cxboyminer
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September 03, 2015, 02:14:25 PM |
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How come the price for EU lads are higher than the price for e.g. US blokes?
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sidehack (OP)
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September 03, 2015, 02:21:32 PM |
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The picture of 9 sticks running in the first post, the 10th port is powering a Pi with Minera and they're all running off the stock cgminer on it (as U3). It'll be better when Novak's cgminer driver is done, but it does work. Not sure if the latest version has U3 support.
Breakeven hasn't really been a thing with stickminers in what, a year and a half? The point of this guy isn't to make bank. Really it was a dev step on the road to bigger things, but enough people wanted it to be an actual product that now it's an actual product. The price is as good as I can make it. By manufacturing in-house (and nobody's really getting paid to do that) we're saving a lot so the price is basically materials and some margin to keep the lights on at the shop. That said, I understand it's still not low enough to get ahead (with the best efficiency, highest hashrate and lowest $/GH of any stickminer ever) but it's priced to be fun. The feature set of variable voltage and variable clock makes it probably the least boring stickminer ever, and it's intended to be good for n00bs who want to get a taste for mining without an expensive or cumbersome setup. You get to play with cgminer integration, learn about voltage setpoints and how they affect your error rate and overall hashrate, see some flashy lights and maybe decide if you want to move on to bigger better machines now that you've gotten your feet wet.
So, if you want to break profit you shouldn't be looking at stickminers. But if you want a lottery ticket or a gift to get a friend hooked on mining, this'll do.
EU pricing is higher because it's not the same stick. I licensed the design to a guy in EU who is building sticks in Germany and selling there. His price is his own to set. It's higher for a couple reasons which I think he explains in his sales thread - including VAT on parts, assembly labor, stuff like that. If I wasn't building Compacs myself but had them done in a regular fab house our sticks would be a lot more expensive. But I prefer to do things myself, and we bought that fancy pick-and-place so that we wouldn't have to rely on (or more specifically, pay for) someone else to do assembly for us. Not everyone has that option, or is willing to take that option. Novak and I are just a special kind of different.
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September 03, 2015, 02:35:20 PM |
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[...] Novak and I are just a special kind of different.
This is the best explanation so far regarding your method of operation. Big fabs are the way they are because they are run by people that must report to someone else profits. Hence the pressure to sell half baked goods with high markups.
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Mikestang
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September 03, 2015, 07:38:14 PM |
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I placed my order, will I receive a confirmation that I did it correctly? I'd never signed a message before, and not knowing what the "from address" was I just generated a new address in my wallet and used that to sign the message. Looking forward to upgrading my usb sticks with these which start at 4x faster than what I'm using, thanks!
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sidehack (OP)
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September 03, 2015, 07:40:31 PM |
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I need to update my queue with recent sales. Anyone that's purchased in the last day, my wallet has to reindex (grumble grumble power outage) so I can't confirm purchases until it's caught up. There are at least two pending.
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Mikestang
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September 03, 2015, 09:23:10 PM |
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Oops, I missed that posting, sorry. I assume that if I erred on the signed message/address you will let me know when you get to processing orders, thanks!
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MacEntyre
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September 03, 2015, 10:12:02 PM |
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How come the price for EU lads are higher than the price for e.g. US blokes?
I simply can't compete with GekkoScience's in-house production. The miner is decently calculated and the price includes shipping in EU. Explained it in detail here.
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philipma1957
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September 03, 2015, 11:02:50 PM |
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How come the price for EU lads are higher than the price for e.g. US blokes?
I simply can't compete with GekkoScience's in-house production. The miner is decently calculated and the price includes shipping in EU. Explained it in detail here. He is trolling the thread!
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September 04, 2015, 01:02:36 AM |
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Is there a recommended USB hub to run these on? Say for up to 10? I am planning on using a Rasberry Pi 2 eventually but may start with a regular desktop PC.
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sidehack (OP)
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September 04, 2015, 03:51:31 AM |
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Orders are confirmed and sales are updated.
I'm having some issues with the QFN parts going down reliably. I'm guessing a lot of it is poor adhesion because the solder paste is basically shot. Solder paste is basically powdered solder and flux in a liquid binder that evaporates when hot, so it gets shipped overnight with an ice pack. UPS beat me to the shop by about 45 minutes last Saturday, and apparently the office is closed Saturday even when there are trucks running because the 800 number customer service people couldn't get ahold of anyone at the office or any drivers to let them know our $100 thing we paid an extra $50 to get overnighted because it was perishable needed to get here sometime when we're actually open instead of letting it sit and get ruined all weekend and arrive on Monday having wasted not only the cost of the product but the extra money on expedited shipping. Not too happy about that. So now I'm having to manually go back over pretty much every stick and make sure the buck, USB, ASIC and the big FETs are stuck down right. The ASIC is especially temperamental.
As of right now I have 21 completed sticks which need a bit of Novaking and a quick test and they'll be ready to ship. Tomorrow I'll be cutting out of work early (3PM instead of 10-11PM like the last 5 days straight) so I might not get a lot more done. But we'll see. If I can run up about half a dozen more tomorrow I can ship the first 8 small orders.
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September 04, 2015, 06:10:28 AM |
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Orders are confirmed and sales are updated.
Thank you! but the extra money on expedited shipping.
Call customer support and demand a refund, they will give it to you since the package did not arrive when promised. I've had to do it more than once. If the package was insured they should also cover the replacement cost of the damaged goods up to the insurance value. I think UPS default coverage on all their packages is $50 or $100, at least it was years ago when I used to ship a lot of car parts.
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novak@gekkoscience
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September 04, 2015, 07:16:35 AM |
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Yeah that paste sucks. In the "things that don't suck" department the cgminer build is coming along quite nicely. I should probably clean up the code a little (a lot? It's basically a gutted icarus driver) but it runs like a champ. I've also got a windows build done. Luke Jr has also added bfgminer support so it looks like you'll have a good variety of software options. Windows running cgminer: I'll make a more official post but we should have our own branch of cgminer available by the time sticks are received- which is good news for you overclockers who want to push sticks over 250 MHz. -- novak
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September 04, 2015, 07:47:27 AM |
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What kind of cooling would we need to keep a stick at 250mhz? xD
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September 04, 2015, 09:43:56 AM |
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Is there a recommended USB hub to run these on? Say for up to 10? I am planning on using a Rasberry Pi 2 eventually but may start with a regular desktop PC.
This could run 9-10 @ 1amp each: http://www.eyeboot.com/10-port-usb-hubComes with wall mounts and never gets hot
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TheRealSteve
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September 04, 2015, 09:47:03 AM |
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I'll make a more official post but we should have our own branch of cgminer available by the time sticks are received- which is good news for you overclockers who want to push sticks over 250 MHz. Excellent Though I haven't had much trouble getting past 250, the new initialization routines should make it easier to get it above...wherever I left off. What kind of cooling would we need to keep a stick at 250mhz? xD A small fan will do. I've always been a fan (hah.) of the Arctic Breeze Mobile [arctic.ac] - a USB-powered fan on a flexible neck for easy positioning with plenty of air movement and relatively quiet. Though at 250, it's really not getting all that hot and even more silent options are available. As long as you keep the hot air moving off of the heat sink, there's not that much difference between a gentle breeze and a hurricane.
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September 04, 2015, 10:09:50 AM |
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What kind of cooling would we need to keep a stick at 250mhz? xD A small fan will do. I've always been a fan (hah.) of the Arctic Breeze Mobile [arctic.ac] - a USB-powered fan on a flexible neck for easy positioning with plenty of air movement and relatively quiet. Though at 250, it's really not getting all that hot and even more silent options are available. As long as you keep the hot air moving off of the heat sink, there's not that much difference between a gentle breeze and a hurricane. Very nice then. I got 2 of those exact artic usb fan as a bonus for buying some hardware from a user here. I'm guessing its not exactly efficient to run one for one usb stick but hey whatever. Lottery ticket man!
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TheRealSteve
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September 04, 2015, 10:22:34 AM |
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I'm guessing its not exactly efficient to run one for one usb stick but hey whatever. Lottery ticket man!
Better for multiple units, but then again, it's only about a 190mA draw for one of those fans (260mA stall; don't stall them Also don't obstruct them at the back - you get airflow reversal) and given the FUN > ROI for even these mighty Compacs, yeah, it doesn't matter too much
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September 04, 2015, 10:28:27 AM |
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philipma1957
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September 04, 2015, 11:48:09 AM Last edit: September 04, 2015, 12:03:36 PM by philipma1957 |
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