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Question: Would you pay $100 for a New R-Box Upgrade board, stock setting 230GH/100W down to about 120GH/40W
Yes - 15 (32.6%)
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Maybe - 11 (23.9%)
No but that sounds like fun - 9 (19.6%)
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July 08, 2015, 07:34:10 PM
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Yeah, it'd definitely be geared toward people that already have 'em.

So I'm running one right now and it's giving me a reported stats of 40C on 110GH, which since these run about 1W/GH I can assume is at least 110W. That cool, I bet these wouldn't have much trouble cooling 150W or so. With that in mind, we could actually do a full 18-chip TypeZero (not implementing fan speed in hardware, but everything else) in a layout sized for this box. 18 chips would get you 300GH at 300MHz on about 120W, and then the only changes required for S1-style boards is PCB layout. If a new chip comes out, we can retool for the specific footprint and voltage changes, adjust the layout and BOOM we have a TypeZero Spec1. I think that could work. Price would probably be higher since the PCB is both bigger and in smaller quantity, but otherwise ought be not much difference. And if not enough people want them, well I just won't make 'em to sell.

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July 08, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
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Yeah, it'd definitely be geared toward people that already have 'em.

So I'm running one right now and it's giving me a reported stats of 40C on 110GH, which since these run about 1W/GH I can assume is at least 110W. That cool, I bet these wouldn't have much trouble cooling 150W or so. With that in mind, we could actually do a full 18-chip TypeZero (not implementing fan speed in hardware, but everything else) in a layout sized for this box. 18 chips would get you 300GH at 300MHz on about 120W, and then the only changes required for S1-style boards is PCB layout. If a new chip comes out, we can retool for the specific footprint and voltage changes, adjust the layout and BOOM we have a TypeZero Spec1. I think that could work. Price would probably be higher since the PCB is both bigger and in smaller quantity, but otherwise ought be not much difference. And if not enough people want them, well I just won't make 'em to sell.

you bring a lot of good points up.  getting it to market fast seems very possible.

I have a question when you build the board for it the 18  chips   would be placed so the rbox heat sinks and fans do the job?

 If that is true and I take a few of these 18 chip boards to use in one of my many cases + heatsinks.

  It seems like  I would need to provide heatsinks  + fans  + hub + rasp pi and I could build a  6 board unit  doing

1800gh and using 720 watts.

If the boards will use usb to a hub to a controller .  my concern is heatsinks and fans.

 I have lots of  cases heatsinks and fans and hubs and rasp pi's.

If this is true I want 4 to 6 boards.


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July 09, 2015, 12:11:40 AM
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Well, i vote Yes, due to the fact i have some dead New-R-Box's.. or they get trashed/hacked/used in some bitcoin cultist ritual

if the S1 is the same/similar footprint as the NRB board, and people want to go that way, meh, i'd re-drill the sinks to match and see if it fits in the case
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July 09, 2015, 01:13:49 AM
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What about the New R-Box hardware exactly is reused?  The heatsink and fans?  The box?

I guess what I'm getting at, is, why wouldn't you just design the board with heatsink at that point?  By reusing a not-so-popular piece of hardware, I would suspect that you're limiting the potential to mass produce it.  Unless you were to design it such that it didn't require a heatsink and operated at ambient temps, like those bitfury kits.  Which would be spectacular.  

Anyway, If I could vote for which form factor you should reuse in this small miner market, I'd say try to make a Bitcoin only miner out of the old Gridseeds.  There are an abundance of those in the wild from my understanding, since it was one of the first scrypt asics on the market.  I personally, have about 150 left.

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July 09, 2015, 01:20:04 AM
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I'd definitely be interested for myself, but you probably wouldn't get much more than 50 sales. My suggestion would be to make something that is compatible with as many chassis as possible, which may leave the board looking like swiss cheese. If you have to pick one compatible chassis, go with the S1. S1 is going to be your enthusiast board, with the highest ratio of forum users and tinkerers.

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July 09, 2015, 01:21:26 AM
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Yes, the heatsink fans and box would be reused. You know, all the really heavy parts that suck to ship and also that I don't have the tools to make. Just like with the other large-scale boards we're making.

Someone requested New R-Box form factor and it's close enough to something I was already going to do that the idea seems appealing. If I wanted to make a new Gridseed, I'd be making a new U3.

Anyone saying "Make the S1 board instead" is not paying enough attention to everything said so far.

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July 09, 2015, 01:42:08 AM
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Yes, the heatsink fans and box would be reused. You know, all the really heavy parts that suck to ship and also that I don't have the tools to make. Just like with the other large-scale boards we're making.

Someone requested New R-Box form factor and it's close enough to something I was already going to do that the idea seems appealing. If I wanted to make a new Gridseed, I'd be making a new U3.

Anyone saying "Make the S1 board instead" is not paying enough attention to everything said so far.

so this board will have a pcie jack on it ? along with a usb port?

If I have heatsinks, boxes, fans and an usb hub.   along with a pc/controller like a rasp pi

 I can jury rig it up correct?

I have an idea  for cooling it. I have some  long aluminum bars.

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just like above I could do 4 boards attached to it.

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July 09, 2015, 02:13:26 AM
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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

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July 09, 2015, 02:50:39 AM
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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

I think I can make some nice heat sinks match this very well.


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July 09, 2015, 02:55:06 AM
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Count me in for one please.

I have a New R-Box that I would like to upgrade.

Any idea on the cost of the board?

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July 09, 2015, 03:10:39 AM
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I have a lot of heatsinks

I used to build amps for musicians

and audiophiles

 these are about 6 by 12

 I can drill them to fit the chips and put two boards on it.
heck If I figure out where I put them i could use 1 per board.  would be quiet.





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Count me in for one please.

I have a New R-Box that I would like to upgrade.

Any idea on the cost of the board?

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I have 2 NewR's and I'd upgrade em, I like a few USB miners for altcoins and rentals
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July 09, 2015, 04:24:29 AM
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Yeah I am in for a few. I will make my own design with parts lying around and the 18 chip boards.  should be fun.

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Someone requested New R-Box form factor and it's close enough to something I was already going to do that the idea seems appealing. If I wanted to make a new Gridseed, I'd be making a new U3.

Dang, I was hoping to get rid of these things  Wink

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July 09, 2015, 11:19:09 AM
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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

And you'll loose all the buyers who wants to buy in quantity....

I think nobody will redrill 100 or 200 pieces of S1 or S3.... Redrill and make the screwthreads.... Not a good idea.

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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

And you'll loose all the buyers who wants to buy in quantity....

I think nobody will redrill 100 or 200 pieces of S1 or S3.... Redrill and make the screwthreads.... Not a good idea.

but he has 1000 chips with 600 set for usb sticks this leaves only 400 chips left.

these boards are 18 chips so we are not at a quality point.

of course my numbers may be wrong on chips.

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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

And you'll loose all the buyers who wants to buy in quantity....

I think nobody will redrill 100 or 200 pieces of S1 or S3.... Redrill and make the screwthreads.... Not a good idea.

but he has 1000 chips with 600 set for usb sticks this leaves only 400 chips left.

these boards are 18 chips so we are not at a quality point.

of course my numbers may be wrong on chips.

Ok got it.

This stuff is not for mass production.  Angry

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If I'm not able to fit S1 holes on it, they'd still fit on a redrilled S1 heatsink. So, anything you could mount a standard S1 board on would fit two of these side-by-side.
Yes, it'd have a PCIe for power and a USB.

And you'll loose all the buyers who wants to buy in quantity....

I think nobody will redrill 100 or 200 pieces of S1 or S3.... Redrill and make the screwthreads.... Not a good idea.

but he has 1000 chips with 600 set for usb sticks this leaves only 400 chips left.

these boards are 18 chips so we are not at a quality point.

of course my numbers may be wrong on chips.

Ok got it.

This stuff is not for mass production.  Angry

I am thinking sidehack is looking forward to a second set of chips maybe BM1386 for the new s-7  not sure.

This r-box is more like  a practice step.  Have to wait and see.

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July 09, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
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If I was going to do any production of these I'd have to get more chips. I've already emailed Bitmain about the possibility of getting more chips (which I was wondering anyway in case Compac/Amita sales were ridiculous). When the idea for this board was proposed, a one-off run was asked for which means a single batch of a few hundred boards, which I've repeated a couple times. The point is not to make it compatible with an S1, but to make it compatible with a New R-Box; S1 compatibility is almost a side-effect of convenience on my end. If you want a mass-produced product to stick on your S1, you want this thing's big brother the TypeZero Spec1 - which this thing would act somewhat as an initial prototype for since the base design would be almost identical. Depending how timing works out, I'd rather put new-gen chips on the TypeZero once some are known to exist. If Bitmain doesn't give us any info, Avalon might.

So, yeah. What Phil just said.

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