Up Like Trump

[Racey]

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I am on it right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Congressional_concerns

Any better links to learn, as I am not trusting Wiki for true info.
You/me can edit to suit agendas and here https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3342 but have no clue what to search for.
Any help appreciated I love to learn.

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[tvbcof]

Trump 45 seems to have happened!  Would love to see the OP pop back up to celebrate, but I'm not holding my breath.  If Wilikon can/is reading this, thanks for starting the thread and the inputs in critical phases.

Now I switch phase to trying analyze, hopefully fairly, Trump's activities to find out how 'for real' the guy is.

My chief concern at this point (after some relatively recent observations) is that 'first' in 'America First' includes all nation states including ones who's supporters may have extra-ordinary influence here in the U.S.  Specifically, Israel.  I dearly hope that we throttle way back on the 'evil' we do around the globe (and perhaps replace it with 'good' when practicable.)  In spite of my complaints over the years I'm still OK with 'standing with Israel' for certain technical reasons and in appreciation of the attitude of segments of their population, but not if it means being painted as supporters of some of the things that the Zionists tend toward.

In a struggle such as for POTUS, one is expected to fight 'to win' up to a certain threshold that one defines for themselves.  My observation through this thing is that the Trump side was able to remain amazingly ethical.  Not that I expect that they would not have gone farther if the need was there, but it was simply a good strategy to stay well behind the line.

As far as I can tell, there were a number of groups which worked toward the goal of a Trump presidency, but they did so with relatively little coordination, and in many cases perhaps none.  Even so the choreography could hardly have been better.  A hell of a lot had to come together to pull off this rather amazing feat and one which I had not expected to be possible given the forces aligned against the guy.  If I were a religious person I could easily convince myself of divine intervention of some sort.

For my part I consider this thing a fight against 'global corporate technocracy' and I read Trump as the best hope toward this long-term goal (though I don't rule out the possibility that I've been chumped.)  I would say that in this context we are only at the point of having won a preliminary battle.  The adversaries are still around and retain enormous strength and resources.  It would be a big mistake to turn our backs to them.  I believe that the best way forward is to shine the light on their activities of the last century and try to open the eyes of those who've bought into their propaganda (as I myself had to a degree for many years.)  If nothing else this will be much more possible under a Trump presidency if he is even part way 'for real.'

[Klima]

I am OK with the selection of Pompeo. ISIS terrorists doesn't deserve any humane treatment. Just a few weeks back, I read the story of a 9-year old Yazidi girl, who became pregnant, after she was used as a sex slave by the Caliphate morons. Such people doesn't deserve an iota of mercy. Pompeo can ship them to Guantanamo and have fun with them.

You'd better read these stories in Chechnya. Chechens steal people and use them as slaves. They organized not one contract killing. And the Russian soldiers raped Chechen women? What then judged the Russian General?

[Spendulus]

Trump’s pick for CIA director has called for Snowden’s execution

This is exactly the kind of person that should not be in politics, and literally, thousands of people are like him.

On the intelligence committee, Pompeo has taken a particularly hard-line stance on how to treat NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. After Snowden's allies began a campaign to get him pardoned, the entire House Select Committee on Intelligence wrote a letter to President Barack Obama urging against a pardon. The letter said Snowden was no whistle-blower, but rather a "serial exaggerator and fabricator."

At that time, Pompeo issued his own press release, calling Snowden a "liar and a criminal," who deserves "prison rather than pardon."

I would like to know what his stance is now, is he a flip flopper, I just done a small amount of research on this guy, and I would not give him a job.

President-elect Donald Trump has tapped Republican Rep. Mike Pompeo of Kansas to head the Central Intelligence Agency, putting a hawkish lawmaker who favors brutally interrogating detainees and expanding the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in charge of America’s premier spy agency.

President-elect Donald Trump has tapped Republican Rep. Mike Pompeo of Kansas to head the Central Intelligence Agency, putting a hawkish lawmaker who favors brutally interrogating detainees and expanding the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in charge of America’s premier spy agency.

Is Trump really picking this rubbish? this Admin is starting to look more ominous each and every day, it's really sad.

Of course Snowden is the exact enemy of the CIA.  We all know that.  Snowden isn't our enemy, but he is their enemy.

But if he's going to be lined up for execution, there should be thousands ahead of him (most all Democrats, too).

[RoomBot]

Up Like Trump... Melania Trump.

Melania looked SO great in her blue Jackie Kennedy-esque suit today at the inauguration & was 100% pure style and poise today.

I'm up with that.

[tvbcof]

Of course Snowden is the exact enemy of the CIA.  We all know that.  Snowden isn't our enemy, but he is their enemy.
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I personally don't know that.  I think it highly likely correct, but am not sure and never have been.

From the establishment's point of view you've got two major things at work here:

 - Want the spycraft secret so you can catch unwitting people.  This works less well as more information is out there.

 - Want the surveillance public so that people are afraid to do things which might be construed as being against the will of TPTB.  Obviously this intimidation doesn't work unless people know about it.

One can form a couple of curves here which have a meeting point.

The thing of it is, nothing really surprised me that much in the Snowden disclosures.  Lots of the stuff had been leaked/inferred by attentive techies, and presumably by criminals/terrorists who are on top of things enough to be a genuine threat or otherwise of interest.

To the second point, after the Snowden disclosures and others I know for a fact that some less technical people are, at this point in time, nervous about so much as watching Infowars.com vids on youtube in case they get put on a 'watch list' of some sort.

It is at least possible that the Snowden affair was a psy-op designed to switch the surveillance system to more of an intimidation tool.  I'm not saying I know one way or another, but until I have more confidence than I do currently I would not be in favor of letting Snowden totally off the hook.

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Manning and Assange are different (to me.)  I have a high degree of confidence in (and a lot of gratitude toward) Assange at this point.  I've always felt that Manning did the right thing for the right reasons.  One of the few positive actions of Obama that I can think of was that he commuted Manning's sentence, though it is tempered with the knowledge that he had the guy tortured to suicide levels for however many years.

I think if I were prez and had the ability to do so I would have denied Manning his/her freedom to much on the premature side given his crimes (and they were crimes), but as soon as it was clear the reasons for his actions and any useful info had been extracted, I would have given him a sentence in a minimum security environment and made things as comfortable for him as realistic.  I might even have given him some award or another as well.  I would be mindful of the fact that it is an act of bravery to leak information when no other workable channels are provided, and the lack of these is in a military setting ultimately leads right up to the commander-in-chief's desk.

[philggg]

up trump,the guy as balls men,he is speak ing the mind of americans,he is not afraid of any one especially the Democrat ,his speech about Russia is a good one americans cannot be making enemies all the time,we need friends

[TicTacTic]

up trump,the guy as balls men,he is speak ing the mind of americans,he is not afraid of any one especially the Democrat ,his speech about Russia is a good one americans cannot be making enemies all the time,we need friends

You obviously don't live in America. Americans do not believe that Russia can be friends and not allow Trump to do it. Who ever is friends with Russia in addition to recognition the dictator Assad?

[mazhar]

trump will not complete his presidential years

[Xester]

Trump is a good businessman, he is the first president of the United States who is at first hand a billionaire. If he can make his billions using his business skills and good managerial skills hen possibly he can make the economy of America to go "up like Trump". With Trump as the president I can foretell that americas economy will boom and nothing can stop it. As I said a god businessman is a good manager and America needs a good manager and possibly Trump is destined to change America. The people should give him a chance, he needs support and not protest.

[Klima]

Trump is a good businessman, he is the first president of the United States who is at first hand a billionaire. If he can make his billions using his business skills and good managerial skills hen possibly he can make the economy of America to go "up like Trump". With Trump as the president I can foretell that americas economy will boom and nothing can stop it. As I said a god businessman is a good manager and America needs a good manager and possibly Trump is destined to change America. The people should give him a chance, he needs support and not protest.

First, no one saw the Declaration of the Trump. He may be bankrupt, how do you know? Secondly, politics and business are two different things. If Trump sell depressed region to the Chinese? From a business point of view it's good, and from a policy perspective is the collapse.

[mainpmf]

up trump,the guy as balls men,he is speak ing the mind of americans,he is not afraid of any one especially the Democrat ,his speech about Russia is a good one americans cannot be making enemies all the time,we need friends

You obviously don't live in America. Americans do not believe that Russia can be friends and not allow Trump to do it. Who ever is friends with Russia in addition to recognition the dictator Assad?

Seems like you don't understand reality...

Trump is important for one reason and only one.
He's the new step of USA.
USA never built on peace. USA need an enemy to develop itself.
Enemy has been Russia for years...
Trump is here to point American guns toward a new enemy: China.

He's as dumb aggressive and horrible as all the previous American presidents and citizens. But he's important for that.

[Spendulus]

Up Like Trump... Melania Trump.

Melania looked SO great in her blue Jackie Kennedy-esque suit today at the inauguration & was 100% pure style and poise today.

I'm up with that.

I thought so also.

[Perle]

up trump,the guy as balls men,he is speak ing the mind of americans,he is not afraid of any one especially the Democrat ,his speech about Russia is a good one americans cannot be making enemies all the time,we need friends

You obviously don't live in America. Americans do not believe that Russia can be friends and not allow Trump to do it. Who ever is friends with Russia in addition to recognition the dictator Assad?

Seems like you don't understand reality...

Trump is important for one reason and only one.
He's the new step of USA.
USA never built on peace. USA need an enemy to develop itself.
Enemy has been Russia for years...
Trump is here to point American guns toward a new enemy: China.

He's as dumb aggressive and horrible as all the previous American presidents and citizens. But he's important for that.

The election campaign is over and work will soon begin. I don't think Trump will greatly change foreign policy. China economic rival of America. How Trump will return manufacturing from China? I think it's unlikely.

[loreykyutt05]

It is quite convincing, because Trump performed better than Obama, but all we see is just a few months ago, and we cannot see after a months, or what will he be planning with?, we cannot just say that Obama is just a president, but he is a good president. Obama, former president of United States is given a lot of applause, nevertheless, just like Obama, Trump performed better, and they also can give him a lot of applause than Obama

[Bitbobb]

^
I am on it right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Congressional_concerns

Any better links to learn, as I am not trusting Wiki for true info.
You/me can edit to suit agendas and here https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3342 but have no clue what to search for.
Any help appreciated I love to learn.

Sorry I am just seeing this comment now...

[ekaterina77]

It is quite convincing, because Trump performed better than Obama, but all we see is just a few months ago, and we cannot see after a months, or what will he be planning with?, we cannot just say that Obama is just a president, but he is a good president. Obama, former president of United States is given a lot of applause, nevertheless, just like Obama, Trump performed better, and they also can give him a lot of applause than Obama

What are you talking about? Inaugural speech of Obama was about 2000 words 1500 trump. The number of people on inoguratsii Obama was twice. The Trump rating is the lowest since 1940. And rallies of opponents?

[Sithara007]

trump will not complete his presidential years

The only possibility for something like that happening is if RINOs such as John McCain defect to the Democrat party. That is a very distinct possibility, as the Democrats have completely alienated one of their traditional vote blocs (blue-collar whites).

[Bitbobb]

It is quite convincing, because Trump performed better than Obama, but all we see is just a few months ago, and we cannot see after a months, or what will he be planning with?, we cannot just say that Obama is just a president, but he is a good president. Obama, former president of United States is given a lot of applause, nevertheless, just like Obama, Trump performed better, and they also can give him a lot of applause than Obama

What are you talking about? Inaugural speech of Obama was about 2000 words 1500 trump. The number of people on inoguratsii Obama was twice. The Trump rating is the lowest since 1940. And rallies of opponents?

[criptix]

It is quite convincing, because Trump performed better than Obama, but all we see is just a few months ago, and we cannot see after a months, or what will he be planning with?, we cannot just say that Obama is just a president, but he is a good president. Obama, former president of United States is given a lot of applause, nevertheless, just like Obama, Trump performed better, and they also can give him a lot of applause than Obama

What are you talking about? Inaugural speech of Obama was about 2000 words 1500 trump. The number of people on inoguratsii Obama was twice. The Trump rating is the lowest since 1940. And rallies of opponents?

Well you gotta understand the most hated nigga of all time obomber had more then twice as much people attending his inauguration.