Cricket match prediction discussions

[Haunebu]

The general claim here in the forum is that, there must be a quota system. Let the respective Cricket board gets the authority to select the best team possible and not enforce these quota system.

I completely agree with you here. I detest these quota systems which is why it's good to see Cricket teams from around the world accepting foreign players without any sort of issues whatsoever.

As you mentioned, Cricket teams should continue to have full liberty to choose whoever they want(Domestic or Foreign) without any sort of restrictions in my opinion.

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[vennali]

I am not sure why ICC alone is a corrupt one because they are allowing countries to add foreign players in their team. It is a global governing body for cricket and they want to see the game grow and reducing the number of countries who are allowing foreign players will not help developing the game.

It is not a business policy by the ICC but if a respective Cricket board selects players who are migrants, what is wrong in that. The general claim here in the forum is that, there must be a quota system. Let the respective Cricket board gets the authority to select the best team possible and not enforce these quota system.

Its not just Cricket that does it. Every sport does it. Why do you think literally every countries top Badminton and Table tennis players look Asian? because they are. Football does it too. France have a ton of imports and so does Qatar and other middle eastern teams. So, Cricket isn't an exception where countries are getting imports into the sport. The way most sports do it is by providing the players with citizenship to their country and then let them play. International sports governing bodies should put in a rule so that countries cant take major advantage of it. Like, a rule stating that a Sportsman should be a citizen of the country for at least 5-10 years before he can participate in a particular sport. That would surely help curb the cases.

[Tony116]

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I am not sure why ICC alone is a corrupt one because they are allowing countries to add foreign players in their team. It is a global governing body for cricket and they want to see the game grow and reducing the number of countries who are allowing foreign players will not help developing the game.

It is not a business policy by the ICC but if a respective Cricket board selects players who are migrants, what is wrong in that. The general claim here in the forum is that, there must be a quota system. Let the respective Cricket board gets the authority to select the best team possible and not enforce these quota system.

Under the current situation, I think it is better to actually not have a team that is made entirely out of foreign players rather than having them just to increase the number of cricket-playing countries around the world. Because of these countries, a lot of countries who are actually interested in cricket but not very rich and also don’t get the necessary funding from ICC are not being able to produce genuine talent, genuine local talent.

Its not just Cricket that does it. Every sport does it. Why do you think literally every countries top Badminton and Table tennis players look Asian? because they are. Football does it too. France have a ton of imports and so does Qatar and other middle eastern teams. So, Cricket isn't an exception where countries are getting imports into the sport. The way most sports do it is by providing the players with citizenship to their country and then let them play. International sports governing bodies should put in a rule so that countries cant take major advantage of it. Like, a rule stating that a Sportsman should be a citizen of the country for at least 5-10 years before he can participate in a particular sport. That would surely help curb the cases.

If a Player who Wants to play for another country has been staying in that country for several years and if the country can make him a citizen of them, I don’t have any problem. But the way it is done in cricket is that they just collect players from India and Pakistan who are not playing generally very well and get them in the team. It is basically like smurfing in video games.

The general claim here in the forum is that, there must be a quota system. Let the respective Cricket board gets the authority to select the best team possible and not enforce these quota system.

I completely agree with you here. I detest these quota systems which is why it's good to see Cricket teams from around the world accepting foreign players without any sort of issues whatsoever.
As you mentioned, Cricket teams should continue to have full liberty to choose whoever they want(Domestic or Foreign) without any sort of restrictions in my opinion.

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Do you think they are going to search for the local talent or they are just going to take the easy way and form a team with Indian players who are willing to play for Nepal?

This causes two problems. First of all, Nepalese are not playing cricket actually and that is not going to increase the popularity of cricket. secondly, The team who are actually trying to find local talents but still not very good at cricket are not going to be able to come forward.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

What is the point in having these artificial "national" teams? The ICC should just admit that cricket is a sport that is limited to a handful of countries. They should be honest, rather than creating illogical national teams. Once again, I don't have an issue if 2 or 3 foreigners are present in the playing XI. But in 80% of the associate teams, all the 11 players in the XI are made of foreigners. During the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, we had one such team (Oman) and for the next edition of the world cup there will be more (Oman, United Arab Emirates and Singapore).

It's discussed many times that teams like uae and Oman can afford imported players from South Asia and as a result native teams of Nepal and other associate nations suffers since they can't afford imported players from other countries.  Uae hosts HQ of ICC so that's why icc giving such incentives to this region.

[DanWalker]

We all have a very good idea now that ICC is anything but honest. They are always going to look for profits instead of thinking about what is best for cricket in the long run. And that is happening because of some corrupt authority personnel in the ICC. Everyone should have a problem if a national team is made out of a hundred percent foreign players. Here we are talking about how to fix this situation and meanwhile, we have more teams like that about to take part in the next World Cup. It feels as if ICC is actually encouraging this type of behavior or should I say “Business Policy.” This needs to be stopped ASAP.

ICC is mostly headed by Australia and England now in last two decades we have few changes, but policies are still as we have few decades back sadly the change is also having no major impact even few corrupt peoples are joined, and they are bringing same policies which are helpful for few peoples and most are not having any positive return from this.

As we all know Olympics is the biggest even, and we are not in because of ICC policies, and they never like to join this as it can hurt their stake mean for this they have to bring some big changes, and it's not acceptable for B-3 so with this all we have to live in this hell world and never accept any positive and solid policy for bright future of cricket.

The main problem is that in the 2007 World Cup ICC tried to play it with a lot of teams. If I am not wrong 16 teams played in that World Cup end it was a disaster for the better teams. A lot of big names were eliminated in that World Cup by smaller teams. And that caused a lot of less revenue to be generated.

That also hurt ICC funding as well. It is like the ICC and the top four teams made it back that the World Cup is going to be played with less teams so that the revenue is going to be higher but if they did continue with having a lot more teams in the World Cup it would have made a lot more revenue than they are making right now.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

The main problem is that in the 2007 World Cup ICC tried to play it with a lot of teams. If I am not wrong 16 teams played in that World Cup end it was a disaster for the better teams. A lot of big names were eliminated in that World Cup by smaller teams. And that caused a lot of less revenue to be generated.

That also hurt ICC funding as well. It is like the ICC and the top four teams made it back that the World Cup is going to be played with less teams so that the revenue is going to be higher but if they did continue with having a lot more teams in the World Cup it would have made a lot more revenue than they are making right now.

6 associate teams including Bermuda, Canada and Netherlands were part of that worldcup. I do agree that so many associate teams destroy the level of competition. Only good performing associate teams like Ireland and Afghanistan should be included in such top level tournaments.

[ilovealtcoins]

Its not just Cricket that does it. Every sport does it. Why do you think literally every countries top Badminton and Table tennis players look Asian? because they are. Football does it too. France have a ton of imports and so does Qatar and other middle eastern teams. So, Cricket isn't an exception where countries are getting imports into the sport. The way most sports do it is by providing the players with citizenship to their country and then let them play. International sports governing bodies should put in a rule so that countries cant take major advantage of it. Like, a rule stating that a Sportsman should be a citizen of the country for at least 5-10 years before he can participate in a particular sport. That would surely help curb the cases.

In other Sports, it is not as big of a problem as it is in cricket. cricket because of this cricket itself is not being able to get popularized by the whole world. in any other sports this is probably a problem but not as outrageous as it is in cricket. in cricket, all of these problems can be solved by just forcing the country to give the players citizenship.

[Haunebu]

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.

Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.

Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

Yes India have far better players when compared to counties like Zimbabwe, Afghanistan while average it compared with countries like Australia or Pakistan. India just have money because of there population. Why Nepal should hire foreign players ? It must be made compulsory that every country must have players of native origin.

[KennyR]

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.

Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

Yes India have far better players when compared to counties like Zimbabwe, Afghanistan while average it compared with countries like Australia or Pakistan. India just have money because of there population. Why Nepal should hire foreign players ? It must be made compulsory that every country must have players of native origin.

This is upto the respective cricket board. Some cricket board allow people from other countries into the team. This isn't happening with Asian countries. Mostly this happens with Western nations just because the country have got Asian migrants. Few of the teams that have got good number of Asian players are Canada, Germany. Maybe in future when native people get more interested towards cricket the opportunity of the migrants can shrunk.

[Theones]

The case with Emirates such as Sharjah, Abu Dhabi and Dubai is different from what we have in countries such as Canada and the United States. In the UAE, the ruling class splurge a lot of money in cricket and the huge expat population also supports the activity. But in countries such as the United States, the government agencies are not very enthusiastic about cricket, and the main reason is that cricket is not an Olympic sport. In UAE, they don't care much about revenues and profits, but those in North America don't have that luxury.

Cricket seems to be a game of 3rd world countries

Most of the countries of the world don't accept cricket. But still it is appreciable because people have a strong interest in cricket. We know that this game has already started in several countries as new. Hopefully in the near future more countries will start this game and we will have good cricket.

Cricket is more common is South Asia. India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan produce some very amazing player. The best one is Imran Khan.
I love Imran Khan. He was an amazing player now is also getting so popular for his vision. God bless him

[wiss19]

The main problem is that in the 2007 World Cup ICC tried to play it with a lot of teams. If I am not wrong 16 teams played in that World Cup end it was a disaster for the better teams. A lot of big names were eliminated in that World Cup by smaller teams. And that caused a lot of less revenue to be generated.

That also hurt ICC funding as well. It is like the ICC and the top four teams made it back that the World Cup is going to be played with less teams so that the revenue is going to be higher but if they did continue with having a lot more teams in the World Cup it would have made a lot more revenue than they are making right now.

6 associate teams including Bermuda, Canada and Netherlands were part of that worldcup. I do agree that so many associate teams destroy the level of competition. Only good performing associate teams like Ireland and Afghanistan should be included in such top level tournaments.

Now we can't do anything which happen fifteen years back, but we can do some better things for future cricket which are very important and applicable for all if ICC having any positive mindset for cricket because right now they are just trying to have some bad tactics which are surely hurting cricket.

Even we have now better system League system is operating, and associate countries are playing in their relative league for promotion which is giving them good experience but still we have big gaped which need to reduced with few laws and funding from ICC for these countries.
But for me in next few years we need to close this ODI chapter and having some better intention for T-10 and T-20 leagues with Test matches for having better results and more fan base in all countries.

[Sithara007]

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Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

This is a ridiculous suggestion. Nepal doesn't want to import players, because then the Nepal national team will become India or Pakistan B team. National teams are there for a reason. National teams showcase the talent and diversity that is available in a country. That is why Germans and Belgians are very excited about the national teams for football, field hockey and basketball, but not so for cricket. Their football teams do have a couple of imports, but the team is 80% native. On the other hand, their cricket teams don't have a single native player. There is nothing German about the German cricket team and the government has also refused to recognize the team as theirs.

[Tony116]

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.

Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

I don’t think that should be the case because a team should not be able to just get anyone in the team. They should at least be a citizen of the country. If that is the case then the county that only has a really good amount of money is going to be the better team. And the countries which are poor will not be going anywhere even if they try really hard. I am a firm believer in utilizing whatever resources I have so my opinion can be different from a lot of other people's. In my opinion, a country should only play with the players that are either born or citizens of that country.

[JohnBitCo]

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.

Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

To start off, yes, they can hire foreign players to build a strong team but at the same time, they should start building up their cricket domestic structure so that in the future, they do not have to hire players outside their country. Another thing is that they should immediately hire foreign batting and bowling coach so that the team could work on their form and practice.

[CryptoBuds]

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.
Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

To start off, yes, they can hire foreign players to build a strong team but at the same time, they should start building up their cricket domestic structure so that in the future, they do not have to hire players outside their country. Another thing is that they should immediately hire foreign batting and bowling coach so that the team could work on their form and practice.

I don't see any fault in forming a team with foreign players. But I agree with you that they should build a domestic structure. Foreign players alone should not be relied upon. Because, relying only on foreign players will not increase the popularity of cricket in the country. They should launch domestic leagues, at the same time try to find young talent.

[DanWalker]

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6 associate teams including Bermuda, Canada and Netherlands were part of that worldcup. I do agree that so many associate teams destroy the level of competition. Only good performing associate teams like Ireland and Afghanistan should be included in such top level tournaments.

Now we can't do anything which happen fifteen years back, but we can do some better things for future cricket which are very important and applicable for all if ICC having any positive mindset for cricket because right now they are just trying to have some bad tactics which are surely hurting cricket.
Even we have now better system League system is operating, and associate countries are playing in their relative league for promotion which is giving them good experience but still we have big gaped which need to reduced with few laws and funding from ICC for these countries.
But for me in next few years we need to close this ODI chapter and having some better intention for T-10 and T-20 leagues with Test matches for having better results and more fan base in all countries.

I don’t think test match is going to be the way to go. It is actually going to be better if the T20 and T10 format is given a big push. T20 is already very popular and I think the T10 format is going to be even more popular. So, these two formats are going to be the best option for ICC to increase regular cricket playing teams, but the problem is I don’t think ICC is going to be very interested in increasing teams that will play cricket regularly. For generating more revenue they will be promoting the T10 format, and that is going to bring in more teams eventually.

[Tony116]

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Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

This is a ridiculous suggestion. Nepal doesn't want to import players, because then the Nepal national team will become India or Pakistan B team. National teams are there for a reason. National teams showcase the talent and diversity that is available in a country. That is why Germans and Belgians are very excited about the national teams for football, field hockey and basketball, but not so for cricket. Their football teams do have a couple of imports, but the team is 80% native. On the other hand, their cricket teams don't have a single native player. There is nothing German about the German cricket team and the government has also refused to recognize the team as theirs.

Yeah, I know what Nepal is trying to do or not. It's a stupid thing that people don’t understand I was just trying to present a made-up situation. I was just trying to portray what might have happened if certain things were done in a certain way. We see that almost every associate team which is rich is stacking the team with Indian and Pakistan players who are not so good by the southeast Asian standards and they don’t get any chance to play in the India or Pakistan team.

So they end up playing for teams like UAE. And this ends up hurting the teams that are actually trying to make a team with their own citizen a lot. I think it should be simple. If you have genuine players in your own country you go play cricket and if you don’t, don’t play.

[UmerIdrees]

I don’t agree at all because suppose India has a lot of players who are not very good by the standards of Indian cricket. And Nepal wants to form a cricket team and play in the World Cup. Nothing serious but Nepal just wants to try things out.

Every country has some players who aren't really good Cricketers(Not just India), but Indian cricketers are usually far better than cricketers from several countries primarily due to their intense passion and competitiveness.
Also, if Nepal wants to recruit foreign players to build their team, that's an excellent move since they could actually compete with other teams.

To start off, yes, they can hire foreign players to build a strong team but at the same time, they should start building up their cricket domestic structure so that in the future, they do not have to hire players outside their country. Another thing is that they should immediately hire foreign batting and bowling coach so that the team could work on their form and practice.

I don't see any fault in forming a team with foreign players. But I agree with you that they should build a domestic structure. Foreign players alone should not be relied upon. Because, relying only on foreign players will not increase the popularity of cricket in the country. They should launch domestic leagues, at the same time try to find young talent.

The perfect example for this is the UAE. Cricket has been popular in UAE since long time and Sharjah cricket stadium is famous to held the matches between India, Pakistan, and WestIndies in the 80s and 90s. Despite so much interest in cricket, we still don't have a good national team for UAE because they do not have a domestic structure for cricket.
For Nepal, the focus should be their local talent and they should try to build a team with locals only. This will be beneficial for them in the long run.

[Sithara007]

The perfect example for this is the UAE. Cricket has been popular in UAE since long time and Sharjah cricket stadium is famous to held the matches between India, Pakistan, and WestIndies in the 80s and 90s. Despite so much interest in cricket, we still don't have a good national team for UAE because they do not have a domestic structure for cricket.
For Nepal, the focus should be their local talent and they should try to build a team with locals only. This will be beneficial for them in the long run.

Not sure whether it is beneficial for them, at least in terms of finances. The current model of ICC fund distribution favors stronger teams. So if a 100% foreigner team manages to defeat a 100% native team, the former will get much more funds from the ICC when compared to the latter. For teams such as Nepal, Argentina, Israel and Kenya, the fund allocation from ICC is now a small fraction of the previous level which they used to receive. And for teams such as Oman and Germany, the allocation has actually gone up.