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October 21, 2022, 03:25:06 PM
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I feel that this is a very delicate situation for both the team’s and ICC, and instead of giving statements in media they should all sit down in a room and discuss what’s the best way to defuse this situation. Furthermore I feel that if ICC fail’s to resolve this then that’s why the point of having them, but i do understand that it won’t be easy for ICC and lastly I’m sure that we’ll be seeing more drama from both the team’s over these issue’s.

Personally I believe that Jay Shah was not serious when he talked about not traveling to Pakistan for the world cup. He just wanted to divert attention from some of the other issues (check my previous posts). In the end, I believe that there will be no issues and India will travel to take part in the Asia Cup. And similarly, Pakistan will participate in the ODI World Cup of 2023. By now, it looks as if Shah got what he wanted. He will keep quiet for sometime, unless there is a requirement to again perform the verbal diarrhoea to divert attention from some other topic.

I don't think Jay Shah has a problem with it happening in Pakistan. If it was between the boards, the countries would play a lot. But the actual decision will be made by the government of India. And given the current situation between these two countries, India may very well not travel to Pakistan or the tournament will be moved to a neutral venue. The political tension isn't getting any better. Saying that there will be no issues seem extremely optimistic.

Pakistan did the same thing in 2018 and the tournament was moved to UAE. Political tensions were pretty bad then too.

Also I believe the primary reason for the government to go is not security but bad history between the countries (the terror attacks on India).
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October 21, 2022, 03:59:31 PM
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Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.
It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.
I won't use the word Pakistan here but PCB (because when it comes to Pakistan then state sponsor terrorism comes to my mind tbh, they are in FATF grey list for a reason after all).
IMO PCB has every right to oppose the BCCI proposal be it organizing the Asia cup at their home without the Indian team or boycotting the next 50overs WC but at the same time they should be ready for backfire in the future when they are not getting their share of the revenue from the ICC, every time they are boycotting the ICC tournament in India
And i would like to add that it should be the same for BCCI.
Frankly, I am willing to defend Pakistan here. You cannot call a country "sponsor of terrorism" just because some dumb people bombs themselves in the name of religion. You also cannot call a country terrorist just because some other country listed them as terrorists when that certain country was the one to teach terrorism in the first place. Anyway, I will not pay attention to any political stuff anymore.

I think the Pakistan cricket board has the absolute right to host the Asia Cup in their own country. For a long time, international cricket was not played in Pakistan let alone any tournament until recently. This is the start of something good and I really do not think that the BCCI has any right to damage that or stop that from happening.


In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

ICC can't do anything in this case, just they can stop funding or again this crap Pig-3 like drama can happen because most of the time these have power to blackmail small boards in these cases with their power and resources. Right now, BCCI is under pressure due to inner policies so most chances we will have no favourable decisions for Pakistan, but things could be changed in the future, and they could be down on earth with this all.
I have always said that the problem is that the people in power are really narrow-minded and quite racist, to be honest. They don't want the conflict to end. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any problems like this. They just want to watch the other suffer.
Most people lose their common sense when they get into power. Under the influence of power, they start behaving differently towards the weaker. But they forget that power is not permanent. There will come at a stage when that ability will no longer exist.

For the good approach of cricket, Pakistan should be given the opportunity to hold the Asia Cup without taking any negativity. It would be better if Asian countries support it instead of opposing it. They have already announced that they will not participate in the World Cup if the next Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan. And it is also a threat to cricket. Many may say that nothing matters if they participate or not. In that case, there is a word that nothing happens without a single country. But there will be some temporary effect and it will be fixed later. But cricket will lose its respect.

I feel that this is a very delicate situation for both the team’s and ICC, and instead of giving statements in media they should all sit down in a room and discuss what’s the best way to defuse this situation. Furthermore I feel that if ICC fail’s to resolve this then that’s why the point of having them, but i do understand that it won’t be easy for ICC and lastly I’m sure that we’ll be seeing more drama from both the team’s over these issue’s.
Indeed, the ICC has acknowledged the difficult situation. It is also difficult task for them to solve it. On the one hand Pakistan will host and on the other hand India will not play. It seems that cricket is private property. He will do whatever he wants. If we look at FIFA, the decision they will give will be final there is no room for dissent. Even in this case, if the ICC had played that role, then there would not have been any adverse reaction between these two countries.

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Indeed, the ICC has acknowledged the difficult situation. It is also difficult task for them to solve it. On the one hand Pakistan will host and on the other hand India will not play. It seems that cricket is private property. He will do whatever he wants. If we look at FIFA, the decision they will give will be final there is no room for dissent. Even in this case, if the ICC had played that role, then there would not have been any adverse reaction between these two countries.

You can never compare the ICC with FIFA. ICC has just 12 full members. On the other hand, FIFA has more than 200 members, and all of them have equal voting rights. So it is possible in the ICC to have one or two members dominating the entire policy making process. But in FIFA, it is more difficult (but not impossible, as we saw how Qatar won the hosting rights for the world cup). Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.

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Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
Agreed completely.

This Jay Shutia freaking shah got on the wild horse and made a silly statement out of nowhere and triggered everyone. Would've been great if this statement came out during ACC meeting but no these folks keep getting drunk in the dry state of India every now n then.

Although he pointed out the obvious thing as far as BCCI is concerned but there are proper channels for that.

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October 23, 2022, 05:13:17 AM
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Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
Agreed completely.

This Jay Shutia freaking shah got on the wild horse and made a silly statement out of nowhere and triggered everyone. Would've been great if this statement came out during ACC meeting but no these folks keep getting drunk in the dry state of India every now n then.

Although he pointed out the obvious thing as far as BCCI is concerned but there are proper channels for that.

BCCI is biggest board and they can say whatever they want and no one will object on that since icc is firmly under BCCI control. Pakistan has gone to India to play World Cup and its first time in decade that BCCI is scheduled to play in Pakistan for an icc event. I don't think there is any excuse for that.

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October 23, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
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Indeed, the ICC has acknowledged the difficult situation. It is also difficult task for them to solve it. On the one hand Pakistan will host and on the other hand India will not play. It seems that cricket is private property. He will do whatever he wants. If we look at FIFA, the decision they will give will be final there is no room for dissent. Even in this case, if the ICC had played that role, then there would not have been any adverse reaction between these two countries.

You can never compare the ICC with FIFA. ICC has just 12 full members. On the other hand, FIFA has more than 200 members, and all of them have equal voting rights. So it is possible in the ICC to have one or two members dominating the entire policy making process. But in FIFA, it is more difficult (but not impossible, as we saw how Qatar won the hosting rights for the world cup). Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
Yes, I definitely can't compare ICC with FIFA. I know FIFA's position belongs to very high and have more members. Also there are more than billions of dollars involved in everyday. One of the most prosperous organization in the world. Can't be compared to them but there's nothing wrong with following them. Maybe there will be some obstacles too. But there are some things like biased behavior, focusing only on pecuniary interest etc. Which should be avoid by ICC. There will be no harm in following the positivities or the good aspects.

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October 23, 2022, 05:55:40 AM
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Yes, I definitely can't compare ICC with FIFA. I know FIFA's position belongs to very high and have more members. Also there are more than billions of dollars involved in everyday. One of the most prosperous organization in the world. Can't be compared to them but there's nothing wrong with following them. Maybe there will be some obstacles too. But there are some things like biased behavior, focusing only on pecuniary interest etc. Which should be avoid by ICC. There will be no harm in following the positivities or the good aspects.
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Fifa is not controlled by few countries since the whole world is involved in Fifa affairs. But in icc only big 3 are controlling whole icc. Its best in interest of big 3 that crikcer doesn't reach to new countries. The control of big 3 will be further tighten as IPL is getting bigger and bigger.

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October 23, 2022, 11:25:56 AM
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Indeed, the ICC has acknowledged the difficult situation. It is also difficult task for them to solve it. On the one hand Pakistan will host and on the other hand India will not play. It seems that cricket is private property. He will do whatever he wants. If we look at FIFA, the decision they will give will be final there is no room for dissent. Even in this case, if the ICC had played that role, then there would not have been any adverse reaction between these two countries.

You can never compare the ICC with FIFA. ICC has just 12 full members. On the other hand, FIFA has more than 200 members, and all of them have equal voting rights. So it is possible in the ICC to have one or two members dominating the entire policy making process. But in FIFA, it is more difficult (but not impossible, as we saw how Qatar won the hosting rights for the world cup). Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
Yes, I definitely can't compare ICC with FIFA. I know FIFA's position belongs to very high and have more members. Also there are more than billions of dollars involved in everyday. One of the most prosperous organization in the world. Can't be compared to them but there's nothing wrong with following them. Maybe there will be some obstacles too. But there are some things like biased behavior, focusing only on pecuniary interest etc. Which should be avoid by ICC. There will be no harm in following the positivities or the good aspects.
India now needs 55 runs form 25 ball. Now they have to take the faster pace to win the match.
Pakistan is in great strength - in my country the road are empty and everyone is watching the match. There are screen fixed everywhere. This match is the most watched match- read in other forum that 11 million viewer are watching match at this time

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October 23, 2022, 11:38:51 AM
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@BobK71 I love this forum because here we can give our viewpoint about anything, and we have to accept others argue as well even right now situation is not good in both countries and most chances India could be winner because of their money power because right now all points in their side, but one thing is sure Pakistan is also not weak as many are feeling even flood and political situation is not good, but it's all too early Asia Cup is going to hold after few months, so time is still with them but currently as
@JSRAW is saying state backed terrorist which is surely not good for me as well because it's just one side view, but we have to accept this they can tell as they also lost big in Afghanistan after Taliban back in power and USA is also playing his game just because of this lost.

Again back on cricket most chances Asia Cup will be moved to neutral place like we have last in the UAE, and then we have to wait for Pakistan move about their threat of boycotting world cup which is surely not realistic because this can give them big setback but here we have to wait for Indian response would they allow Pakistani team to travel in India it's also very important because right now right wing religious peoples are in complete control and government can take any decision which could be not good for Pakistan.
Haris Rauf bowling - india needs 29 run on 9 balls. Now only the mical can save the Indian team
Outstanding bowling from Haris Rauf - heart throbbing innings. Kohli hits 6 and now its 22 of 7 balls.

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October 23, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
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I feel that this is a very delicate situation for both the team’s and ICC, and instead of giving statements in media they should all sit down in a room and discuss what’s the best way to defuse this situation. Furthermore I feel that if ICC fail’s to resolve this then that’s why the point of having them, but i do understand that it won’t be easy for ICC and lastly I’m sure that we’ll be seeing more drama from both the team’s over these issue’s.

Personally I believe that Jay Shah was not serious when he talked about not traveling to Pakistan for the world cup. He just wanted to divert attention from some of the other issues (check my previous posts). In the end, I believe that there will be no issues and India will travel to take part in the Asia Cup. And similarly, Pakistan will participate in the ODI World Cup of 2023. By now, it looks as if Shah got what he wanted. He will keep quiet for sometime, unless there is a requirement to again perform the verbal diarrhoea to divert attention from some other topic.
India and Pakistan match is a kind of Desi Ashes.
There is always a big crowd and the excitement is at the peak - there is a huge fan following for both the countries and the fans and the crowd is the charged like crazy.

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October 23, 2022, 08:17:14 PM
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I feel that this is a very delicate situation for both the team’s and ICC, and instead of giving statements in media they should all sit down in a room and discuss what’s the best way to defuse this situation. Furthermore I feel that if ICC fail’s to resolve this then that’s why the point of having them, but i do understand that it won’t be easy for ICC and lastly I’m sure that we’ll be seeing more drama from both the team’s over these issue’s.
Personally I believe that Jay Shah was not serious when he talked about not traveling to Pakistan for the world cup. He just wanted to divert attention from some of the other issues (check my previous posts). In the end, I believe that there will be no issues and India will travel to take part in the Asia Cup. And similarly, Pakistan will participate in the ODI World Cup of 2023. By now, it looks as if Shah got what he wanted. He will keep quiet for sometime, unless there is a requirement to again perform the verbal diarrhoea to divert attention from some other topic.
India and Pakistan match is a kind of Desi Ashes.
There is always a big crowd and the excitement is at the peak - there is a huge fan following for both the countries and the fans and the crowd is the charged like crazy.

Sithara007, Actually, that is true. Right now everyone is talking about the issue of India not traveling to Pakistan. But meanwhile, Jay Shah got what he wanted. And actually, I would be very happy if there was no problem with the Asia Cup being hosted in Pakistan. They really needed it. But I have to say for some reason I actually expected this to happen. Whenever India versus Pakistan is being discussed, there always has to be some drama. Otherwise, it does not feel like India versus Pakistan.

Anyway, I don't think there will be any problems with Pakistan hosting the Asia Cup. And now I think the security is going to be better than ever in Pakistan.

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October 23, 2022, 08:38:51 PM
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Indeed, the ICC has acknowledged the difficult situation. It is also difficult task for them to solve it. On the one hand Pakistan will host and on the other hand India will not play. It seems that cricket is private property. He will do whatever he wants. If we look at FIFA, the decision they will give will be final there is no room for dissent. Even in this case, if the ICC had played that role, then there would not have been any adverse reaction between these two countries.

You can never compare the ICC with FIFA. ICC has just 12 full members. On the other hand, FIFA has more than 200 members, and all of them have equal voting rights. So it is possible in the ICC to have one or two members dominating the entire policy making process. But in FIFA, it is more difficult (but not impossible, as we saw how Qatar won the hosting rights for the world cup). Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
You are right here about comparison of FIFA and ICC, but I have another question why they are not adding more members for having voting right and why they are not doing things which are helpful for this game now it's 21st century, and you can do things very quickly even they are not giving funds to associate countries as they deserve, and they are encouraging countries which are not helpful for the development of this game specially Gulf region who is doing this all and what their target for this all these all questions looking for replies who will give this all.

These B-3 are never been interested in development of this game because their pockets are filled by their own ways which are not helpful for this game and development of many countries which are surely can do good for this game specially now introduction of T20, T10 and The Hundred formats we can bring good number of teams which is surely in great interest of this game.

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October 23, 2022, 08:46:53 PM
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Sithara007, Actually, that is true. Right now everyone is talking about the issue of India not traveling to Pakistan. But meanwhile, Jay Shah got what he wanted. And actually, I would be very happy if there was no problem with the Asia Cup being hosted in Pakistan. They really needed it. But I have to say for some reason I actually expected this to happen. Whenever India versus Pakistan is being discussed, there always has to be some drama. Otherwise, it does not feel like India versus Pakistan.

Anyway, I don't think there will be any problems with Pakistan hosting the Asia Cup. And now I think the security is going to be better than ever in Pakistan.
Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.

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October 23, 2022, 11:29:38 PM
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Sithara007, Actually, that is true. Right now everyone is talking about the issue of India not traveling to Pakistan. But meanwhile, Jay Shah got what he wanted. And actually, I would be very happy if there was no problem with the Asia Cup being hosted in Pakistan. They really needed it. But I have to say for some reason I actually expected this to happen. Whenever India versus Pakistan is being discussed, there always has to be some drama. Otherwise, it does not feel like India versus Pakistan.

Anyway, I don't think there will be any problems with Pakistan hosting the Asia Cup. And now I think the security is going to be better than ever in Pakistan.
Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.
India should come to Pakistan - I think Indians are very cheesy talking about their security - the real thing is they are not been allowed by their orthodox political parties to travel to Pakistan. Pakistani artist goes to the India but Indian artist hardly comes to the Pakistan

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October 24, 2022, 12:05:08 AM
Last edit: October 24, 2022, 02:19:15 AM by og kush420
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Personally, I believe that Jay Shah's statement was in bad taste and amounts to abuse of power. There is no reason to demand Asia Cup to be shifted out of Pakistan.
Agreed completely.

This Jay Shutia freaking shah got on the wild horse and made a silly statement out of nowhere and triggered everyone. Would've been great if this statement came out during ACC meeting but no these folks keep getting drunk in the dry state of India every now n then.

Although he pointed out the obvious thing as far as BCCI is concerned but there are proper channels for that.
Agreed  - but yesterday it was time for India to celebrate.
For India and Paksitan - the match is the most watched match - it is more important than playing final with any other team

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October 24, 2022, 07:14:02 AM
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Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.
Mate you are missing many things here because we are not talking about security and other facilities it's all about personal ego and showing power which is clearly in favor of Indian side, and they can do anything against Pakistan which is possible for them and Jay Shah which is clearly here on this post just because of his father he also has strong back from current government of India, and they are trying to set issue which was rising due to their outgoing president, so things surely are not good and flexible for Pakistan even they are in good shape about security and other facilities.

As a cricket fan I am really against few things which are creating issues, but we can't do anything just giving own view and reading others about this game and issues here as India and Pakistan having issues they need to do one thing just play this Asia cup on neutral place because right now we have few countries which can do this easily like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, UAE and Oman so this will be good for the game and this region otherwise things are going to be more troubled with the help of these corrupt politicians.

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Last edit: October 25, 2022, 03:12:51 AM by Sithara007
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Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.

In the end, it comes to security. If countries such as England and Australia are ready to visit Pakistan, then India can't give any excuse other than the lack of permission to do so from the central government. PCB will be in a dilemma. If India doesn't visit Pakistan, then the TV revenues and sponsorship will go down. PCB needs the support from smaller boards and then they should approach the ICC. If BCCI refuses to visit Pakistan, then the latter should claim reimbursement of the losses from the Indians.

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Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.

In the end, it comes to security. If countries such as England and Australia are ready to visit Pakistan, then India can't give any excuse other than the lack of permission to do so from the central government. PCB will be in a dilemma. If India doesn't visit Pakistan, then the TV revenues and sponsorship will go down. PCB needs the support from smaller boards and then they should approach the ICC. If BCCI refuses to visit Pakistan, then the latter should claim reimbursement of the losses from the Indians.

@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

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October 25, 2022, 04:49:51 AM
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@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.

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@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.
Best of luck to ACC if they see any kind of success in this adventure, in fact, it'll blow back in their face even if Jay shah is the president or not.

BCCI would simply argue that we don't take a single penny from Asia cup's revenue but subsidize the ACC.

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