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July 09, 2015, 08:48:28 AM
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Guys you need to realize UNSC permanent seats are not for regional powers, but for great powers. India is not a sovereign state that is recognized as having the ability to exert its influence on a global scale; so, India is not a great power thus actually she doesn't deserve a permanent seat into the UNSC.

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July 09, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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India is a Nation with over 1 Billion People who over 65% of them will be displaced by rising ocean levels and it is already happening now.

The U.S. Military used to have Networked IBM Super Computers running scenario's for this 24/7 365....now they use 1000 Quibit Quantum Computers with data accumulated by the ONLY viable source the U.S. Dept. of Energy's at Oak Ridge National Laboratories Office of Science......CDIAC.

The U.S. Military being a Global Military Force runs scenarios for every possible contingency.

Many Indian's live on the water....the water levels are rising dispacing Millions right now.

Pakistan is India's Blood Enemy.

The displaced Indian's might attempt to cross into Pakistan.

The ONLY Nation with the capability to prevent a war on this scale is the U.S.

Both India and Pakistan have Nukes.

But the U.S. could very easily render the Nukes on both sides useless.

That's about all the info I can go into.
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July 09, 2015, 09:07:22 AM
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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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Soviet Union in 1945-1950 wasn't that richer ...

To this easy comparison add that it's a mere geographical matter: India is as big as an entire planetary region [it's a subcontinent]. It's the great problem of Asia in perspective: 3 regional powers [Russia, China and India] with the addition of some military powers and one with nukes [Pakistan].
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July 09, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
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Soviet Union in 1945-1950 wasn't that richer ...

To this easy comparison add that it's a mere geographical matter: India is as big as an entire planetary region [it's a subcontinent]. It's the great problem of Asia in perspective: 3 regional powers [Russia, China and India] with the addition of some military powers and one with nukes [Pakistan].

India's issues are with Health, Medical, Food and Large bodies of people moving.
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July 09, 2015, 09:14:00 AM
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India's issues are with Health, Medical, Food and Large bodies of people moving.

They have to manage a population of about one billion of persons. That's not easy. Anyway pay attention that in their culture the achievements of the country can be even more important that daily needs of common people [India has sent a probe to Mars, entering the tiny club of powers able to do that].

Sure in India there are politicians and movements of opinions saying that the priorities of the country should be others, but they are quite proud of the power India is showing [I know some Indians and like Chinese they are a bit nationalist ...]
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July 09, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
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They have to manage a population of about one billion of persons. That's not easy. Anyway pay attention that in their culture the achievements of the country can be even more important that daily needs of common people [India has sent a probe to Mars, entering the tiny club of powers able to do that].

Sure in India there are politicians and movements of opinions saying that the priorities of the country should be others, but they are quite proud of the power India is showing [I know some Indians and like Chinese they are a bit nationalist ...]

China and India don't trust each other.

Pakistan and Idia used to be part of one nation Inda along with Bangladesh.

They are both Nuclear Armed Nations but as I posted....thee U.S. has Highly Advanced methods of shutting them down both Nuclear wise and Conventionally.

Or ability to penetrate another Nations Cumuterized Command and Control is unparralleled and no nation is so capable as they ae 75 to 100 years behind us techologically.

We could stop thier Nucear Launches.

We culd drop Non-Nuclear EMP's and shut down their military forces at will.
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July 09, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
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They have to manage a population of about one billion of persons. That's not easy. Anyway pay attention that in their culture the achievements of the country can be even more important that daily needs of common people [India has sent a probe to Mars, entering the tiny club of powers able to do that].

Sure in India there are politicians and movements of opinions saying that the priorities of the country should be others, but they are quite proud of the power India is showing [I know some Indians and like Chinese they are a bit nationalist ...]

China and India don't trust each other.

Pakistan and Idia used to be part of one nation Inda along with Bangladesh.

They are both Nuclear Armed Nations but as I posted....thee U.S. has Highly Advanced methods of shutting them down both Nuclear wise and Conventionally.

Or ability to penetrate another Nations Cumuterized Command and Control is unparralleled and no nation is so capable as they ae 75 to 100 years behind us techologically.

We could stop thier Nucear Launches.

We culd drop Non-Nuclear EMP's and shut down their military forces at will.

I dont think so that India is a Much regional power, because India and Pakistan is Much lagging behind China and Russia. We can say that If India is 50 year behind than china than Pakistan is 60 year. In that case we are too much behind. We dont think about Moving forward we still go for war between each other. Other countries moving forward but we are still fighting on minor issues.

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July 09, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
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Germany's economy is exceptionally powerful.
And money rules the world.

But they lack the natural resources. This is why Canada with its small population is in the G7.
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July 09, 2015, 09:47:33 AM
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But they lack the natural resources. This is why Canada with its small population is in the G7.

Yeah... and China lack natural resources as well and so are not in that group.
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July 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
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But they lack the natural resources. This is why Canada with its small population is in the G7.

Canada is in the G7 because Canada and the United States are considered by in the past the Soviet Union and now Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea....etc....TO BE ONE NATION AND ONE MILITARY.

And they are right!!

Every year when both Russia and China put out their.....Nations of the World Military Threat Assessment Study...both Russia and China and everyone else who does a yearly Military Threat Assessment Study lists not just the United States or just Canada individually.....they list both nations as NORTH AMERICA.

The reason for this is the United States and Canada have an INTEGRATED MILITARY FORCE upon all levels.

The relationship between the United States and Canada is a BLOOD RELATIVE RELATIONSHIP as most American's and Canadian's have family members living in each nation and I have many Canadian Relatives.

It is the longest ungarded boarder on Planet Earth.

Why?

Because the two nations are ONE IN THE SAME!!!

And that is why Canada is in the G7.
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July 09, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
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Canada is in the G7 because Canada and the United States are considered by in the past the Soviet Union and now Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea....etc....TO BE ONE NATION AND ONE MILITARY.

And they are right!!

Every year when both Russia and China put out their.....Nations of the World Military Threat Assessment Study...both Russia and China and everyone else who does a yearly Military Threat Assessment Study lists not just the United States or just Canada individually.....they list both nations as NORTH AMERICA.

The reason for this is the United States and Canada have an INTEGRATED MILITARY FORCE upon all levels.

The relationship between the United States and Canada is a BLOOD RELATIVE RELATIONSHIP as most American's and Canadian's have family members living in each nation and I have many Canadian Relatives.

It is the longest ungarded boarder on Planet Earth.

Why?

Because the two nations are ONE IN THE SAME!!!

And that is why Canada is in the G7.

In that case Canada should just be represented by the US president at the G-7 & rename it G-6.05.
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In that case Canada should just be represented by the US president at the G-7 & rename it G-6.05.

I freely admit it is the U.S. that got Canada into the G7....but Canada is a Military Powerhouse and is endowed with massive amounts of resources.

The U.S. and Canada alone are calculated to have 6.1 TIMES the total amount of Oil Reserves in all Middle Eastern Nations.

The U.S. has more Coal Reserves than the entire Planet Combined.

This is why I advocate a Russian/American-Canadian Partnership.

Russia as far as land area is #1...Canada #2.....U.S....#4........China is #3...and not by much over the U.S..

All three Nations....United States, Russia and Canada have together THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF ENERGY RESERVES ON PLANET EARTH!!!

The U.S. and Canada have the Advanced Technology....Russia has the Work Force...as the U.S. and Canadian Work Force even though existing in a much higher number than Russia....2.5 times to 1.....are more dedicated to other aspects of a more diverse economy.

This partnership would GUARANTEE MILLIONS OF HIGH PAYING RUSSIAN JOBS!!!

It would also make the world see the U.S. and Canada in partnership with Russia which would spark BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT INTO RUSSIA!!!

There really is no down side for Russia or Canada or the U.S.

We just all neeed to do something about Putin.
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July 09, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
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To my way of thinking India with the nukes & large conventional military it has to be considered at least a regional power.

UN security council permanent members should be US, EU (the EU should represent all EU member countries as one nation), Russia, China, India & Pakistan ( as the representative of the Sunni Islamic world). Some consideration should also be given to the non-nuclear states of Brazil & South Africa as representatives of the South American countries & black African Countries respectively.

@ Riniojet  There was a suggestion about a strong EMP being used to knock out nuclear weapon systems but that is the first thing they would be shielded for.
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To my way of thinking India with the nukes & large conventional military it has to be considered at least a regional power.

UN security council permanent members should be US, EU (the EU should represent all EU member countries as one nation), Russia, China, India & Pakistan ( as the representative of the Sunni Islamic world). Some consideration should also be given to the non-nuclear states of Brazil & South Africa as representatives of the South American countries & black African Countries respectively.

@ Riniojet  There was a suggestion about a strong EMP being used to knock out nuclear weapon systems but that is the first thing they would be shielded for.

No....I never implied an EMP would be used to knock out any Pakistani or Indian Siloed Nukes.

You are correct...they are shielded from this.

What would happe is U.S. Quantum Processing Computers exist at over the 1000 Quibit Level now.

We can crack any Launch Code and install a Algorythmic Directive that willl not allow a launch.

If you have doubts about this U.S. Cyber Command and Private U.S. Military Contractors in thie field....Google about how SOME UNKNOWN GROUP.....was able to install a Virus into 2 Iranian Underground Nuclear Facilities that had Ten's of Thousand's of CENTRIFUGES runing night and day to enrich Reactor Grade Uranium to WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM.

This UNKNOWN GROUP...was able to penetrate two secret Underground Iranaian Nuclear Facilities and install a Program that made the Cetrifuges RUN AT THE WRONG RATE OF VELOCITY!!!

To enrich Uranium from Reactor Grade to weapons Grade you need to do this with thousands of Centriguges as this is a very old way of doing enrichment as Iran does not have the Technology Level of Russia or the U.S.

This Viral Program installed not only had the centrifuges running at the wrong velocity but as well had the Mainframe Computer as well as EACH INDIVIDUAL CETRIFUGE DIAGNOSTIC telling the Iranian's everything was running at proper spefications.

THEY WERE NOT!!!

This set back Iranian Uraniam Enrichment back 12 to 18 months.

We can blast through any firewall.....as we are the ONLY NATION....well the U.S. and CANADA....that is currently using Quantum Processors, Computers and Systems which can blast though 5024 Bit Algorythmic Ecription and well above that as well.

We can SHUT DOWN a Nation like India or Pakistan's ability to Launch ICBM's.

The Non-Nuclear EMP's would be used to render INERT Large Divisions of Mechanized Forces.
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July 09, 2015, 10:21:16 AM
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I freely admit it is the U.S. that got Canada into the G7....but Canada is a Military Powerhouse and is endowed with massive amounts of resources.

The U.S. and Canada alone are calculated to have 6.1 TIMES the total amount of Oil Reserves in all Middle Eastern Nations.

The U.S. has more Coal Reserves than the entire Planet Combined.

This is why I advocate a Russian/American-Canadian Partnership.

Russia as far as land area is #1...Canada #2.....U.S....#4........China is #3...and not by much over the U.S..

All three Nations....United States, Russia and Canada have together THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF ENERGY RESERVES ON PLANET EARTH!!!

The U.S. and Canada have the Advanced Technology....Russia has the Work Force...as the U.S. and Canadian Work Force even though existing in a much higher number than Russia....2.5 times to 1.....are more dedicated to other aspects of a more diverse economy.

This partnership would GUARANTEE MILLIONS OF HIGH PAYING RUSSIAN JOBS!!!

It would also make the world see the U.S. and Canada in partnership with Russia which would spark BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT INTO RUSSIA!!!

There really is no down side for Russia or Canada or the U.S.

We just all need to do something about Putin.


I was going to click like for that post until you got to the bit about Putin. The US has already missed the boat on Putin & if he gets assassinated now any real potential replacement will be more anti US. Besides Russia has already chosen a new path away from Europe & the US with the BRICS nations.
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July 09, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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Although India is struggling with a lot of issues because of its rapidly increasing population and other issues like poverty and so on , it is still a very powerful nation. It is the 4th most powerful nation follwing US, Russia and china respectively. And I think yes, it does have enough. regional power and deserves this status

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Although India is struggling with a lot of issues because of its rapidly increasing population and other issues like poverty and so on , it is still a very powerful nation. It is the 4th most powerful nation follwing US, Russia and china respectively. And I think yes, it does have enough. regional power and deserves this status

ROFL.... Do you think that India is more powerful than countries such as Japan, Germany, Italy, France, United Kingdom, South Korea, Canada, Australia.etc? I don't think so. Out of the Indian population of some 1,250 million, just around 40 million are productive (i.e, paying income tax to the government). In short, India is a country where 40 million people subsidize the remaining 1,210 million. This model won't be able to sustain for long.
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July 10, 2015, 07:36:10 AM
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According to a report published in the Toronto Star, 70% of Indians live in villages, and they do not have access to basic utilities, and they are dependent on manual labor. On the other hand, India is one of the biggest importer of military weapons. India is also demanding a permanent seat in UN Security Council with all the power given to the permanent members. With these socioeconomic indexes, does India really deserve such a status in the wold body?

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India indeed is a regional superpower. They have more then one billon population. Soon there will be more people then in China. So yes. India should have a seat in UN security council.

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