[XMR] Monero Technical Discussion (unmoderated)

[dukey8]

I have made a post about how Monero development is not the progress they are claiming, and I compare it to their parent coin Bytecoin.

This information got deleted (from an unmoderated thread).  So, I repost it, and whenever I did it got deleted.

The post is below, more information is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139813.msg12020899#msg12020899

Deleted Post from Monero Bitcointalk:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Why is Monero ignored by the public even though it has the best tech out there?

It is because Monero is not the best tech out there, not even close. The core code is Bytecoin and other cryptonote are far ahead as Monero development.

Here is Bytecoin work completed in last 3 months and today they depreciate Payment ID for all Cryptonote coin to use:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1008146.msg12010079#msg12010079

https://i.imgur.com/HlmOXHY.png

Wallet GUI:

https://i.imgur.com/5RPhCTc.png

Aggregate Multi-Addresses:

https://bytecoin.org/blog/aggregate-multi-addresses-ecommerce-enhancing-privacy/

https://bytecoin.org/static/img/blog/ma2.png

Release notes in last 3 months:

https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-reference-client-1.0.3-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.4-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.5-released/
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-1.0.6-presents-new-solution-for-online-payments/

Remember, Bytecoin created Cryptonote code that Monero uses, like Litecoin created code that Dogecoin uses.  Monero did not create the Cryptonote code, except if you listent them you will never know this.

Now here is Monero work in 6 months, except they can only show you some Github commits because for some reason nothing was released since December 2014:

https://i.imgur.com/idGRykj.jpg

At this speed, it will take a YEAR now for a GUI even though Cryptonote GUI is released, and 2 years to add the merchants  

Here is all you will find for his "release note", because nothing was released since last year.

https://i.imgur.com/JfTtLBH.png

The Monero dev Fluffypony said this work is completed, but he did not update Monero wallet since 2014, so how can it be completed.  And when you ask why, he DELETES your posts about it because they want to HIDE how little the Monero development is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139306.0

Oh, here is the Monero wallet today:

http://i.gyazo.com/7ef3fdb61b1200759d1d7976280bc357.png

What does Monero thread say?

Monero (XMR) is a new privacy-centric coin using the CryptoNote protocol (see below for more information). The open source reference implementation of CryptoNote was coded from scratch based on the CryptoNote reference implementation, and is not a fork of Bitcoin.

Really?  lol

Please stop pretending Monero is the best tech, it is not. It's not even your original code and this development is nothing after 1 year.  You just attack others the most to make it seem like that with your army of trolls.  

Of course, Monero devs will say that this doesn't matter because Bytecoin is a scam.  If it's true or not, no one can say Monero has the best tech, even Bytecoin is light years beyond Monero, it is just false.  It look like they don't even understand the Cryptonote code they are using, and how poor the feature they try to do are, and how slow.

When devs pretend they are selling something that isn't what they say, that is a scam.  

Now, get ready for Monero dev making jokes and saying this is trolling.  That's nice, because everything I said is true and I think it's better for you to ignore it

Deleted Posts from Monero Reddit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139306.0

https://i.imgur.com/sOXsLeB.png



How Monero Dev Smooth try to sensor even a link to this thread, because he say my post is off topic  

https://i.imgur.com/oOb9zpG.png

[pandher]

Why did the BCN scammers woke up from their self dug grave and started this butthurt maniac campaign against Monero?

Dukey, esoum, Ullo or whatever your real name is, its over bud

[dukey8]

I am not related to the Bytecoin or the users esoum or Ullo.  This thread is for the post about Monero development that are being deleted.  Maybe you can read what I said and respond, no one has done that yet.

[smooth]

I am not related to the Bytecoin or the users esoum or Ullo.  This thread is for the post about Monero development that are being deleted.  Maybe you can read what I said and respond, no one has done that yet.

Whoever you are or whatever scamcoin you are trying to promote, nobody cares.

Monero is an fairly launched coin, and an open source project with a transparent process and many contributors, who have devoted an enormous amount of generally unpaid time to building and supporting it.

All you are doing by attacking it (and apparently doing so in violation of forum rules) are making yourself look bad.

[americanpegasus]

 
  
This is what I think when I see this thread.

[dukey8]

How Monero Dev Smooth try to sensor even a link to this thread, because he say my post is off topic 

https://i.imgur.com/oOb9zpG.png



 

[smooth]

How Monero Dev Smooth try to sensor even a link to this thread, because he say my post is off topic  

Please stay on topic. Where are the blackjack and hookers?

[medusa13]

haha this thread, i love it, one post by americanpegasus and troll destroyed.

[americanpegasus]

dukey, everything you have to say is quite easily refuted:  
  
Monero is open source.  It's an open community.  Even my moderation and involvement are an open source of discussion.  
  
If you don't like something, you are welcome to join the Monero developers and help fix whatever problems you claim to see.  Monero was fairly launched, and was the first cryptonote coin to do so.  As I replied to you earlier, if you have proof that Bytecoin was not 80% premined and was a fair and open launch from the genesis please post that.  Then we can discuss whether development efforts should shift to bytecoin since that would then be the first valid implementation of cryptonote.  But until then, everyone knows it isn't.  
  
As far as bitmonero, thankful_for_today is free to continue development of bitmonero as far as I can tell.  He just lost his community by making wildly unpopular decisions, so they decided to take matters into their own hands.  bitMonero did come first, but because every early user abandoned it, development also ceased on it.  As far as I can tell, it's done.  
  
So Monero comes next.
  
It is the first valid implementation of the cryptonote.  It is an open source, community driven project, and if anyone doesn't like something they are welcome to contribute.  If any insiders or devs wanted to cash out, they would simply release a hackneyed GUI, coordinate a pump amongst themselves, and all cash out over the next few months.  It would be easily organized, and *far* easier than developing a world-class currency.  
  
Finally, because this is a community driven coin, if you piss off the community, the robots that it has hired (automoderator) will automatically delete your garbage.  This happens when you get enough reports of trolling and spam.  As you can see, in many ways, we even try to decentralize the moderation.  
  
If you want to criticize Monero for not being developed fast enough, then help.  This isn't Half Life 3; we don't have any secrets or closed doors.  Come on in and be part of the team.  If you can't code, figure out what your talent is and apply it towards the cause.  If you can pontificate, then get your pont on.  If you are a graphic artist, then get your art on.  If you wield a mean shovel, then we will put you to work in the Monero sand pits.  
  
There's something for everyone to do and everyone is welcome.  
  
And that's why you can't levy legitimate criticism against Monero, because you're basically complaining about how its bullshit that your own living room is dirty.  Well then get up and do something about it!  We all live here!

[smooth]

I had 15 posts deleted from BCT in the last 24 hr, even here on my own unmoderated thread.  Each post was presenting the same information about Monero development, below

Maybe your posts are being deleted because they are repetitive garbage. If you have something to say, fine, say it once and then move on. Don't spam it.

[dukey8]

I had 15 posts deleted from BCT in the last 24 hr, even here on my own unmoderated thread.  Each post was presenting the same information about Monero development, below

Maybe your posts are being deleted because they are repetitive garbage. If you have something to say, fine, say it once and then move on. Don't spam it.

I am not spamming it.  Every time I post it on any thread on BCT, it get deleted, so I have to post it somewhere else.

The fact it got deleted 15 times, I know it is information certain people want to hide.  If you know anything about free speech, that means it's worth posting.

If it is garbage, I am waiting for one person to say why.  That would be a lot easier than just getting it deleted so I have to keep repost it

[fluffypony]

I am not spamming it.  Every time I post it on any thread on BCT, it get deleted, so I have to post it somewhere else.

DID YOU STOP COPY PASTE YOUR STRAW?

[mitzie]

I had 15 posts deleted from BCT in the last 24 hr, even here on my own unmoderated thread.  Each post was presenting the same information about Monero development, below

Maybe your posts are being deleted because they are repetitive garbage. If you have something to say, fine, say it once and then move on. Don't spam it.

I am not spamming it.  Every time I post it on any thread on BCT, it get deleted, so I have to post it somewhere else.

The fact it got deleted 15 times, I know it is information certain people want to hide.  If you know anything about free speech, that means it's worth posting.

If it is garbage, I am waiting for one person to say why.  That would be a lot easier than just getting it deleted so I have to keep repost it

smooth is right, since you have your own thread, there is no need to keep posting it in more threads. Doing that will only add more time in your ban

[smooth]

I had 15 posts deleted from BCT in the last 24 hr, even here on my own unmoderated thread.  Each post was presenting the same information about Monero development, below

Maybe your posts are being deleted because they are repetitive garbage. If you have something to say, fine, say it once and then move on. Don't spam it.

I am not spamming it.  Every time I post it on any thread on BCT, it get deleted, so I have to post it somewhere else.

Let me ask you this: If we looked could we find someplace where you originally posted it and it hasn't gotten deleted?

If that is the case, then it isn't being surprised, you are just being stopped from spamming it.

The fact it got deleted 15 times, I know it is information certain people want to hide.

No that doesn't follow. If it got deleted 15 times that means you posted it (at least) 15 times, so it may be getting deleted not because someone wants to hide it, but because you are spamming it.

[americanpegasus]

dukey and I exchanged words in another private message, and I feel my response also warrants posting here.  He messaged me claiming that the developers of Monero aren't making any progress and are spending their time focused on other things.  Meanwhile, according to him, Bytecoin is making great progress and reaching new milestones.  My response was,
 
 
 
So, do you believe that a currency that was 80% premined will be accepted by the general public?  That it will be mass adopted when we don't even know where 80% of the float is?  Regardless of any other factor?
 
And I'm assuming that bytecoin is open source as well.  So if what they were doing was really so amazing, we would take a look at it and incorporate it into Monero as well.
 
I'm not a developer, but the facts stand: Monero is open source and anyone can contribute. Contributions to bytecoin don't count in my opinion because the currency itself is invalid.  So they could have a GUI that automatically optimizes my entire life and I still wouldn't use it because there's no honesty there.
 
If you are right, and Monero is honestly incompetent (which I don't believe, let's be clear), then we need new talent.  You are welcome to politely ask the bytecoin developers to join Monero development (the currency of which is still ultra cheap) and put their efforts towards a sustainable currency.  You yourself are welcome to join Monero development.
 
As far as Smooth's work with Aeon, he doesn't represent all of Monero.  He has explained that the coin will make an excellent testing grounds for Monero features, and has publicly acknowledged that he owns a large amount (which is more than I can say for Bytecoin).
 
And again, Aeon didn't come first.  Monero did.  So I am not worried about Aeoncoin disrupting Monero at all, any more than I worry about litecoin overtaking bitcoin.
 
Monero is the best solution, and anyone is welcome to contribute.  If you don't like the way things are going, help bring in talent to independently review the work of fluffy and smooth instead of spamming complaints across the internet.
 
Again, open source project.  The focus is always positive, and should be on how we're going to do better, not trying to point fingers and assign blame.
 
If you really think there is a problem, then work on crowd-funding an independent developer with cryptocurrency knowledge to analyze Monero's code and github contributions and assist with the coding.

[smooth]

And I'm assuming that bytecoin is open source as well.

The GUI is closed source I believe.

Why this is considered a viable approach by anyone is a mystery to me. What is that closed source blob doing with your coins anyway?

The only open source Bytecoin wallet that I know about is....are you ready for it???...command line.

[dukey8]

I had 15 posts deleted from BCT in the last 24 hr, even here on my own unmoderated thread.  Each post was presenting the same information about Monero development, below

Maybe your posts are being deleted because they are repetitive garbage. If you have something to say, fine, say it once and then move on. Don't spam it.

I am not spamming it.  Every time I post it on any thread on BCT, it gets deleted, so I have to post it somewhere else.

Let me ask you this: If we looked could we find someplace where you originally posted it and it hasn't gotten deleted?

If that is the case, then it isn't being surprised, you are just being stopped from spamming it.

The fact it got deleted 15 times, I know it is information certain people want to hide.

No that doesn't follow. If it got deleted 15 times that means you posted it (at least) 15 times, so it may be getting deleted not because someone wants to hide it, but because you are spamming it.

If we looked could we find someplace where you originally posted it and it hasn't gotten deleted?

No, the original post was deleted first https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138380.msg12013449#msg12013449

Then I post it on the Monero thread where it's deleted instantly https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg12018776#msg12018776

After I post it on the Monero Technical Discussion thread, it's deleted. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139756.msg12019119#msg12019119

I repost several times with explanation that is is on-topic, but it's deleted instantly every time.  Smooth, you know because you threaten I will be banned from BCT for posting without permission, and you order GingerAle to delete my post.  You have deleted those messages to, but I took a screenshot of the last one:

https://i.imgur.com/oOb9zpG.png

So at that point the information is being completely hidden from BCT users (I think you know why)

I also try to post it on my oriinal thread about how FluffyPony deleted my question where is the updated wallet download link on Reddit : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139306.0, then FluffyPony flood the thread with pages of garbage text: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139306.40 and big messages, I ask him to just respond to the information but he continue to drown the thread with spam, then my post are deleted anyway (from my own thread).

So last, here is this thread, the post has been deleted everywhere else.

I am in touch with the moderators to say not to delete this thread. I think it is important to explain this happened because Smooth and FluffyPony make a lot of effort to try to hide this information and I don't know how they manage to wipe clean this information everytime it is posted.

[smooth]

If we looked could we find someplace where you originally posted it and it hasn't gotten deleted?

No, the original post was deleted first https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138380.msg12013449#msg12013449

Well I don't support that but if the original place you post it was off topic or the post violated the rules in some other manner maybe that's why it got deleted. It is also possible that if you spammed it all over the place they just deleted all of them instead of wanting to figure out where it belonged (reasonably).

The idea that Monero has some influence over the forum mods is laughable conspiracy-theory/paranoia though.

Frankly whatever valid points you may have to make, your behavior in spamming and reposting the same shit over and over again has looked terrible to me, so I don't blame the mods for coming down on you.

Present your ideas in a more responsible manner and they may get more attention and/or visibility.

[dukey8]

If we looked could we find someplace where you originally posted it and it hasn't gotten deleted?

No, the original post was deleted first https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138380.msg12013449#msg12013449

Well I don't support that but if the original place you post it was off topic or the post violated the rules in some other manner maybe that's why it got deleted. It is also possible that if you spammed it all over the place they just deleted all of them instead of wanting to figure out where it belonged (reasonably).

The idea that Monero has some influence over the forum mods is laughable conspiracy-theory/paranoia though.

Frankly whatever valid points you may have to make, your behavior in spamming and reposting the same shit over and over again has looked terrible to me, so I don't blame the mods for coming down on you.

Present your ideas in a more responsible manner and they may get more attention and/or visibility.

I think you didn't read my post, the original post was on the thread "Why is Monero ignored by the public even though it has the best tech out there?".  

Obviusly, you didn't finish anything for 9 month, so when I point that out, it's on-topic.

If you trying to say I was spamming, that was not your objection when you reply on each of those threads lol.  It was more like, it was offtopic, and I should be banned  

It's quite obvious to me, Monero community is very active with the report button.  What happens then I guess the mods delete it.  mprep said he is trying to find out who deleted it, so we will know.

Of course, the real issue is, if you ever address what I show instead of delete the information, none of this would happen.  

[smooth]

Obviusly, you didn't finish anything for 9 month, so when I point that out, it's on-topic.

Okay, is that all you have to say? Anyone can see when releases were made, and review the more-recent work in github.com.

Why does that require a huge number of posts on multiple threads?