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Question: Satellites show no warming in 21 years.
Does not matter, other evidence leads me to believe it is warming. - 9 (39.1%)
If the satellites say that, then it has not been warming for 21 years. - 7 (30.4%)
Uncertain - 2 (8.7%)
The Ice Age is Nigh! - 5 (21.7%)
Total Voters: 23

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July 21, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
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The fact that global warming is occurring is not really disputed.  The issue is how much are man made causes contributing to that warming and is it worth the cost to alter those causes.
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July 21, 2015, 11:59:36 PM
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The fact that global warming is occurring is not really disputed.  The issue is how much are man made causes contributing to that warming and is it worth the cost to alter those causes.

Good point.  The poll question does not address causation, man made or natural.
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July 23, 2015, 02:19:46 PM
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From https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/180209-2015-07-21-satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-22nd-year-without-global.htm.

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Here is the summary:

After September of this year, the Earth will be entering its 22nd year without a statistically significant warming trend, according to satellite-derived temperature data.

Since September 1994, University of Alabama in Huntsville's satellite temperature data has shown no statistically significant global warming trend. For over 20 years there's been no warming trend apparent in the satellite records and will soon be entering into year 22 with no warming trend apparent in satellite data — which examines the lowest few miles of the Earth's atmosphere.

Satellite data from the Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) group also shows a prolonged "hiatus" in global warming.

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Yes, this is the question of the poll.

On the one hand, you have satellite sensors which show no warming.

On the other hand, you have land based sensors which do appear to show warming.

LOL...I find it rather interesting.  It's a scientific controversy really.  But answers can and will be based on personal experience, other evidence, political beliefs, etc.  Answer anyway you feel is correct.

I find personal anecdotes to be unconvincing ('when I was little, it was never this hot,' etc.). These offer no real value because of how unreliable the information is. Memory is notoriously faulty, not to mention perception bias, confirmation bias, etc. which can alter how memories are remembered. It seems to me it's best to stick with data when making any case, and at least the satellite data is still data, even if some people take issue with its accuracy or the method in which it is gathered. Anecdotes are not data that can be quantified and measured, and offer no real value to the topic.

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July 23, 2015, 02:35:52 PM
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I find personal anecdotes to be unconvincing ('when I was little, it was never this hot,' etc.). These offer no real value because of how unreliable the information is. Memory is notoriously faulty, not to mention perception bias, confirmation bias, etc. which can alter how memories are remembered. It seems to me it's best to stick with data when making any case, and at least the satellite data is still data, even if some people take issue with its accuracy or the method in which it is gathered. Anecdotes are not data that can be quantified and measured, and offer no real value to the topic.
I wouldn't agree with this. It can be faulty but it doesn't have to be necessarily faulty. If I ask 100 random people about weather conditions and they all have similar answers, would you say that is unreliable be cause it comes from personal experience?
I can clearly recall summers and how I had to endure them through years. It is getting harder, end of story.

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I find personal anecdotes to be unconvincing ('when I was little, it was never this hot,' etc.). These offer no real value because of how unreliable the information is. Memory is notoriously faulty, not to mention perception bias, confirmation bias, etc. which can alter how memories are remembered. It seems to me it's best to stick with data when making any case, and at least the satellite data is still data, even if some people take issue with its accuracy or the method in which it is gathered. Anecdotes are not data that can be quantified and measured, and offer no real value to the topic.
My point was simply that people WILL answer on any basis they feel like.  I have no desire to prod them to answer "scientifically" or "ethically" or whatever.  And I know for a fact it's hotter today than it's ever been.

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