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September 29, 2012, 02:09:08 AM
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Hello, I have been playing around with the paper bitcoin generator application on this thread and have some questions...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98971.0;all

Can't post in that thread as a newbie... Lips sealed

I guess Ill PM the creator...

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September 29, 2012, 03:33:51 AM
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or ask them here - some Bitcoin business operators keep an eye on newbies forum or someone can quote you in that thread.





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September 29, 2012, 03:43:42 AM
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Hi Mike,

I have been playing around with your paper bitcoin bank note generator and am having some fun, I created some of my own designs and am ready to print.

Can you help me understand how I would make a bulk batch payment to a set of notes with your "send many command file"

Maybe you could just point me to more information on how to do this. I did not see anything on any of the threads I was reading.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98971.0;all

Thanks! I'll link you to my new nots when I post on my website later  Grin

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Once you're there, the batch command is simply a bitcoind command that funds your whole batch of paper bills in a single transaction in the denomination you entered.  Paste it into your terminal to run it.

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September 29, 2012, 03:58:18 AM
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OK, Thanks, that's a bit over my head but some good google search terms...

I'm also working on a back side to the note that would help people understand how to redeem them, I'm thinking that these make a great promotional tools for people who don't really know how it all works but are curious and want to get involved. I'll be giving them away, maybe sell a few or whatever comes up in person.

Thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll be back.



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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin
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September 29, 2012, 08:07:14 AM
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Thanks Graet! I have been reading the wiki and some posts I found on here, I have bitcoin-qt running on my macbook now so Ill pick this up in the AM, Have some very sexy looking bit-notes to print! this should make for a fun weekend project.

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September 29, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
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My question is why would anyone want paper bitcoins? What's the purpose and value add for this? It's an overhead that's not needed as far as I can tell.
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September 29, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
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My question is why would anyone want paper bitcoins? What's the purpose and value add for this? It's an overhead that's not needed as far as I can tell.

For an easy way to give bitcoins to someone without an electronic wallet handy, or to spend at a retail store or vending machine that is set up to scan and capture the coins.  A way to keep real bitcoins in your fiat wallet.

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September 29, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
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Hello, I have been playing around with the paper bitcoin generator application on this thread and have some questions...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98971.0;all

Can't post in that thread as a newbie... Lips sealed

I guess Ill PM the creator...

Interesting idea! Like to see how it pans out in the future!
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September 29, 2012, 04:30:36 PM
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For an easy way to give bitcoins to someone without an electronic wallet handy, or to spend at a retail store or vending machine that is set up to scan and capture the coins.  A way to keep real bitcoins in your fiat wallet.

Maybe, but I'm not sure if that's needed. If machines are set up to scan and capture coins from paper, then why not set them up to accept electronically as well. Plus, why would I want to keep real bitcoins in my fiat wallet? I can't secure them as safely as I can in my electronic world.

I'm just sharing my .02BTC.
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September 29, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
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Maybe, but I'm not sure if that's needed. If machines are set up to scan and capture coins from paper, then why not set them up to accept electronically as well.

How long does it take to hand someone an object and have the barcode scanned?  This happens every day at the grocery store.

Compare to how long it takes to turn on your phone, open an app, scan the payment address, enter the amount, blah blah blah.  And that assumes you have good internet.

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September 29, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
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What about the Bitcoin card for this purpose? I may be wrong, but I think applying old paradigms to new technology is not Always the best way.
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September 29, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
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What about the Bitcoin card for this purpose? I may be wrong, but I think applying old paradigms to new technology is not Always the best way.

That's perfect for receiving bitcoins.  This is for giving them away, especially to someone who doesn't already have a bitcoin wallet.

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September 30, 2012, 01:51:37 AM
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Paper seems like a nice idea, but really tricky to manage. Do you really think it's viable long term?
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October 01, 2012, 05:25:06 AM
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I understand most of the technical concerns and know that this is not the safest way to spend/receive bitcoins, but my idea is education, to give someone a very small amount of bitcoins just to get them interested and a good place to start.

The cost of printing is justified by the promotional aspect of the design.

http://donttreadonmeme.com/?p=744

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Hmm,paper bitcoins.I don't think this is possible  Huh

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imo the concept of a paper bitcoin note is quite misleading. instead of being a durable vehicle for transferring value, this is rather a cheque for one-time transactions. after the private key on the note is "used", the note is worthless and can be disposed. Having a "real" wallet full of used and unused notes makes not a lot of sense to me. You would have to shred used notes or something like stamp them off. Im not saying this is a bad idea, but wouldnt you need an additional mechanism / authorization to "virtualize" the bitocoins from a paper note to the blockchain than just sanning the private keyon the note? Or in other words, wouldnt it be quite scary for someone to be able to steal my fiat dollars by just looking at them?
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October 01, 2012, 01:04:17 PM
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Someone else mentioned voucher as being a better term for them and they might be right.

For the sake of what kind of art I wanted designed at the time I started the "design a bitcoin banknote" thread, I did get exactly what I wanted.  But if we come to a consensus that it would be better understood as a voucher, then that's what it is...

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If we get into paper bitcoins, then inevitably paper bitcoin counterfeiting will follow.
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You don't need to use bitcoind. Bitcoin-qt can send to multiple recipients also.
Just press the Add Recipient button at the bottom left corner on the Send Coins tab of Bitcoin-qt.
You can add as many recipients(addresses) as you wish. It will send everything on one transaction only.

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If we get into paper bitcoins, then inevitably paper bitcoin counterfeiting will follow.


The idea behind paper bitcoins is just having a wallet printed out on a piece of paper rather than a file. Not fractional lending Cheesy so dont worry. It is safe from inflation!

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You don't need to use bitcoind. Bitcoin-qt can send to multiple recipients also.
Just press the Add Recipient button at the bottom left corner on the Send Coins tab of Bitcoin-qt.
You can add as many recipients(addresses) as you wish. It will send everything on one transaction only.

Good to know, Thanks psy, If I want to do this on a large scale I will need to find a more automated way. The batch send text that is created by the bank note application seams to be the best way to go.



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I would love to get some feedback on this back side design, Imagine you don't have a clue what bitcoins are and someone hands you this note. Dose this include accurate information and a good stating point for the recipient?

Mike, I would be happy to update the information about your application how ever you see best.

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I would love to get some feedback on this back side design, Imagine you don't have a clue what bitcoins are and someone hands you this note. Dose this include accurate information and a good stating point for the recipient?

Mike, I would be happy to update the information about your application how ever you see best.




YES - I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing, with one minor twist:  Your image would be the bottom half of the page.  The top would be a unique Bitcoin "Banknote" (voucher).  So in other words this would be produced by a special version of the generator that prints one unique note and the instructions into a single page (or you could just run the paper through the printer twice, once for the instructions, once for the note).  The instructions, of course, would say "cut this out and put it in your wallet, now YOU have a Bitcoin address, and can start accepting bitcoins right now!"...

Rewording: "Paper notes are NOT the safest way to transfer BitCoins because anyone with access to the private key can access the funds."  ----> "If this note was given to you by someone else, remember the private spending key is in plain sight, so anyone else who could have a copy of it can irreversibly take your funds.  To stay safe, send the funds into another Bitcoin wallet, or to a new note you printed yourself from DontTreadOnMeme.com, and never send large amounts of Bitcoins to addresses on notes that you didn't print yourself."  (intended effect: it's less scary, it's more educational, and less of a "warning this isn't safe")

Spellchecks: recieve -> recieve, inport -> import.

Correction: on blockchain.info, when you import notes, they are available immediately, not almost immediately.

Suggestion: send people to BitAddress.org if they want to print new notes, rather than bitcointalk.org.

Finally... your grey background is going to cost you a lot in toner, but the freedom to do so is, as you know, yours!

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Thanks for the feedback,
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YES - I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing, with one minor twist:  Your image would be the bottom half of the page.  The top would be a unique Bitcoin "Banknote" (voucher).  So in other words this would be produced by a special version of the generator that prints one unique note and the instructions into a single page (or you could just run the paper through the printer twice, once for the instructions, once for the note).  The instructions, of course, would say "cut this out and put it in your wallet, now YOU have a Bitcoin address, and can start accepting bitcoins right now!"...


Cool! I look forward to seeing your app grow in to new forms of paper wallets, for now Im just going to have the back side set up as a 3up PDF to match the printing layout of the PDF's created by the app and print two sides, I still need to run logistics with a print company but I think B&W will save me a few cents.

Specifically what do you call your application, is Bitcoin Bank note ok? Or should I reefer to it as a wallet generator app?

I like the term voucher as someone posted above but Im going to stick with calling my run "bit-notes"... Cuz I can Wink

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I think this may be a good idea and I will keep my eye on the paper bitcoin
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Someone else mentioned voucher as being a better term for them and they might be right.

For the sake of what kind of art I wanted designed at the time I started the "design a bitcoin banknote" thread, I did get exactly what I wanted.  But if we come to a consensus that it would be better understood as a voucher, then that's what it is...


Why not something like an airline ticket where you can rip the part with the QR code/key off?
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Why not something like an airline ticket where you can rip the part with the QR code/key off?

I like this idea, I have some suggestions for Mike on what I would like to see but first I need to get my first set going and im almost ready.

First a few questions about the options in the application.

1) Randomly generated wallet or Deterministic wallet"? (I have been doing "Randomly Generated wallets")

2) Would I be better off to check the box for "Encrypt private key" (I have not been) I think this will make it harder to redeem the BTC's and thats not what I want, Needs to be easy for new users.

3) Am I missing anything by not understanding or using the main screen of the App? "Minikey" "privet key WIF" "Encryption pass." "Private key (hex)" "Public key (hex)" "address"

I really can't say what any of that is... Im only using the "Paper Wallet Printer" option in the tools menu.

So long as thats all good, I'm ready to batch fund my first set of prints. More on that in a bit...

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OK, I'm done for the night, A new friend suggested that I use the Electrum desktop client to send batch funds. thoughts?

I'm having a problem with the bitcoin client on my macbook, it stopped downlading the blockchain. I deleted the app and will reinstall it and try again. (I have other computer problems... outdated macs) Bitcoin client won't run on my faster iMac running 10.4 (Im stuck with my FCP rig running this OS)

But I wanted to share the art I have! The cost of printing will be greater than the cost of the .001 BTC I will add to the notes, I think many people miss the idea that people can justify the cost of this printing for the promotional value of the idea. I would be glad to know that someone got a warm and fuzzy felling from FreedomsPhoenix.com or DontTreadOnMeme.com if we where the group who gave you your first bitcoin and showed you how to use it.

I'm attending an event of 300-500 libertarians the weekend after this one and the cost of printing is mostly cover by FreedomsPhoenix.com and Ill be chipping in the BTC cost on behalf of DTOM. I will also be making a few more notes of greater value and selling them out of a vending machine. I want to try and do a "Bank roll" of notes and sell the "roll" of .001, .01, .025, .05 and .1 BTC notes for a few dollars USD out of what we call "The Moneylith"

Im also going to print some of the original design, I would be interested in seeing the runner ups. Thanks again for everyones help.

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I'm attending an event of 300-500 libertarians the weekend after this one

You ought to bring along some bitcoin chocolate!

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I'm attending an event of 300-500 libertarians the weekend after this one

You ought to bring along some bitcoin chocolate!

I saw this, I'll have to call in the AM and see if we could get them in time... Come join us in San Diego Mike, Ill put you on stage to talk about bitcoin.... or not, It would be nice to meet you if you just wanted to chill and take in the freedom you could do that too Smiley http://Libertopia.org

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I'm getting so close!

MY buddy has helped me get in to Electrum and showed me a way of batch funding that may or may not be the right way for me. The command I type in to electrom looks something like this.

for /F "tokens=*" %A in (d:\Users\Drew\Desktop\DTOM_TEST.txt) do ( electrum payto %A .001 && ping 1.1.1.1 -w 3 > NUL )

My second test went better than my first (all 3 addys where funded even tho it said the second payment address was rejected by the Bitcoin network) but I need consistency, My buddy might be able to tell me what I did wrong later but two questions for you Mike (or anyone)

1. I don't want to pay a fee on every addy I send to but on just the bulk transaction to ALL addys I create with the Bank note app. Whats the best way to do this? or can I get away with NOT adding a fee to any of the transactions?

2. The file this command is calling on is created by the  bank note app, I save the addresses as a plan text file with the address listed in that file. This is the first option in the 3 options on the "save text file list" would I be better off using one of the other options and some other program/wallet?

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"Buddy" recommends you increase the "sleep" time to avoid spammy looking spends by the stratum servers.

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Each payto takes 10 seconds. If you need it longer, increase the number in "-n 10".

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Getting closer but getting error message that it cant read wallet file...

Also, I set the transaction fee to 0 in the client but the last batch I funded in the terminal still added .005BTC

Ill try again and increase the ping to n - 15 Huh

Update: n -15 test was no good either, It funded the first addy but the rest gave me the "cannot read wallet file"

Is that a problem with the install on this computer?

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Does Electrum not currently offer a sendmany?

Whenever I fund batches, I just sendmany using bitcoind.  No delay necessary (unless you count all the delays associated with getting the block chain and importing private keys).  Usually avoids a fee too, since sendmany is far more economical in terms of kb than individual sends (by a factor of more than double).

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Your losing me Mike... I have successfully done this with electrum but with a lot of inconsistency, it seams straightforward but if I can't keep the process easy, Ill have to try something different. My goal long term is to show others how "easy" it is to print your own notes with detailed instructions.

Just downloaded the bitcoin-qt client on the win7 computer I'm using. (same as bitcoind right?) Ill need to understand how to do it this way if you can help with that but Ill also see if Tuxavant can answer the questions I sent him via email and keep playing with electrum.

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Your losing me Mike... I have successfully done this with electrum but with a lot of inconsistency, it seams straightforward but if I can't keep the process easy, Ill have to try something different. My goal long term is to show others how "easy" it is to print your own notes with detailed instructions.

Just downloaded the bitcoin-qt client on the win7 computer I'm using. (same as bitcoind right?) Ill need to understand how to do it this way if you can help with that but Ill also see if Tuxavant can answer the questions I sent him via email and keep playing with electrum.

Thanks for your help, I am a newbie but I want to make this idea work.

If you can get bitcoind set up to use the command line, then you can issue transactions from the command line.

AFAIK, you do the following:

1. create a file called "bitcoin.conf" in the same folder as your wallet.dat, and this file should contain:
Code:
rpcuser=replacemewithanything
rpcpassword=replacemewithanythingelse

(Just replace the replace parts with anything, you can just mash your keyboard asdflkajsdflaksjdfalskdfj --- there just has to be something so the RPC can communicate - but can't be something somebody will guess.)

then... run bitcoin-qt in server mode.  (I think it's bitcoin-qt -server ?? can anyone confirm? I just usually run the bitcoind executable by itself and leave the GUI alone, which is why I don't know.)

then you can issue commands like sendmany.  Here is a transaction I plan to do soon to fund a bunch of Casascius Coins and 0-BTC bars (0.001) - it's a script issued by my coin tracking system that I must manually run on my bitcoin node.

Code:
./bitcoind sendmany "" "{\"196LbhD7dZPjZxiheJQ9fq9BjEBq8LJSPM\" :1, \"196nYcammMqR6L6qMRrWi8wESRGDLZ7bv7\" :1,
\"196URrUZctbjw9hvHTBru5SKkpzw9CwZFA\" :1, \"196xQBpYofSw3vKnTbmcFM8vp7rxVvQmBU\" :1,
 \"1974ePzqCVhyHccvYdbQj4QPRdsk7CGy5M\" :1, \"1979defGUt3dhG3J1CS5sjqKyeop9wbEHq\" :1,
\"197q86DK1q7wah44d5wfb3nCZBJy8kz6rN\" :1, \"197wUaW5ZEtDjMR5GkNiENqJu217vc11ED\" :1,
 \"198JAnwDhpzpVBbJ11DtsHJ9ztCoQ2gjbd\" :1, \"198JE8Bv9ErsGwtAoYQDvqgCh3z7MgMwLJ\" :1,
 \"198mcTXXJxB2L8B4ULT2fcYLHCp9qyQ1vn\" :1, \"198NZ5QkRTkoDwNbSa64hsJzzH6RmyjHs7\" :1,
 \"198Q1HuY8jt9xkNtxx4Xg85TT2SVa9kyuj\" :1, \"198RpyALeMdAsmhbQ3cjoEeG16T5Ymr8ff\" :1,
 \"1996HAkFivvJ8xhC9dLfZ4tU2PVj8zz9mX\" :1, \"199FZwXNaK7NJtNvNe5aJaG3fHGoh47R2Y\" :1,
 \"199JimkSjfYdYoaURR3noawo14yuZ6gfag\" :1, \"199krRqsBhbKaYJZvVCvcrNfamqcJF1GQK\" :1,
 \"1AgacUuq7BffwMEteEGAYjd6dHRDdWayvk\" :10, \"1BXDy88euk9LFbxX4rkNN3GmpHwCqV76Rm\" :5,
 \"1By3FeuoxYGptUPHL6RaCp3uP1hGLRbTAY\" :5, \"1ByddcCGGQmtmixBdPSxiYzK56TrkAbMbZ\" :5,
 \"1Cq8CPZfBuUXobZQXXJXS6o5oJwutAFnZ\" :5, \"1FaGGvTQohLdsN9an44QFYAqnF6o5FricK\" :1,
\"1GC6spHQo2eXsPfT83qs97NLqsPxe4vNzL\" :0.001, \"1GcEvheN6Yh8gTJkPME9qpevaiQhH6pDPw\" :0.001,
\"1GceYWCH6onygJwkiVf4ThGWuWvgrhMR3T\" :0.001, \"1GchbBQrKCYn5LzFv9caELcfvEd3KTs2LV\" :0.001,
\"1GcismLKdKnogg7VKzAipcSbPPxYhkquDK\" :0.001, \"1GcJPR1QUw8nqHt6AnF94ZHMDNxbUhEMz2\" :0.001,
\"1GCjWYXroRtWPjVnaxDVpmEcFCVaFeKtM3\" :0.001, \"1GcKA4qfeSiP2pZVD9s5Ub7BM9TrWVKGxt\" :0.001,
\"1GCkwH4Ye3BmMrk6WsPVmwpFSUnfZK9FH9\" :0.001, \"1GCsvvE29WrGytSvCLpi4YGJK1WiVo8Eum\" :0.001,
\"1GCVKYLT1dv9kwoBTPMUx6J2bieGHbhgTg\" :0.001, \"1GcwrxJXVHjm9MQyjqyLQv712wqfToL2HZ\" :0.001,
\"1GcxeZVAmMuvpDkNufjNfKX2DZ9MkVVj7P\" :0.001, \"1GCYt5XHxJfJEL3EVGjTZNVVdFitwdDBV5\" :0.001,
\"1GDEs8u7iAsdLCXYLBsmnnh3stwsFzVvqo\" :25, \"1GDFgras9pLSMz8ped9WEfvDDdyGuDkCM8\" :0.001,
\"1GDN7y8PofLa3BLPJmSei4Gegih5AvhNm5\" :0.001, \"1Gdnz7qQK2ztVN6GCvCRR9faRMqshrcYGF\" :0.001,
\"1GdPL5DMQiNDfTACtVAfuFV9iqFbk9Tzui\" :0.001, \"1GdS4WmoXD292ej9a9pBccngEGr1iXnp8r\" :0.001,
\"1Gdwm6x7BUDCg8eAtzp5xCHeRzkHKZA7gg\" :0.001, \"1GDWuHfx7gh5jV2pZbpLWz4y49gxWKBAR2\" :0.001,
\"1GLobDnbdV53W4c4MyyCsNzx36UPz6zZJ2\" :0.001, \"1GLXRMamzDw1NMNWN57CD9hJ7spmobEjqR\" :0.001,
\"1Go7mLgr3mkUsbegUmhGjFkT5HWnfS3Qm2\" :0.001}"

EDIT: this transaction has been executed: http://blockchain.info/tx/fac8234950450c56810e223430a6fdf99eaa815a0b7d493e79741d7bc7089f8f

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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If you can get bitcoind set up to use the command line, then you can issue transactions from the command line.

AFAIK, you do the following:

1. create a file called "bitcoin.conf" in the same folder as your wallet.dat, and this file should contain:
Code:
rpcuser=replacemewithanything
rpcpassword=replacemewithanythingelse

(Just replace the replace parts with anything, you can just mash your keyboard asdflkajsdflaksjdfalskdfj --- there just has to be something so the RPC can communicate - but can't be something somebody will guess.)

then... run bitcoin-qt in server mode.  (I think it's bitcoin-qt -server ?? can anyone confirm? I just usually run the bitcoind executable by itself and leave the GUI alone, which is why I don't know.)


I got the config file in the right folder and opened bitcoind (located in the "daemon" folder) The app opens a command line terminal but I can't type anything in?

An error message told me I should set the "rpcuser" to "bitcoinrpc" and the "rcppassword" to a "HQbbVY... Bla...Bla...Bla"

So I did, only I just mashed my keyboard on the password part like you said.

I'm a bit lost reading this wiki page, do I need any other command lines in the config file"?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Command-line_arguments

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Just looking at the wiki page, it looks like you could also add

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server=1

and then never have to worry about running bitcoin-qt in server mode, as apparently it will always run that way with this.  Never tried it though.

So, if you have rpcuser, rpcpassword, and server, AND as long as bitcoin-qt is open, running, and connected, you should be able to drop to a terminal window and execute the sendmany command.

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Just looking at the wiki page, it looks like you could also add

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server=1

and then never have to worry about running bitcoin-qt in server mode, as apparently it will always run that way with this.  Never tried it though.


Yes, it does work like you described. I tried it plenty of times already Wink

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OK, I think I got this going now, only one problem, the blockchain has not fully downloaded and I have no bitcoins to "sendmany"

But thanks for al the help, I should be ready to go in the AM, some 97% done Smiley

Ill let you know how it goes!

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if you can "bitcoind getbalance" and get it to say 0.00000000 then you at least know you have contact.

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if you can "bitcoind getbalance" and get it to say 0.00000000 then you at least know you have contact.

Oh, your right, it gives an error that tells me it can't connect to the server. what is server=1? just the local computer?


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server=1 should tell bitcoin-qt to also listen on a port for incoming RPC commands.

using bitcoind with arguments sends those commands into bitcoin-qt.

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so where to start with trouble shooting, is this a port issue?

You sure the rcp username and password dont matter?


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have you restarted bitcoin-qt since adding that option?  i think it is only read on startup.

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Yes, I have been switching between the two,  but ill try again.

Or did you mean to restart the computer... Ill try that too, after playing with bitcoind I switched back to QT to let the blockchain update.

Update: Nope, restart did not work, the file can't be only read on startup. I have re launched the app plenty of times... Maybe Ill post a new thread on "bitcoind server connection" help in the AM, I appreciate and new ideas you might have on how to get this going.

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Are you sure your bitcoin.conf file isn't really a bitcoin.conf.txt file? Wink

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Are you sure your bitcoin.conf file isn't really a bitcoin.conf.txt file? Wink

Absolutely sure Smiley

Switched to newer computer, last one did not have any room on the hard drive for the full blockchain...

The conf file is in the right folder but I get this now

"error: You must set rpcpassword=<password> in the configuration file:
C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin\bitcoin.conf
If the file does not exist, create it with owner-readable-only file permissions."

But I do have a password in the file?

My config file looks like this, What am I doing wrong?

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# server=1

# rpcuser=bitcoinuserdrew

# rpcpassword=ilsr...bla...bla...bla

I'm probably missing something obvious to a pro, but I change the file around best I could with no luck...

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Don't start the lines out with a # sign.  This comments them out and makes them have no effect.

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I really need to spend more than one hour a night on this project...

I got it to give me a balance! never been so happy to have 0.0000000BTC!!!

The part I was not getting last night was that QT had to be open too, I'm slow but I got it now.

Now I just need the blockchain to download.... Thanks Mike! I can sleep now...


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Blockchain downloaded!

Took a shot at a batch fund and I have insufficient funds? I have funds and am thinking about sending more?

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error: {"code":-6,"message":"Account has insufficient funds"}

I was able to send funds via bitcoin-QT to 3 addresses,

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Currently, sendmany is sensitive to which "account" the funds in (not bitcoin address, just internal accounting in the bitcoin client, that serves no useful purpose and ought to be deprecated).

Anyway, you have to use commands to move the funds so all of them are considered in the same account.  I just name my account the empty string ("") which is also the default for imported keys.

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So are you saying I should paste my address in between the "" ? I tried that and got the same message,

Or how would I "use commands to move the funds so all of them are considered in the same account"

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type "bitcoind help" to list commands.

I don't use the commands so they're not fresh on my mind, but seems to me there's a listaccounts and a move command that moves funds between the client's internal "buckets" for your coins.  Move them to the bucket named "" and then the sendmany command that has "" as its 3rd(?) argument should work.

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OK, typed this in and got a "true" reply

Code:
C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\drew\bitcoin-0.6.3-win32\daemon>bitcoind move " " "" 0.07
0000000
true

Then when I check the balance I get.

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C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\drew\bitcoin-0.6.3-win32\daemon>bitcoind listaccounts
{
    "" : -0.03350000,
    " " : -0.07000000,
    "  " : 0.19070000

I'm moving coins to the other "buckets" but why did I get a space added, and the funds sent to ( " ") instead of ("")

UG... I';m moving coin around but I don't really understand what I'm doing... Ill have to chew on this a bit.

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Hello, I'm back from my trip and the notes I printed and manually funded went over very well, had a number of people who wanted to know about bitcoin but had no idea where to start really appreciated the notes I gave them...

Anyway, still don't know what I'm doing wrong with the batch funding but I downloaded the bitaddress app on a friends computer and noticed the new color notes, Very nice!

Any chance we could work on a back side that would be added to the app? Mike? Something like the one i posted here with links to blockchain.info and bitaddress.com

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OK, So after playing with this idea for a while and getting some good feedback from people I have given notes to the only problem I see is that after the privet key is imported to a individuals personal wallet the public address is still going to show a "balance" when scanning the public key QR code. Someone could be tricked in to taking a Note that has already been claimed by someone.

This is not going to happen with me obviously because I'm an honest person and am willing to put my name out in public and put the silver barter project me and some friends created on the line. Doing so could sower my reputation in the Silver and Gold community and I gain more by NOT ripping anyone off.

So, that said, I have started shipping free "Bit-Notes" with ever Order From my website DontTreadonMeme.com

If you order anything from my WePay.com Store or my BitMit.net page I will include on of each of the 3 designs I'm working with. (Total 0.003BTC) I'm also going to mail some to My partner who runs the Etsy.com page listed on our site so he can mail free bit-notes with his orders as well.



You can also see that I am manually funding notes from the wallet on my laptop and I offer this address to you all to verify that what I'm doing is on the up and up.

No longer in use ->> 18pyoDpMJJeEbM4VBuvrM8sZdmur1FwBLV <<- do not send to.

Like what I'm doing? Send me some coin. Even 0.001 goes a long was in helping someone get started with Bitcoin!

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At first I was down on the idea right off the bat, but  then I started thinking about it, and the problems I had during hurricane Sandy.  A digital currency is only good as long as you have power.   There were a few stores that didn't have power that would take physical money, but couldn't do credit cards or anything else.  I guess cash is still king.
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I print bills funded with small amounts and hand them out to people. Lots of people have heard about bitcoin, but they view it as abstract or intangible until they can hold something in their hands.
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December 04, 2012, 07:33:01 AM
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My question is why would anyone want paper bitcoins?

For all of the same reasons you keep cash in your wallet, but with bitcoins instead of dollars (or whatever).

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