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July 25, 2015, 09:30:33 AM
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I dont think that positive trust is a must to a member, but if you want to get it means that you must working hard on it. Being trustworthy person is not an easy thing. But from what I learn, most positive trust is coming when you a member made some succeed trades with other members. Perhaps you can try it (selling/buying/lending) something, but dont forget to use an escrow. Smiley

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July 25, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
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I dont think that positive trust is a must to a member

This is true.

but if you want to get it means that you must working hard on it. Being trustworthy person is not an easy thing.

This isn't true. You just need to trade normally. And since when was being trustworthy hard - all you have to do is not scam people?

But from what I learn, most positive trust is coming when you a member made some succeed trades with other members. Perhaps you can try it (selling/buying/lending) something, but dont forget to use an escrow. Smiley

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July 25, 2015, 01:58:21 PM
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Most people do not need to be trusted and it is hard to gain. Having trust does give you some advantages though. I have a pretty good rating and do benefit from that pretty often (people who prove themselves do deserve some rewards for it). I think the system here while not perfect does work pretty well overall. Just like everyone else said - be honest, make trades, and contribute and you will slowly gain it.

it's honestly not that hard to gain, as long as you go into trading with the mindset to complete successful trades while making money, NOT to just gain trust.  If your goal is to gain trust, you'll actually find it harder to accomplish.
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July 25, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
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Most people do not need to be trusted and it is hard to gain. Having trust does give you some advantages though. I have a pretty good rating and do benefit from that pretty often (people who prove themselves do deserve some rewards for it). I think the system here while not perfect does work pretty well overall. Just like everyone else said - be honest, make trades, and contribute and you will slowly gain it.

it's honestly not that hard to gain, as long as you go into trading with the mindset to complete successful trades while making money, NOT to just gain trust.  If your goal is to gain trust, you'll actually find it harder to accomplish.

Exactly. You trade when you need to, the point of trading is to trade, not to gain some internet points so you can seem like a trustworthy person. If you get positive trust, that's nice, and if it's from someone on DefaultTrust, that's nice too. But that's all it is. It isn't important. Even a lot of untrusted rep usually makes you somewhat "trusted".

 
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July 25, 2015, 02:31:26 PM
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There are a number of people who actually trade with their alts and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after). Puzzel.me comes to mind as an example of who engages in this activity.

I have also seen a number of people give trust feedback to their own alts (and sometimes trade trust when no trades actually occur). Both candystripes and moreia come to mind as examples of people who engaged in this activity.

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July 25, 2015, 02:39:01 PM
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and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.

 
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July 25, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
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and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.

There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.

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July 25, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
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and use various escrows who are in the default trust network for the sole purpose of getting a trusted trust feedback (they may not always trade with themselves, however escrows on DT who give trust after every trade appear to be highly sought after).

This pisses me off to no end. There is no reason to give positive feedback to people you escrowed a deal for. Nothing is displayed that warrants that, the escrow does not actually risk anything - if someone doesn't send, they just return the goods/BTC of the person who did send. There is pretty much no reason for the escrow to be giving positive rep. Unfortunately, this happens a lot and you see lots of inflated trust scores with people who have 0-BTC risked trust all over the place.
I personally will very rarely leave positive trust when I escrow and when I do, it will be after a number of smooth deals that are large in size and I am confident that the person I am leaving trust for is not trying to farm trust; but even then I will generally not proactively leave trust (they will need to ask).

I have discussed this issue with a number of other escrows and I will generally give the same opinion as yours. The viewpoint that is usually given to me is that there should be a record of a successful trade, although I have noticed that some of these escrows have started leaving neutral instead of positive ratings.

The new trust algo has made it more difficult to farm trust this way because only the first trust rating you get from someone will count towards your trust score. Previously getting 4 trust ratings from an escrow in the default trust network would mean the calculation would factor in all 4 ratings.

There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.
If TBZ did work upfront then received payment after the fact then he risked not receiving payment and this is the definition of when trust should be left (even though they are for small amounts). Generally speaking, if you risk money with someone in a trade then you should certainly leave a trust rating.

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July 25, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
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Hallo!
How to get +Trust?
I just know trust in get because someone has the potential, or trustworthy. if I could be a trustworthy person so I can get +Trust Smiley

If anyone needs help me, please .. I would be happy to help her .. Wink

If you fear that my scam, I can show my full personal data Wink
There is no market to gain trust , trust is something that is built over time from successful trades and other stuffs.
Other stuffs Include:
1. helping the forum members,specially Newbies and helping forum to prevent spam.
2. Being in some Escrow services.

Moreover the Trust does reflect much what kind of people you are , if you have good deep trust then other trader can go first analysing the the risk.
Better for you is to forget all these things , spend more time here , do indulge yourself in constructive work and trades and you will get a lot of feedbacks.

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July 25, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
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There are valid situations for escrow leaving a positive feedback. Eg:- if the trade had a big amount or if the trade took a long time and if there was good involvement from buyer/seller, then leaving a feedback is good. But leaving feedback for each and every trades escrowed or each and every trades done is not at all a good idea especially if the user is in default trust list. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=223869, for example. TBZ should not leave feedback like that IMHO.

Even though the amount may be big, the person canno be termed trusted with just one transation IMO. If the person keeps trading with another for a long time, it's fine but if escrow is used, then only escrow deserves a feedback and not the two users.

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