4Grinz Bitcoin Casino Official Thread

[redditisforhippies]

dooglus, I feel confident that all casinos that run the coingaming.io platform are corrupt. Bait & switch that could not be more obvious. All of these coinggaming.io ran casinos have had red flags galore from the start. For instance: bitcasino.io hosting pirated slots. Maybe I should have clarified this. However, you should always side with the players in these kind of cases. You have an owner having a hissy fit the second he/she is questioned. A owner that is in control of peoples money the second they deposit. A casino that is as shady as they come.

Now, I do not want to be lynched here as you are well respected on this forum but one could say you do the same provably fair or not: prey on kids. Maybe that's why in my case you decided to not side with the player?

[dooglus]

Now, I do not want to be lynched here as you are well respected on this forum but one could say you do the same provably fair or not: prey on kids. Maybe that's why in my case you decided to not side with the player?

I'm not siding with the casino. I think the guy who is speaking for them is either badly misinformed or deliberately deceptive. But I don't think it's fair to jump from that to "any therefore he's a scammer". For some reason he is unwilling or unable to understand how the idea of provable fairness could help his business, and that is concerning.

It's like the difference between a casino saying:

  "we have 1000 BTC put aside to pay out jackpots - look, here's the address, here's a signature proving we control that address"

and a casino saying:

  "we have 1000 BTC put aside to pay out jackpots - we don't want to show you where, but look, here's a certificate saying we have it"

Which one would you rather play at?

Does 4grinz publish their cold storage address by the way? I don't think anyone asked about that yet.

[joksim299]

While provably fair systems apply to dice scenarios, as has been so painstakingly noted by dooglus, it does not apply to a slots scenarios. Provably Fair was never developed, nor intended for slots. Moreover, we don't host dice games at 4Grinz.com. But thank you for that eloquent and detailed breakdown. We hope that dice players find this useful, however, we doubt they will be searching the 4Grinz.com Official Thread for advice on games we don't actually host on our platform.  

Satoshibet has provably fair slots! And SwissSoft has some. I will only play @4Grinz if I win 10 free mB

[BayAreaCoins]

[shitaifan2013]

Now, I do not want to be lynched here as you are well respected on this forum but one could say you do the same provably fair or not: prey on kids. Maybe that's why in my case you decided to not side with the player?

I'm not siding with the casino. I think the guy who is speaking for them is either badly misinformed or deliberately deceptive. But I don't think it's fair to jump from that to "any therefore he's a scammer". For some reason he is unwilling or unable to understand how the idea of provable fairness could help his business, and that is concerning.

It's like the difference between a casino saying:

  "we have 1000 BTC put aside to pay out jackpots - look, here's the address, here's a signature proving we control that address"

and a casino saying:

  "we have 1000 BTC put aside to pay out jackpots - we don't want to show you where, but look, here's a certificate saying we have it"

Which one would you rather play at?

Does 4grinz publish their cold storage address by the way? I don't think anyone asked about that yet.

no published cold wallet yet, afaik. but so far I didn't bother them with that additional topic, since theyre not taking investments.

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

[dooglus]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

[shitaifan2013]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

yep, that's what I expect too.

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

[BayAreaCoins]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

yep, that's what I expect too.

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

A Crypto Gaming Commission  

[dooglus]

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

A Crypto Gaming Commission  

We could sell certificates maybe?

"Certified Provably Fair"?

Then the people who think that appeal to authority proves something could proudly display their certification for all to see. 

[shitaifan2013]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

yep, that's what I expect too.

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

A Crypto Gaming Commission  

no, nothing lawskyesque  

I was thinking more of a guideline that helps new operators from getting ripped apart in here at first sight while still benefiting players

[BayAreaCoins]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

yep, that's what I expect too.

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

A Crypto Gaming Commission  

no, nothing lawskyesque  

I was thinking more of a guideline that helps new operators from getting ripped apart in here at first sight while still benefiting players

I was more thinking along the lines where Doog was headed .

[shitaifan2013]

though it would be nice, if they could prove the almost 900 btc max jackpot announced on their site  

It's probably something like 100 jackpots of 9 BTC each, like that other old-style casino that was advertising 60k jackpots. The advertised amount is the total of all the jackpots, not an actual amount they have available to win.

yep, that's what I expect too.

maybe it is time that we as a crypto gambling community start to engrave our shared visions of industry-wide minimum standards into stone to help new operators set up their business with those requirements.

at least I feel like almost everyone who has been in crpyto gambling for a while would appreciate stuff like signed cold wallets, verifiable provably fair methods etc.

A Crypto Gaming Commission  

no, nothing lawskyesque  

I was thinking more of a guideline that helps new operators from getting ripped apart in here at first sight while still benefiting players

I was more thinking along the lines where Doog was headed .

me too isnt that what lawsky is doing? setting up the licensing rules and then found a company that helps opertors in applying for that license( for money ofc)

[FanEagle]

Sounds like a great deal!now we should put it in action

[Cyrax89721]

Thanks for the plug.  Dean did also say that his provably fair slots should be implemented in the near future.

[shitaifan2013]

@4grinz: still here? if so, you might wanna check out https://bitbandit.eu/

[4Grinz.com]

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[Cyrax89721]

Will the drawing be provably fair?

[panjul07]

Will the drawing be provably fair?

Do you mean the drawing of the free 10mbtc? If so I think it is not too important to be provably fair because it is free, but of course it will be better if it is provably fair. Perhaps they use something like random.org to draw the winners.

[Cyrax89721]

Will the drawing be provably fair?

Do you mean the drawing of the free 10mbtc? If so I think it is not too important to be provably fair because it is free, but of course it will be better if it is provably fair. Perhaps they use something like random.org to draw the winners.

haha...  I thought it would be more obvious I was joking.

[nickaizoku]

Will the drawing be provably fair?

Do you mean the drawing of the free 10mbtc? If so I think it is not too important to be provably fair because it is free, but of course it will be better if it is provably fair. Perhaps they use something like random.org to draw the winners.

btw if use random.org its almost provably fair XD good luck all, btw this contest until sept is it.