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August 01, 2015, 12:24:38 AM
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Intel and Micron unveil 3D Xpoint™ technology and create the first new memory category in more than 25 years.

http://newsroom.intel.com/docs/DOC-6713

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August 01, 2015, 12:27:07 AM
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I don't really think it will replace ASIC's... ASIC' makers will probably just absorb this tech as much as they can, if it gives an advantage to their chips!
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August 01, 2015, 12:35:29 AM
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I don't really think it will replace ASIC's... ASIC' makers will probably just absorb this tech as much as they can, if it gives an advantage to their chips!

XPoint isn't an asic technology for mining. It's a bulk storage technology, and it's not useful for an asic OR a cpu miner, beyond a memory device to store settings and firmware (a task tangential to mining).

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August 01, 2015, 12:39:15 AM
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Intel and Micron unveil 3D Xpoint™ technology and create the first new memory category in more than 25 years.

http://newsroom.intel.com/docs/DOC-6713



Nooopee. Not many algo make use of memory. Not much else to say.

Stacking memory sectors in 3D has been talked about for a while now.

It's going to be cool for gaming rigs and some very few memory intense applications, however.

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August 01, 2015, 12:46:22 AM
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Nooopee. Not many algo make use of memory. Not much else to say.

Stacking memory sectors in 3D has been talked about for a while now.

It's going to be cool for gaming rigs and some very few memory intense applications, however.

As far as I know, xPoint is currently only applicable to non volatile mass storage as an extension of NAND flash.

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August 01, 2015, 12:46:32 AM
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No, this is a really cool new technology. Unfortunately, it will not help us whatsoever with cryptos, or crypto mining. It might help with the lag some wallets encounter from having 10's of thousands of transactions, but I am not sure of this.
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August 01, 2015, 12:58:35 AM
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Nooopee. Not many algo make use of memory. Not much else to say.

Stacking memory sectors in 3D has been talked about for a while now.

It's going to be cool for gaming rigs and some very few memory intense applications, however.

As far as I know, xPoint is currently only applicable to non volatile mass storage as an extension of NAND flash.

Ahh, but both technology are years away and i doubt 3D stacking ram and ssd are 2 completely different concept that just happened to appear at the same time.

The article also mention effect on DRAM and end with "keep your SSD and RAM for now".

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August 01, 2015, 01:01:38 AM
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I hope it would make it easier for everyone to run their own high-performance full node. At the very least re-indexing the blockchain after an unexpected system shutdown should no longer take 3 days.
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August 01, 2015, 11:18:27 AM
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I hope it would make it easier for everyone to run their own high-performance full node. At the very least re-indexing the blockchain after an unexpected system shutdown should no longer take 3 days.

So, we are going to get more stable block explorers ?

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August 01, 2015, 11:29:36 AM
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I don't really think it will replace ASIC's... ASIC' makers will probably just absorb this tech as much as they can, if it gives an advantage to their chips!

XPoint isn't an asic technology for mining. It's a bulk storage technology, and it's not useful for an asic OR a cpu miner, beyond a memory device to store settings and firmware (a task tangential to mining).

I thought this had something to do with RAM, excuse me for my confusion.
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August 01, 2015, 12:09:05 PM
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if i understood corretly this technology improves storage right? if i'm right, it would be good to use this in conjuction with coins that need storage to be mined, like bustcoin or anything else in the future



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August 01, 2015, 12:15:52 PM
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I doubt it will replace them but one thing I do hope is that mining becomes affordable for many again at some pint though I can't really see this happening sadly.
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August 01, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
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if i understood corretly this technology improves storage right? if i'm right, it would be good to use this in conjuction with coins that need storage to be mined, like bustcoin or anything else in the future

Yes, that's well thought. Being a storage tech, it can probably make BURST mining better somehow...
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August 01, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
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August 01, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
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if i understood corretly this technology improves storage right? if i'm right, it would be good to use this in conjuction with coins that need storage to be mined, like bustcoin or anything else in the future
It is supposed to improve both storage and current memory offerings. Basically 3D XPoint is memory that is fast, inexpensive (we've yet to see what this means) and non-volatile.
I actually think that this should be discussed in the off-topic section. This isn't just another upgrade to the existing things such as DDR3-DDR4. It is fundamentally different from what is available today. Both companies implied on multiple occasions that this will lead to new types of computing experiences.

However, this doesn't mean anything for consumers now (I'm expecting consumer friendly devices in 2017) nor for Bitcoin mining. I do not see how this would benefit ASICs, nor how could this be used to replace them.


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August 01, 2015, 02:35:08 PM
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However, this doesn't mean anything for consumers now (I'm expecting consumer friendly devices in 2017) nor for Bitcoin mining. I do not see how this would benefit ASICs, nor how could this be used to replace them.
In my understanding, this technology wont affect mining directly. But, this would nodes to be much more stable than it is today, because this would bring in much faster and improvised RAM.

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August 02, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
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August 02, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
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Intel and Micron unveil 3D Xpoint™ technology and create the first new memory category in more than 25 years.

http://newsroom.intel.com/docs/DOC-6713


I'm aware of this tech since my days at Intel. Not relevant to Bitcoin mining.

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August 02, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
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This is irrelevant to mining. It's purpose is storage, not RAM. That said, I want this tech in my PC and laptop!
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August 02, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
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Good coverage here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9470/intel-and-micron-announce-3d-xpoint-nonvolatile-memory-technology-1000x-higher-performance-endurance-than-nand

The debate in the comments whether it's PCMS is even more interesting.

The tech has the potential of changing decades old CPU-memory-storage architecture.
The "RAM" will be persistent and the DRAM will be another cache layer above the persistent "RAM". To realize the full potential of the tech, the CPUs and OSes will need to be changed.

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