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June 11, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
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Sometimes people do what they do until they know better. Hopefully you also see yourself as doing things today that tomorrow you will know better about and not as a completely all wise being.

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June 11, 2011, 06:45:26 PM
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Sometimes people do what they do until they know better. Hopefully you also see yourself as doing things today that tomorrow you will know better about and not as a completely all wise being.
All I know for certain is that I know nothing.

However, I have a preference for life.
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June 11, 2011, 10:24:07 PM
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No, you should let the individuals decide and form their own research groups.

They form their own research groups, paid by the government with taxes. Then their research is published for all people's benefit.

And that system works: that's how transistors were invented (thanks to US Department of Defense). And that's how microchips were invented too (NASA paid the research to create the first integrated circuit to get to the moon). US Department of Defense also invented internet.

Yeah, taxes can pay off pretty well if the government invests in investigation.

How much did the moon landings cost? NOBODY would have financed such project by himself (not even the biggest corporation in the world). But even if you only take into account the byproduct of creating the first microchip, well, it was absolutely worth it for HUMANITY. I mean, how many billions do the IT generate every years using transistors and microchips?

You are coerced by your body to sustain it. Live with it. Welcome to nature, parasite.

Our body is communist. All the blood and oxygen is distributed to all cells, for example. Also, no cell is unemployed. Welcome to nature, human.

Wealth, if it's distributed in a good enough way, can feed every human in the planet. But with the actual system, there are as many obese as people suffering from severe famine. If we compare our economic system with our body's cells, they are much more efficient, and much more socialists than us.

That overpriced degree was forced upon you by a state monopoly on education. The poor wages are also a related side effect.

Poor wages are a side effect of having a too high Gini Index, meaning wealth is not distributed in a fair enough way.

Truth is the rich people are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, but the rich people actually need the poor people to get richer... so the poor people must be clever enough to make laws that benefit them so they don't get poorer.

This is due to corporatism and an overly involved government. Everybody would on an equal playing field if others weren't given a grant on government force. So, yes, it is a matter of law.

Gini Index in America has gone up and up since Reagan's neoliberalism took place. Before Reagan, taxes for the very rich were up to 90%, for example. That was a GOOD thing.

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June 11, 2011, 10:31:41 PM
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They form their own research groups, paid by the government with taxes. Then their research is published for all people's benefit.

And that system works: that's how transistors were invented (thanks to US Department of Defense). And that's how microchips were invented to (NASA paid the research to create the first integrated circuit to get to the moon).
No, the powerful few get to decide through the enablement of people's stolen money called taxes. Then the research is published according to the whims of the higher establishment. Also, who is to say those innovations couldn't be created otherwise?


Our body is communist. All the blood and oxygen is distributed to all cells, for example. Also, no cell is unemployed. Welcome to nature, human.
My cells work with each other and give to each other because they choose to. No gun, no force is used against them.

Wealth, if it's distributed in a good enough way, can feed every human in the planet. But with the actual system, there are as many obese as people suffering from severe famine. If we compare our economic system with our body's cells, they are much more efficient, and much more socialists than us.
No, if people choose to take care of themselves they can live with the resources available to them. If these resources are denied due to the whims of the powerful, they die or live enslaved lives. If people wish to work together, they can.  Welcome to history.


Poor wages are a side effect of having a too high Gini Index, meaning wealth is not distributed in a fair enough way.
It's a subjective measure that means absolutely nothing and it should have no say in my life and how I should live. You can take your Keynesian pseudo-economics and blow it out your ass. Anyways, wealth would be up for grabs by everybody if it weren't left to the hands of the powerful.


Gini Index in America has gone up and up since Reagan's neoliberalism took place. Before Reagan, taxes for the very rich were up to 90%, for example. That was a GOOD thing.

Cool story, friend. I remember when there wasn't a personal income tax in this country that wasn't left to be used by the central banks and light Bernanke's cigars.
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June 11, 2011, 10:38:38 PM
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How much did the moon landings cost? NOBODY would have financed such project by himself (not even the biggest corporation in the world). But even if you only take into account the byproduct of creating the first microchip, well, it was absolutely worth it for HUMANITY. I mean, how many billions do the IT generate every years using transistors and microchips?
There are innovations waiting to be found on the moon. A company could fund it on a whim if but the moon landing surely isn't a human right. ...and the microchip being the essential tool it is, could easily be funded by independent demand as well.

Also, just because a thief created something awesome with his loot doesn't justify his crime.

To say violence is necessary to prosper and build is blasphemy upon humanity and life as a whole.
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June 11, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
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There are innovations waiting to be found on the moon. A company could fund it on a whim if but the moon landing surely isn't a human right. ...and the microchip being the essential tool it is, could easily be funded by independent demand as well.

Also, just because a thief created something awesome with his loot doesn't justify his crime.

To say violence is necessary to prosper and build is blasphemy upon humanity and life as a whole.

The state is the monopoly of violence. And I include low wages inside the concept you call violence.

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June 12, 2011, 12:01:26 AM
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There are innovations waiting to be found on the moon. A company could fund it on a whim if but the moon landing surely isn't a human right. ...and the microchip being the essential tool it is, could easily be funded by independent demand as well.

Also, just because a thief created something awesome with his loot doesn't justify his crime.

To say violence is necessary to prosper and build is blasphemy upon humanity and life as a whole.

The state is the monopoly of violence. And I include low wages inside the concept you call violence.
There is no such thing as a low wage. You get paid for whatever value you produce, period. If people do not wish to pay higher, it's their prerogative unless you want to use force against them. I guess two wrongs make a right in your world.

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June 12, 2011, 03:43:09 PM
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There is no such thing as a low wage. You get paid for whatever value you produce, period. If people do not wish to pay higher, it's their prerogative unless you want to use force against them. I guess two wrongs make a right in your world.

Rich people have the monopoly on:
- Freedom. Because you only have freedom once you've covered your most vital needs.
- Power to decide.
- Money.

With those monopolies in place, the rest of the people are not free when they enter a "free market" zone.

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June 12, 2011, 04:06:38 PM
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So, you want to spread freedom by restricting choices.  Good call.

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June 12, 2011, 04:08:38 PM
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Objectively define 'rich' and I'll get back to you. My mother certainly felt rich despite being raised by her low-waged military father.
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