running certain sects of religions whereby you're not a "true christian/muslim/etc" unless you believe and do everything they say. Some are stricter than others, Islam is probably one of the worse ones so this guy's got some guts...

I have to disagree. It is not discrimination for imams denying funerals because=faith. It is perfectly OK to sue Christians refusing to bake a cake because=faith. It is perfectly OK to never talk about those gays killed by muslims because=faith.

How many gays got killed by muslims this year only, 2015, versus the numbers of gays who could not get a wedding cake by christians?


Let me guess: "It's a non-constructive parallel"

 

I don't really get what you're saying here, my point was that the reason they were prosecuted was because what they did was illegal. Imams denying funerals is not illegal, however of course it is discrimination: most religions are discriminatory by definition - they only accept those that believe their doctrine. To simplify things I'll make my views clear:

I don't agree with the law that forced the bakers to pay up - I believe that a private business should decide who it serves, not the state.
But I do think the bakers were stupid to not follow the law in this case - an analogy to this would be a drug user/dealer being executed - I don't agree with the law, but I think they are dumb for not following it.

Of course I would condemn anyone being killed by muslims (or anyone else). This would include gays, trannies, drug users, women etc. I would make exceptions for violent opponents or instances of self defence, stuff like that.

Quite why you're comparing gays killed by muslims and gays not receiving wedding cakes, I'm not sure. It's not a non-constructive parallel, it's pretty irrelevant as far as I can see. The state could start making laws against religious institutions, but it's pretty obvious that this would be a dick-maneuver.

When I called your thread "non-constructive", I was referring to the fact that it is a blatant attempt to get a rise out of both Muslims (who might disagree with homosexuality) and pro-gay rights people (who might disagree with the Muslims). The thread serves to inflame the issues, rather than resolve them.

[stallion]

In a way he's doing a noble act by supporting homosexuality . But i support that his acts should only be limited to gay muslims. What about gay christians ? or gay hindus? Maybe he needs to adopt the idea as a whole,not just for one community.

[CoinFoxs]

Islam is clear in its prohibition of homosexual acts. Islamic scholars cite these reasons for condemning homosexuality, based on teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah:
It clashes with the "natural" order in which God created human beings.It brings destruction of the family and the institutions of marriage.It leads people to ignore God's guidance in other areas of life

In Islamic terminology, homosexuality is alternatively called al-fahsha' (an obscene act), shudhudh (abnormality), or 'amal qawm Lut (behavior of the People of Lut).
It is totally against Islam and Islam forbid this act....

He is a respected imam. How can he be wrong?

I don't believe in these type of so called Imams. He is not the representator of Islam. If you want to know who is the representator of Islam in true meaning then read the history and sayings of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Thanks

[GregH37]

He Cant Be Muslim

Imam Daayiee Abdullah is America's first openly gay imam in the Islam faith. Born Sidney Thompson in 1954 in Detroit, Michigan - Daayiee was raised as a Christian and lived with parents who were religious but progressive in their thinking. He describes his upbringing as one where activism was promoted and dialogue encouraged, Daayiee was taught to be his own person. From a young age he knew he was gay and came out to his parents and an environment of general acceptance. He followed an educational path that lead him from Detroit on a journey around the world, including earning a Juris Doctor degree and, finally, being called to Islam.

Daayiee studied Islam in China and Taiwan before returning to the United States to earn his degree from the Graduate School of Islamic Social Sciences in Ashburn, Virginia. He was eventually kicked out of school before receiving his degree due to his sexual orientation. Daayiee continued his path in the light of Islam and organized a community of muslims who desire to practice their faith in an environment open to LGBT members as well as women taking lead roles in the mosque. Despite being publicly dismissed by leaders in the Islam faith for officiating gay marriages in the Washington, D.C. area and for promoting acceptance within the Muslim community, he continues to move forward with his message. He leads a community of LGBT Muslims in Washington, D.C. at the Light of the Reform Mosque. I sat down with him to listen to his story and understand his the way of thinking that has lead him to where he is today.

https://vimeo.com/97686087


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He is an imam. He has a holy book. He has a mosque. He is muslim.

He is a muslim but from his act he didn't a muslim because homosexuality like gay sex is strongly prohibited in ISLAM....Allah says in Quran don't do this stupid act...So if he is a gay then this is his own opinion and interest but Islam against this act...Should i clear ??

[jayce]

He is a muslim but from his act he didn't a muslim because homosexuality like gay sex is strongly prohibited in ISLAM....Allah says in Quran don't do this stupid act...So if he is a gay then this is his own opinion and interest but Islam against this act...Should i clear ??

Well I think there is no religion that order people to be a gay. I actually don't support it, but in my opinion we can't just force him to turn into straight guy easily, since its all about psychology, not religion. Then, should we tell him to be an atheist?

I don't believe in these type of so called Imams. He is not the representator of Islam. If you want to know who is the representator of Islam in true meaning then read the history and sayings of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Thanks

So are you not representing your religion then?

[Wilikon]

He Cant Be Muslim

Imam Daayiee Abdullah is America's first openly gay imam in the Islam faith. Born Sidney Thompson in 1954 in Detroit, Michigan - Daayiee was raised as a Christian and lived with parents who were religious but progressive in their thinking. He describes his upbringing as one where activism was promoted and dialogue encouraged, Daayiee was taught to be his own person. From a young age he knew he was gay and came out to his parents and an environment of general acceptance. He followed an educational path that lead him from Detroit on a journey around the world, including earning a Juris Doctor degree and, finally, being called to Islam.

Daayiee studied Islam in China and Taiwan before returning to the United States to earn his degree from the Graduate School of Islamic Social Sciences in Ashburn, Virginia. He was eventually kicked out of school before receiving his degree due to his sexual orientation. Daayiee continued his path in the light of Islam and organized a community of muslims who desire to practice their faith in an environment open to LGBT members as well as women taking lead roles in the mosque. Despite being publicly dismissed by leaders in the Islam faith for officiating gay marriages in the Washington, D.C. area and for promoting acceptance within the Muslim community, he continues to move forward with his message. He leads a community of LGBT Muslims in Washington, D.C. at the Light of the Reform Mosque. I sat down with him to listen to his story and understand his the way of thinking that has lead him to where he is today.

https://vimeo.com/97686087


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He is an imam. He has a holy book. He has a mosque. He is muslim.

He is a muslim but from his act he didn't a muslim because homosexuality like gay sex is strongly prohibited in ISLAM....Allah says in Quran don't do this stupid act...So if he is a gay then this is his own opinion and interest but Islam against this act...Should i clear ??

Why are you asking me if it is clear or not? I am not in charge of a mosque and I am not a gay imam recognized as such by all the gay muslims...


If he says he is then he is.

[bryant.coleman]

He is a muslim but from his act he didn't a muslim because homosexuality like gay sex is strongly prohibited in ISLAM....Allah says in Quran don't do this stupid act...So if he is a gay then this is his own opinion and interest but Islam against this act...Should i clear ??

That doesn't matter. The main question is whether he considers himself to be a Muslim or not. And the answer is YES, and therefore he is a Muslim. Apart from homosexuality, a lot of other things are banned as per the Qur'án. Almost every single Muslim on this planet will be violating at least some of these taboos. Sunnis don't consider Shiites and Ahmediyas to be Muslims. But that doesn't mean that these groups are non-Muslim.